Asking a Girl Out

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[quote]orion wrote:

No, I am not lonely.

That, I learned from women.

If you are alone for long enough, it either breaks you or you get used to it.

Actually I prefer solitude, if you would define that as the absence of a “significant other”, I am not a hermit.

When I was sick and broke they wanted nothing to do with me, when I was well again they did, when I slipped again they no longer did and so further and so on…

So, its all conditional, is it?

I am a utility, am I?

Well then, if I am to be your rock, you are to be the light of my life.

I am not to show weakness or desperation (btw AC is right, never, ever show that), if I am to be strong and decisive in the face of adversity, if I am to be unfaced by your emotional turmoil, you better bring something to the table. *

And, whining, bitching and nagging are not female virtues.

Warmth, support and a certain emotional generosity in and out of the bedroom would be.

  • more than a vajay- every woman has that.

Hamsters have that.

At least female ones.[/quote]

So orion: are sick, broke women on your short list of desirable long term partners? Just wondering.

Also, it’s bullshit that you can’t show weakness or desperation. I’ve seen both in the two years I’ve been involved with my current guy and far from ruining things, these elements (displayed by each of us in turn) have deepened it. Attraction was easy. Sexual chemistry was easy. Liking one another was easy. We’re both healthy, relatively good natured, fun people. The hard part was (and still is) negotiating things like exclusivity, blending our wacky families, determining whether we as a couple are going to be able to negotiate practical differences (will he want to go back to his home state? will I be willing to follow?). We’ve been weak and desperate because we like one another so much, it’s terrifying. So we did things to keep ourselves safe (game?) and then got all freaked out when the other couldn’t cope with the perceived rejection and pulled back.

You’ve been given bad info about so many things.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
It’s so obvious but I’m going to say it anyways.

Whenever asking for advice, it makes sense to listen to those who have had success in what you’re trying to achieve. So if you’re looking to build a serious relationship, seek out advice from those who have had success in that arena.

[/quote]

So far, I think he is trying to get to know her and, if she is not unsufferable, to do the nasty with her.

Sooooo, who should he listen to?

Your whole setup feminizes man.

No, it is his job to get her into the bedroom, it is hers to get him into a relationship.

I am all for socially handicapping yourself, if done the right way (Misterys furry, furry, hat), but if you start wanting a relationship with a specific girl, have little dreams of what your grandchildren will look like and what not, 9 times out of 10 you will be punished mercylessly. [/quote]

So you are lonely aren’t you Orion? I have been happily married for almost 14 years, and have loved every high and low during that time. Would not trade having a good marriage with any single guy EVER.[/quote]

No, I am not lonely.

That, I learned from women.

If you are alone for long enough, it either breaks you or you get used to it.

Actually I prefer solitude, if you would define that as the absence of a “significant other”, I am not a hermit.

When I was sick and broke they wanted nothing to do with me, when I was well again they did, when I slipped again they no longer did and so further and so on…

So, its all conditional, is it?

I am a utility, am I?

Well then, if I am to be your rock, you are to be the light of my life.

I am not to show weakness or desperation (btw AC is right, never, ever show that), if I am to be strong and decisive in the face of adversity, if I am to be unfaced by your emotional turmoil, you better bring something to the table. *

And, whining, bitching and nagging are not female virtues.

Warmth, support and a certain emotional generosity in and out of the bedroom would be.

  • more than a vajay- every woman has that.

Hamsters have that.

At least female ones.[/quote]

you sound like an ignorant teenager with this stuff.

have you ever had a long term successful relationship?

“i am not to show weakness” i feel sorry for you if you genuinely hold these kind of views and are not trolling.

you must have been badly burned.

have you ever had a happy long term relationship?

if all you know is manipulating damaged women so they will suck your cock you are missing out on life and that is sad.

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Orion, you are so full of shit it’s bubbling out of your mouth. If you’re such the smooth operator when it comes to the women, then what the fuck are you doing on this site? Where do you find the time for your conquests?

Because even a cursory glance at the time stamps of your posts reveals that you spend each and every night in Austria, typically from late afternoon-early evening to just before the break of dawn, pontificating about your egregiously falsified abilities to woo women into the sack with you.

