At Least 21 Killed at V. Tech

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[quote]david dunne wrote:
PGA wrote:
I didn’t know when someone is murdered on campus you just continue on like nothing happened.

I’m sorry, if someone is murdered on my campus I want to know immediately, not two fucking hours later.

These idiots in charge left the entire campus vulnerable to what happened. “We thought it was an isolated incident.” Who gives a flying fuck! SOMEONE WAS MURDERED ON CAMPUS! If I knew or heard of someone being killed on campus and no suspect was in custody I’M FUCKING GONE. It’s truly sad that the scumbag mother fuckers in charge, whoever the fuck it was, decided to keep a MURDER quite when no suspect was in custody. Bullshit to the “Email was the best way” line they gave the media. Hit the fucking fire alarms, get everyone outside and make the announcement that classes are canceled, ya know because someone was just MURDERED! If they “thought” the killer had “fled” then there would be no reason to fear sending the kids back to their dorms.

There was a complete breakdown in the protection and safety of the public and innocent people paid for it with their lives. Fucking assholes!!! I hope they, the idiots who tried to keep it hush hush, rot in fucking hell along with the cocksucker scumbag mother fucking killer.

It’s a campus that covers 2,600 acres and has 25,000 students and faculty and another maybe 3,000 to 5,000 visitors on campus at any given time.

Your well informed opinion is the police should have “hit the fire alarms,get everyone outside and make the announcement that classes are cancelled”???

Because a murder took place somewhere on that 2,600 acres? You think 25,000 - 30,000 people should be standing around somewhere discussing how cool it is to have class/work cancelled because a murder took place somewhere on campus?

The residents of the dorm where the shooting took place WERE informed immediately because the police went door to door there. Standard stuff.

Somehow the police should lock down 2,600 acres? How the fuck would someone do that? Please share.

If you live in a small town with 25,000 people and a murder occurrs in your town - should the police evacuate or lockdown the town immediately?

How about just a little realism before you start screaming about how “they” fucked up this or that?

In the real world - how would they IMMEDIATELY notify 26,000 students that a murder occurred somewhere on campus? Remember, the shooting might have taken place at 7:15 but that doesn’t mean the cops have any idea what they have by 7:30 ok? Or maybe you would feel better served if an email went out within 5 minutes of a crime occurring? Who would send that un-informed email? What exactly would it say?

Maybe a phone call to all 26,000 students dorm rooms? Forget that there is no “instant notification” capability for that - what would the call say? That there has been some kind of something somewhere on campus and it might be that someone got shot?

Your response is pretty short on reasoning and heavy on hysterical screetching. I have noticed several past posts from you that are anti police - and that’s fine, but please…hysterically screaming about a “complete breakdown in the protection and safety of the public”?

You clearly don’t have a clue.

It’s a tragedy. It’s insane. It’s tough to comprehend. My heart goes out to all the victims and their families.

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Good post. The media second guessing is out of control. The talk of locking down the campus immediately is silly.

VT would have to be a police state campus in order to respond as quickly as the fools on TV have been braying about.

It is the bastards fault not the schools, not the gun laws, not the cops, not society.

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[quote]AdamC wrote:
steadfastred wrote:
Its a shame that students and faculty are barred from pleading the 2nd on colleges in Virginia. The death toll could have been much lower, still a tragedy; we know now how many can die when people are prevented self defense:

32 innocent lives…

…And one room temperature wack-job who killed himself at the end.

Maybe I don’t get it because i’m British, but that point of view seems wacky to me.

Isn’t the fact that guns are so poorly controlled the reason some wacko can walk in to a school and fire a weapon and kill so many poor people?

Rather than arming everyone to the teeth shouldn’t you be trying to stop people getting hold of weapons so easily. Maybe it’s too late for that, i don’t know.

All i know is, I wouldn’t know where to get a gun and I have absolutely no fear of anyone pulling a gun on me.[/quote]

want a gun ask a criminal . Just like Mexico . Criminals and Cops have guns . You don’t want to mess with either

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[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
What is wrong with people that our immediate thoughts are “who is to blame?”, especially considering the ACTUAL KILLER is dead. Well now that he’s dead someone has to have done something wrong right? If we can’t yell at the killer let’s blame the cops, no wait it’s the university president. No wait…

It’s never enough to just say he went wacko for no reason, and everyone did as much as they could. It’s not fair to the people involved for us to use the benefit of hindsight. It never has been fair, and it never will be.

Think about this for a minute- What is the exact procedure YOU are to follow when two people are murdered? Can you answer that? What would you do? Chances are someone would tell you it was wrong if it benefits their argument.[/quote]

Agreed. It’s too early to know very much of anything. I’m willing to give the officials the benefit of the doubt until we do. It’s easy to live in a world of would have, could have, should have, if only, when I’m not the one who was in the position to spontaeously handle this.

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[quote]david dunne wrote:

And there is the obligatory “it’s all a cop conspiracy” post from x…[/quote]

Dumbass. If you needed it spelled out for you, simply ask. I was blaming THE SCHOOL for trying to play down a murder, not cops. How about reading what was written in the future instead of “reading into it”.

