Asking a Girl Out

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Anonymity wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Anonymity wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]tnationer wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Hey, I wanna see, better do, XYZ, this Monday, Friday, whatsitsface…

Wanna join me?

Cool, I could pick you up at 1800 or we could meet there.

Rocket surgery, thats what it is. [/quote]

Well thats what I’m saying. We have talked very very briefly. Would it be weird to go up to her and be like forward and ask her out to dinner? [/quote]
No that is what adults do, straight forward honest.

Have yet to read the rest of the thread but I am sure some will say to treat her like shit and she will love you forever.[/quote]

x2.

You’re going to get a lot of shitty advice here from the PUA crowd about being some sort of “alpha” where girls have the privilege of just catching a whiff of your penis…that shit is for teenagers.

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No, that shit is real life and you characterization of it simply means that you have not understood a single thing.

If you think that humans, specifically females change their natures with time you are wrong.

Not quite, they do, after menopause, not after highschool. [/quote]

It’s for teenagers and the highly insecure.

Been down that road before.

Read all the books.

Got numbers galore.

Slept with a bunch of sluts.

Slept with several women out of my league.

It’s for kiddies - and by that I mean the highly insecure, misogynistic types who can’t deal with rejection and view women largely on a sexually objective basis.

I was there for several years.
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And you have learned nothing.

YOu have not been there and done that, you have been there and done it halfway.

Well, maybe that means that you have learned something.

I am not necessarily a PUA, because I suck at pick up.

I excel at affairs, but that is a whole other ballgame.

Meaning, I gotz game, but I am no PUA.

Be that as it may, you should know that this whole "treat em like a dick " only works on skanks.

Deeply, deeply, damaged skanks.[/quote]

The problem is, alot of women, and I mean ALOT of women, are damaged. Daddy issues, clingy, unstable, needy, insecure, there is almost a guaranteed chance you will run into one of these at any given time.

I am not going to go so far to call them skanks, but the number of healthy well-adjusted people in the world is pretty small.

My rule of thumb, I put in effort, but no more effort than she is putting in.

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Women can spot virgins a mile away. And if you are gonna stare her awkwardly for a few months “waiting for the moment” it’s not gonna work. Just ask her out on something casual and small, like wanna grab a smoothie after gym? So she is given space to escape and doesnt feel claustrophobic to be stuck with an unknown guy…

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Anonymity wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Anonymity wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]tnationer wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Hey, I wanna see, better do, XYZ, this Monday, Friday, whatsitsface…

Wanna join me?

Cool, I could pick you up at 1800 or we could meet there.

Rocket surgery, thats what it is. [/quote]

Well thats what I’m saying. We have talked very very briefly. Would it be weird to go up to her and be like forward and ask her out to dinner? [/quote]
No that is what adults do, straight forward honest.

Have yet to read the rest of the thread but I am sure some will say to treat her like shit and she will love you forever.[/quote]

x2.

You’re going to get a lot of shitty advice here from the PUA crowd about being some sort of “alpha” where girls have the privilege of just catching a whiff of your penis…that shit is for teenagers.

[/quote]

No, that shit is real life and you characterization of it simply means that you have not understood a single thing.

If you think that humans, specifically females change their natures with time you are wrong.

Not quite, they do, after menopause, not after highschool. [/quote]

It’s for teenagers and the highly insecure.

Been down that road before.

Read all the books.

Got numbers galore.

Slept with a bunch of sluts.

Slept with several women out of my league.

It’s for kiddies - and by that I mean the highly insecure, misogynistic types who can’t deal with rejection and view women largely on a sexually objective basis.

I was there for several years.
[/quote]

And you have learned nothing.

YOu have not been there and done that, you have been there and done it halfway.

Well, maybe that means that you have learned something.

I am not necessarily a PUA, because I suck at pick up.

I excel at affairs, but that is a whole other ballgame.

Meaning, I gotz game, but I am no PUA.

Be that as it may, you should know that this whole "treat em like a dick " only works on skanks.

Deeply, deeply, damaged skanks.[/quote]

The problem is, alot of women, and I mean ALOT of women, are damaged. Daddy issues, clingy, unstable, needy, insecure, there is almost a guaranteed chance you will run into one of these at any given time.

I am not going to go so far to call them skanks, but the number of healthy well-adjusted people in the world is pretty small.

My rule of thumb, I put in effort, but no more effort than she is putting in. [/quote]

I would phrase that “let her lead when it comes to committment”, but yeah it is probably the same.

The problem is that we cannot quantify dickery, when I say being a little bit of a dick will always be sexy for women they automatically assume unibrow neanderthal in a wife beater.