Seven days a week you are on here ranting and raving away like an infantile lunatic at all hours of the evening in Austria and we’re supposed to believe that you have all this success with the fairer sex? Yeah, right. Unless you sleep all morning and cram in some good tail chasing between noon and one, it seems to me that you spend all the prime hunting hours pounding away at your keyboard and not some vajayjay. Get a fucking life, Orion. You’re nothing more than a less-vulgar version of DarkNinja.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Because even a cursory glance at the time stamps of your posts reveals that you spend each and every night in Austria, typically from late afternoon-early evening to just before the break of dawn, pontificating about your egregiously falsified abilities to woo women into the sack with you.

Seven days a week you are on here ranting and raving away like an infantile lunatic at all hours of the evening in Austria and we’re supposed to believe that you have all this success with the fairer sex? Yeah, right. Unless you sleep all morning and cram in some good tail chasing between noon and one, it seems to me that you spend all the prime hunting hours pounding away at your keyboard and not some vajayjay. Get a fucking life, Orion.[/quote]

this is so fucking funny

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[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
It’s so obvious but I’m going to say it anyways.

Whenever asking for advice, it makes sense to listen to those who have had success in what you’re trying to achieve. So if you’re looking to build a serious relationship, seek out advice from those who have had success in that arena.

[/quote]

So far, I think he is trying to get to know her and, if she is not unsufferable, to do the nasty with her.

Sooooo, who should he listen to?

Your whole setup feminizes man.

No, it is his job to get her into the bedroom, it is hers to get him into a relationship.

I am all for socially handicapping yourself, if done the right way (Misterys furry, furry, hat), but if you start wanting a relationship with a specific girl, have little dreams of what your grandchildren will look like and what not, 9 times out of 10 you will be punished mercylessly. [/quote]

So you are lonely aren’t you Orion? I have been happily married for almost 14 years, and have loved every high and low during that time. Would not trade having a good marriage with any single guy EVER.[/quote]

No, I am not lonely.

That, I learned from women.

If you are alone for long enough, it either breaks you or you get used to it.

Actually I prefer solitude, if you would define that as the absence of a “significant other”, I am not a hermit.

When I was sick and broke they wanted nothing to do with me, when I was well again they did, when I slipped again they no longer did and so further and so on…

So, its all conditional, is it?

I am a utility, am I?

Well then, if I am to be your rock, you are to be the light of my life.

I am not to show weakness or desperation (btw AC is right, never, ever show that), if I am to be strong and decisive in the face of adversity, if I am to be unfaced by your emotional turmoil, you better bring something to the table. *

And, whining, bitching and nagging are not female virtues.

Warmth, support and a certain emotional generosity in and out of the bedroom would be.

  • more than a vajay- every woman has that.

Hamsters have that.

At least female ones.[/quote]

Even after all what you posted Orion, people still will just say “Thats just an excuse.”
[/quote]

Oh noez!!!

Would I be judged?

Fortunately I am almost 100% immune to that.

Usually men dont give a shit and woman can whine and shame all they want, off to the 26 year old waitress I go.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Orion, you are so full of shit it’s bubbling out of your mouth. If you’re such the smooth operator when it comes to the women, then what the fuck are you doing on this site? Where do you find the time for your conquests?

Because even a cursory glance at the time stamps of your posts reveals that you spend each and every night in Austria, typically from late afternoon-early evening to just before the break of dawn, pontificating about your egregiously falsified abilities to woo women into the sack with you.

Seven days a week you are on here ranting and raving away like an infantile lunatic at all hours of the evening in Austria and we’re supposed to believe that you have all this success with the fairer sex? Yeah, right. Unless you sleep all morning and cram in some good tail chasing between noon and one, it seems to me that you spend all the prime hunting hours pounding away at your keyboard and not some vajayjay. Get a fucking life, Orion. You’re nothing more than a less-vulgar version of DarkNinja.[/quote]

Not 7 days a week, and what my time stamps show is that I am at my computer, working.

And I am booooored.