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[quote]obatiger11 wrote:
I am losing faith in the goodness of mankind. Why would someone commit such an awful act? Maybe their should be a law that if you kill someone, you and both your parents will be executed. And if you don’t have parents, then your next two closest relatives will be executed. EXTREME-HELL YES!!! But if you are plotting to kill someone, then it may cause you to think twice about committing your own family to a death sentence. [/quote]

I hope your kidding

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I agree that guns dont kill people, and video games certainly dont kill people. Whats the answer when violent video games and guns get into the psychotic 1% of the population?

Shit, I want to play GTA4. I love the senseless violence. I dont want to kill real though.

Soon the schools in the US will be like the airports there. Ultra paranoid. I think the best situation would be for everyone to have a gun holstered and visable and compulsory training before you can buy bullets.

Either that or no guns at all.

Soon the kids will be wearing vests to class.

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How can they blame computer games. Like using a mouse and keyboard is preparing a human being to run around and shoot actual weapons.

Lets ban Flight Simulator so no more buildings get hit. Lets ban driving sims so I cant practice out running the cops from my bank job.

What about paintball and lazer shooting. Thats way more realistic, but still noting to do with the cause.

Fuck, ban everything that could possible kill or aid in killing. Ban butter knives because knives are bad. Ban shoes because all the school shooting killers had shoes on. Bah!

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[quote]Jetric9 wrote:
I just finished reading a play that was written by the shooter:

I can now understand why he was labeled as a troubled person.

jet[/quote]

A fine piece of literature.

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[quote]meat1wad wrote:
Anywhere in the world, if a person wants a gun they can get one. That wont change.
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I take your point, but it’s also a cop out and an exaggeration -

Well…what IS normal [/chuckles] sorry, couldn’t resist.

Seriously, though, the differentiation is very important; especially from a legal standpoint. Even psychiactric hospitals don’t have the power to hold certain people unless there is a court order for incarceration on the basis that if a person is judged - under specific parameters - to be a danger to society.

My understanding, from what I’ve read, is that most personality disorders don’t constitute enough of a reason for someone to be committed

…As for not letting lunatics into Headhunter’s country; well, as long as you promise to keep all your homegrown ones there, then I guess that’s OK…

But, of course, every lunatic wants to come to the US - especially the 9 y.o. Koreans.

So much for the presumption of innocence.

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[quote]obatiger11 wrote:
archiewhittaker wrote:
obatiger11 wrote:
archiewhittaker wrote:
obatiger11 wrote:

violent pleasantries

Do you know what impulsive means? Did you understand my post? I didn’t understand yours. What about color-TV??

Yes, I know what impulsive means, but I am not the type of impulsive person who would kill someone. Then read it again.

Why did you bring up Manson like he was the source for the shootings? Manson knew what he was doing, he took drugs and consciously altered his mind-state to be able to kill, the VA kid did probably not. Which one of them deserve the kind of senseless torture you described?

Both of them deserve a slow and painful death. Why do you seem so contempt on defend murderers? That is the problem with out legal system now.
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Either you had some bad experiences with our legal system, or you like to whine. It’s not about defending murderers, it’s about not sinking to the level of “eye for an eye”. Let them be punished. And by the way, most of our taxes go to building infrastructure, not prisons.

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It’s kind of sad that any tragedy gets used and abused to help a special interest group.

While I vehemently support looser gun laws, I fully support Virginia Techs right to deny firearms on their campus. It is not legally required to go to a college. You’re allowed to waive most of your constitutional rights if you so decide. Private businesses should be allowed to decide what their clients can and cannot do. *I don’t know what the penalty is for carrying a firearm on campus when not a student, but I don’t think it should be anymore than trespassing.

While it’s a terrible thing that happened it’s odd how 30 US kids gets this reaction, but a mass killing in africa, asia, or eastern europe doesn’t get to much attention.
“The death of one is a tragedy. The death of a million is just a statistic.”

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[quote]Taquito wrote:
While it’s a terrible thing that happened it’s odd how 30 US kids gets this reaction, but a mass killing in africa, asia, or eastern europe doesn’t get to much attention.
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Why do you think it’s odd that 30 American students being killed at an American state university is getting more media attention in America than non-Americans getting killed in non-American nations?

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I think its getting so much attention because it is the worst single gun shooting in america, so it makes sense to be on the news so much.

I don’t know what changes will come of this, and I doubt that the people of VT are looking for any. Right now they want to get their sadness out and move on.

I wish I had more to contribute to this discussion but I guess I am still in shock over it, and over the loss of a good friend.

RIP Maxine Turner

To all the Hookies on this site, I pray for you and hope you heal quickly from this horrible event.

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It amazes me how much perspective matters in one’s interpretation of events.

In this instance 32 people were killed by a single individual. He was from South Korea and had been cited by a faculty member to receive counseling.