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
So, its all conditional, is it?[/quote]

The question isn’t whether or not all human relationships are conditional (well, the mother/child dynamic might not be), it’s where that line of unacceptability happens to be.

If women wanted to be with you when you were well but hit the road when you “slipped”, all that speaks to is the women you happened to associate yourself with. They dumped you when you went broke just like you would’ve dumped them if they got fat or had a 30-dog train run on them while you were posting your PUA dissertation on the internet. It’s simply the byproduct of the conditional nature of your relationship; find higher quality people (at least, those whose conditions dovetail with your own seem to be – e.g., those who place a higher value on loyalty than on what car you pick them up in) and see what happens.

I wouldn’t want to be with someone who loves me “unconditionally” because I feel that it shows a lack of self-respect, critical thinking and emotional maturity. I don’t love without any conditions because I am not a sucker looking to get taken advantage of.[/quote]

That is an intelligent post and I think that I agree to a large degree.

Where I disagree would be that I would leave anyone if they became sick or broke due to circumstances beyond their control .

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[quote]yolo84 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:
It’s so obvious but I’m going to say it anyways.

Whenever asking for advice, it makes sense to listen to those who have had success in what you’re trying to achieve. So if you’re looking to build a serious relationship, seek out advice from those who have had success in that arena.

[/quote]

So far, I think he is trying to get to know her and, if she is not unsufferable, to do the nasty with her.

Sooooo, who should he listen to?

Your whole setup feminizes man.

No, it is his job to get her into the bedroom, it is hers to get him into a relationship.

I am all for socially handicapping yourself, if done the right way (Misterys furry, furry, hat), but if you start wanting a relationship with a specific girl, have little dreams of what your grandchildren will look like and what not, 9 times out of 10 you will be punished mercylessly. [/quote]

So you are lonely aren’t you Orion? I have been happily married for almost 14 years, and have loved every high and low during that time. Would not trade having a good marriage with any single guy EVER.[/quote]

No, I am not lonely.

That, I learned from women.

If you are alone for long enough, it either breaks you or you get used to it.

Actually I prefer solitude, if you would define that as the absence of a “significant other”, I am not a hermit.

When I was sick and broke they wanted nothing to do with me, when I was well again they did, when I slipped again they no longer did and so further and so on…

So, its all conditional, is it?

I am a utility, am I?

Well then, if I am to be your rock, you are to be the light of my life.

I am not to show weakness or desperation (btw AC is right, never, ever show that), if I am to be strong and decisive in the face of adversity, if I am to be unfaced by your emotional turmoil, you better bring something to the table. *

And, whining, bitching and nagging are not female virtues.

Warmth, support and a certain emotional generosity in and out of the bedroom would be.

  • more than a vajay- every woman has that.

Hamsters have that.

At least female ones.[/quote]

you sound like an ignorant teenager with this stuff.

have you ever had a long term successful relationship?

“i am not to show weakness” i feel sorry for you if you genuinely hold these kind of views and are not trolling.

you must have been badly burned.

have you ever had a happy long term relationship?

if all you know is manipulating damaged women so they will suck your cock you are missing out on life and that is sad.
[/quote]

This makes me tired.

You are how old?

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

No, I am not lonely.

That, I learned from women.

If you are alone for long enough, it either breaks you or you get used to it.

Actually I prefer solitude, if you would define that as the absence of a “significant other”, I am not a hermit.

When I was sick and broke they wanted nothing to do with me, when I was well again they did, when I slipped again they no longer did and so further and so on…

So, its all conditional, is it?

I am a utility, am I?

Well then, if I am to be your rock, you are to be the light of my life.

I am not to show weakness or desperation (btw AC is right, never, ever show that), if I am to be strong and decisive in the face of adversity, if I am to be unfaced by your emotional turmoil, you better bring something to the table. *

And, whining, bitching and nagging are not female virtues.

Warmth, support and a certain emotional generosity in and out of the bedroom would be.

  • more than a vajay- every woman has that.

Hamsters have that.

At least female ones.[/quote]

So orion: are sick, broke women on your short list of desirable long term partners? Just wondering.

Also, it’s bullshit that you can’t show weakness or desperation. I’ve seen both in the two years I’ve been involved with my current guy and far from ruining things, these elements (displayed by each of us in turn) have deepened it. Attraction was easy. Sexual chemistry was easy. Liking one another was easy. We’re both healthy, relatively good natured, fun people. The hard part was (and still is) negotiating things like exclusivity, blending our wacky families, determining whether we as a couple are going to be able to negotiate practical differences (will he want to go back to his home state? will I be willing to follow?). We’ve been weak and desperate because we like one another so much, it’s terrifying. So we did things to keep ourselves safe (game?) and then got all freaked out when the other couldn’t cope with the perceived rejection and pulled back.

You’ve been given bad info about so many things. [/quote]

Yes, but then I learned game.

Anyhow, no, I would not leave a woman if she suddenly lost her health and/or money because I do believe it should be about more than that.

Not get together with her, true, leave her when disaster strikes, false.

But, since this is how its played, its game, game, game all the way.

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orion - have you ever been in a worthwhile long term relationship?

you honestly sound like the kind of guy who beats up prostitutes and that kind of thing sorry but you do.

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And Emily, if a woman ages, it is perfectly ok to dump her, because she has become less attractive…

No?

Why not?

Does this only work in one direction?

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[quote]orion wrote:
And Emily, if a woman ages, it is perfectly ok to dump her, because she has become less attractive…

No?

Why not?

Does this only work in one direction?

[/quote]

No, it does not. Everyone has a responsibility to maintain health and physical/sexual appeal to the extent they are able. When I was a kid my father (who’d been dumped by my mother) commented that you could always tell when a woman at the office was getting a divorce, because all of a sudden she’d get a haircut, start losing weight, etc. He observed that maybe if they’d done that in the first place, there wouldn’t be a divorce, with which I wholeheartedly agree. It’s equally true of men as well. I see it as a basic truth for all people and couples.

I don’t buy into that it’s only women losing appeal. Dear God, have you seen some of the men out there? I think active, interesting, engaged people maintain appeal, both men and women alike.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Orion, you are so full of shit it’s bubbling out of your mouth. If you’re such the smooth operator when it comes to the women, then what the fuck are you doing on this site? Where do you find the time for your conquests?

Because even a cursory glance at the time stamps of your posts reveals that you spend each and every night in Austria, typically from late afternoon-early evening to just before the break of dawn, pontificating about your egregiously falsified abilities to woo women into the sack with you.

Seven days a week you are on here ranting and raving away like an infantile lunatic at all hours of the evening in Austria and we’re supposed to believe that you have all this success with the fairer sex? Yeah, right. Unless you sleep all morning and cram in some good tail chasing between noon and one, it seems to me that you spend all the prime hunting hours pounding away at your keyboard and not some vajayjay. Get a fucking life, Orion. You’re nothing more than a less-vulgar version of DarkNinja.[/quote]

Not 7 days a week, and what my time stamps show is that I am at my computer, working.

And I am booooored. [/quote]

Bullshit. You’re a misogynistic troll whose alarmingly regular rejection at the hands of Austrian women, both beautiful and ugly alike, has manifested itself into a hatred of the female form. This hatred borne of constant and aggressive rejection has, in turn, developed into part of your fictional Internet persona in which you transmute your sad self from someone who hates women because of the consistent rejection they rain down upon on you into someone who has conquered all of your most base inclinations toward fear and subjugation to the point where women are at your mercy and driven toward you by your overwhelming ubermensch self who is the living embodiment of Master Morality, when in fact you are the epitome of Slave Morality.

Congratulations. Your pitiful, pathetic attempts at manipulation have worked only on yourself, to the point where you have convinced yourself that you are not the uberdouche woman-repellent that you actually are.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
And Emily, if a woman ages, it is perfectly ok to dump her, because she has become less attractive…

No?

Why not?

Does this only work in one direction?

[/quote]

No, it does not. Everyone has a responsibility to maintain health and physical/sexual appeal to the extent they are able. When I was a kid my father (who’d been dumped by my mother) commented that you could always tell when a woman at the office was getting a divorce, because all of a sudden she’d get a haircut, start losing weight, etc. He observed that maybe if they’d done that in the first place, there wouldn’t be a divorce, with which I wholeheartedly agree. It’s equally true of men as well. I see it as a basic truth for all people and couples.