However, this turns into a debate about:

Immigration

race

Gun control

The “authority’s” response to the situation

etc, etc.

Not really trying to imply anything one way or the other, I just found the explosion of topics pretty interesting in and of itself.

One person questions if the person was here legally, another whether or not we need stronger gun control, and another points out some muslim legislator who was just elected by some goshdarn muslims. T-Nation again manages to cover all bases in its response to an issue.

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[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
Taquito wrote:
While it’s a terrible thing that happened it’s odd how 30 US kids gets this reaction, but a mass killing in africa, asia, or eastern europe doesn’t get to much attention.

Why do you think it’s odd that 30 American students being killed at an American state university is getting more media attention in America than non-Americans getting killed in non-American nations?[/quote]

Because the news is pure entertainment. Nothing to do with informing the people about whats happening in the world.

People who own the TV’s are the target audience. Africa just doesnt sell as well as High School.

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Why don’t we feel sorry for the kids/adults who feel SO BAD that they feel its their last option to go on a rampage in their school and then suicide…

WHY ARE WE NOT FEELING SORRY FOR THEM? THE 23 YEAR OLD HAD A LIFE TOO. UNFORTUNATELY, HE LIKE MANY OTHERS FEEL NEGLECTED AND DAILY FEEL THE PAIN THAT THE FAMILIES OF THOSE WHO DIED ARE NOW FEELING.

LET US NOT FORGET ABOUT THE SOURCE. PREVENTION IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN TREATMENT.

you guys are so shallow. you get fed images of the media showing solacing families and crying students. you idiots have already addressed that media is responsible for what we see and it influences us in so many ways, but none of you can think past it and see what side they are not showing.

A T-Nation quote a few days ago:
“be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle” - Plato

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in my anger i misread. my mistake.

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[quote]slimjim wrote:
It amazes me how much perspective matters in one’s interpretation of events.

In this instance 32 people were killed by a single individual. He was from South Korea and had been cited by a faculty member to receive counseling.

However, this turns into a debate about:

Immigration

race

Gun control

The “authority’s” response to the situation

etc, etc.

Not really trying to imply anything one way or the other, I just found the explosion of topics pretty interesting in and of itself.

One person questions if the person was here legally, another whether or not we need stronger gun control, and another points out some muslim legislator who was just elected by some goshdarn muslims. T-Nation again manages to cover all bases in its response to an issue.
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I still don’t understand the relation some were making to illegal immigrants. What fucking difference would this incident make if he was illegally here? How does that topic fit in with the shooting AT ALL?

This guy was obviously a little off. His teachers were so skeptical of his behavior that he was sent for counseling. His roommate states that he hardly ever spoke and that he would often walk in on him sitting at his own desk (the desk of the roommate) just staring at an empty table with nothing in front of him. He had no friends and one incident by one of his classmates involved a situation where during the first day of class, the professor went around the room asking everyone their name and where they were from and he wouldn’t say a word when it came to his turn. The professor looks at the roll sheet and he had signed a question mark where his name should go. When asked by the professor, “is your name ‘question mark’”, he remained silent. I guess people were just waiting for him to finally snap.

The largest topic of discussion should actually be what leads to this and how can warning signs be evident to enough people to prevent it from happening again.

Being quiet and a loner should NOT be the defining characteristic. That would lead to skapegoating and harassment of any student who keeps to themselves at all. What should have stood out, however, was his writing and his actions in class. More people should have been aware that something was off.

The rest of the problem is the lack of communication on that campus (and all campuses for that matter) when a tragedy occurs. Hopefully, this will lead to changes nationwide.

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[quote]Contach wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
Taquito wrote:
While it’s a terrible thing that happened it’s odd how 30 US kids gets this reaction, but a mass killing in africa, asia, or eastern europe doesn’t get to much attention.

Why do you think it’s odd that 30 American students being killed at an American state university is getting more media attention in America than non-Americans getting killed in non-American nations?

those people signed away their fucking soles by joining the military. its just that simple.[/quote]

What the fuck are you talking about?

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[quote]AdamC wrote:
JD430 wrote:

All I can say is try to be safe. If you are fortunate to live in a state that allows you to carry a firearm and you can handle the responsibility, please do so.
You may save many lives one day. Stay in shape. Be vigilant. Think about violent incidents like this from time to time and try to resolve yourself to acting if you are ever thrust in the middle of one.

There is nothing more that any of us can do.

Good post [/quote]

WTF is this? “Be Vigilant.” is your advice? Fight fire with fire? Some random person has a gun and holds within himself the possibility of shooting another and this gives you justification to be able to carry a gun? So now if everyone around you is carrying a gun, does this give you justification to carry a bazooka? Because, you know, what happens when 2 of them possibly turn on the world and start firing: one gun will not help you…

You’re right. "There is nothing more that any (ONE) of us can do. " But, there are plenty of things that collectively, you people as citizens of the U.S.A. CAN do. Passive attitudes and increasing violence will not do anything, but social movements will: if not for you, atleast god will have mercy on your children.