I don’t buy into that it’s only women losing appeal. Dear God, have you seen some of the men out there? I think active, interesting, engaged people maintain appeal, both men and women alike.

[/quote]

Yeah, but you would be wrong.

Not entirely, because there are women in their 40s, Lord help me, but what matters most in the SMV of a woman is a yout and beauty.

That is no a coincudence either, because her peak fertiliy is between 17-24, so youth and beauty are just fertility markers.

WHat I am saying is that women think a man to be a swine if he goes for younger, hotter, tighter, free, but they are doing the same thing while they can.

They just cant for very long, but those are not only womens but also mens formative years.

Look at it this way.

I had it said to my face that right now I might not do so well but if they were looking for a REAL relationship…

I honestly do believe that she meant it as a compliment, but I did not take it as such.

What she was really saying was that she would have her fun now, with men she does not consider to have serious potential, and I am to wait on the sidelines until she is ready to grace me with her well worn vagina, which I would have had to pay a hefty sum for, while she gave it away for a smile in her prime.

Emily, this is how its played now, and I dont wanna play.

Sure, I can fuck all this reformed skanks, but a real relationship?

How?

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[quote]orion wrote:
…
What she was really saying was that she would have her fun now, with men she does not consider to have serious potential, and I am to wait on the sidelines until she is ready to grace me with her well worn vagina, which I would have had to pay a hefty sum for, while she gave it away for a smile in her prime.

…

How?[/quote]

You have such a way with words HAHAHA that was fucking hilarious.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Orion, you are so full of shit it’s bubbling out of your mouth. If you’re such the smooth operator when it comes to the women, then what the fuck are you doing on this site? Where do you find the time for your conquests?

Because even a cursory glance at the time stamps of your posts reveals that you spend each and every night in Austria, typically from late afternoon-early evening to just before the break of dawn, pontificating about your egregiously falsified abilities to woo women into the sack with you.

Seven days a week you are on here ranting and raving away like an infantile lunatic at all hours of the evening in Austria and we’re supposed to believe that you have all this success with the fairer sex? Yeah, right. Unless you sleep all morning and cram in some good tail chasing between noon and one, it seems to me that you spend all the prime hunting hours pounding away at your keyboard and not some vajayjay. Get a fucking life, Orion. You’re nothing more than a less-vulgar version of DarkNinja.[/quote]

Not 7 days a week, and what my time stamps show is that I am at my computer, working.

And I am booooored. [/quote]

Bullshit. You’re a misogynistic troll whose alarmingly regular rejection at the hands of Austrian women, both beautiful and ugly alike, has manifested itself into a hatred of the female form. This hatred borne of constant and aggressive rejection has, in turn, developed into part of your fictional Internet persona in which you transmute your sad self from someone who hates women because of the consistent rejection they rain down upon on you into someone who has conquered all of your most base inclinations toward fear and subjugation to the point where women are at your mercy and driven toward you by your overwhelming ubermensch self who is the living embodiment of Master Morality, when in fact you are the epitome of Slave Morality.

Congratulations. Your pitiful, pathetic attempts at manipulation have worked only on yourself, to the point where you have convinced yourself that you are not the uberdouche woman-repellent that you actually are. [/quote]

Dude…

You are spending way to much time analyzing me, with very little to show for it…

Get out, go watch a movie or something.

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[quote]orion wrote:
I had it said to my face that right now I might not do so well but if they were looking for a REAL relationship…

I honestly do believe that she meant it as a compliment, but I did not take it as such.
[/quote]

how many times have you held a hunting knife to a woman’s throat?

(be honest)

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I want to see an “Orion, how do you train?” thread.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I want to see an “Orion, how do you train?” thread.[/quote]

Waterbury!!!

10x 3!!!

But nobody knows what I look like, so nobody cares.

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Better would be, “Orion, how do you eat”.

Because building muscle never was the problem, not getting fat was.