Those have their fanbase too, but that is not a case of NAWALT, that is a case of all women are like that, some just need it a little bit harder.

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I think it has nothing to do with being a dick and everything to do with having strong character. It’s very sexy to me when my boyfriend says a firm “no, I do not” when I ask him if he wants to [do whatever]. Not because he’s “calling me on my shit,” but because it is an indicator of clarity and assertiveness and both are sexy. Being a dick mimics in some ways having strength of character, in the same way that dressing provocatively is suggestive of strong sexuality. But we all know that many of the women flaunting their sexuality are going to shut down sexually as soon as they have their man trapped. It’s a shallow indicator of a desirable trait.

A woman capable of long term enthusiastic monogamous sex is probably not going to be perpetually trying to draw randoms. That behavior is suggestive of core weakness (neediness). A man with a strong and moral character is not going to regularly act like a dick. That, too, indicates weak character (fearful aggression).

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I love how all threads about girls turn into everyone arguing with orion

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[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I love how all threads about girls turn into everyone arguing with orion[/quote]
Are you a sadist?

How do you love that?

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I love how all threads about girls turn into everyone arguing with orion[/quote]
Are you a sadist?

How do you love that?[/quote]

I think from your perspective that would make him a masochist?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I love how all threads about girls turn into everyone arguing with orion[/quote]
Are you a sadist?

How do you love that?[/quote]

I think from your perspective that would make him a masochist?[/quote]

Meh

All this has just made GAL sad and stupid.

I miss the good old days when people kept their arguing to PWI

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I think it has nothing to do with being a dick and everything to do with having strong character. It’s very sexy to me when my boyfriend says a firm “no, I do not” when I ask him if he wants to [do whatever]. Not because he’s “calling me on my shit,” but because it is an indicator of clarity and assertiveness and both are sexy. Being a dick mimics in some ways having strength of character, in the same way that dressing provocatively is suggestive of strong sexuality. But we all know that many of the women flaunting their sexuality are going to shut down sexually as soon as they have their man trapped. It’s a shallow indicator of a desirable trait.

A woman capable of long term enthusiastic monogamous sex is probably not going to be perpetually trying to draw randoms. That behavior is suggestive of core weakness (neediness). A man with a strong and moral character is not going to regularly act like a dick. That, too, indicates weak character (fearful aggression).[/quote]

See, here we agree.

However, game is about mimicking, at least in the beginning.

If you can be a little bit of a dick to women though, a very important change has happened in the nice guy.

If he is nice now, it is because he wants to, not because he has to.

That shift is real and very important, having to be nice is supplicating, inferior, beta and her hypergamy will not stand for it, being nice because you do not have to but want to is generous, chivalrous and other kinds of -ouses that are seen in a positive light.

Two men can engage in the exact same behavior and it will be interpreted differently by her, depending on what she believes his frame is.

So, I would advice a few dick moves in the beginning, just so that she knows whats what.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I love how all threads about girls turn into everyone arguing with orion[/quote]
Are you a sadist?

How do you love that?[/quote]

I think from your perspective that would make him a masochist?[/quote]

Meh

All this has just made GAL sad and stupid.

I miss the good old days when people kept their arguing to PWI [/quote]

I think I have a different perspective on arguing than you do.

We all have our POVs, but having a POV necessarily means to have a giant blind spot.

What a discussion will do is expose it and thats a good thing.

Sure, some people have to drag it down to a rather ugly level, not everyone has class, but its good to know who those people are too.

All in all, only good things come from it.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I think it has nothing to do with being a dick and everything to do with having strong character. It’s very sexy to me when my boyfriend says a firm “no, I do not” when I ask him if he wants to [do whatever]. Not because he’s “calling me on my shit,” but because it is an indicator of clarity and assertiveness and both are sexy. Being a dick mimics in some ways having strength of character, in the same way that dressing provocatively is suggestive of strong sexuality. But we all know that many of the women flaunting their sexuality are going to shut down sexually as soon as they have their man trapped. It’s a shallow indicator of a desirable trait.

A woman capable of long term enthusiastic monogamous sex is probably not going to be perpetually trying to draw randoms. That behavior is suggestive of core weakness (neediness). A man with a strong and moral character is not going to regularly act like a dick. That, too, indicates weak character (fearful aggression).[/quote]

In fact, your comparison is awesome, because a lot of guys go full beta once they are in a relationship, because they think their work is done.

Thats like a hypersexual woman, that completely loses it once she is in a relationship.

Jajajaja, thats kind of the same.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I love how all threads about girls turn into everyone arguing with orion[/quote]
Are you a sadist?

How do you love that?[/quote]

I think from your perspective that would make him a masochist?[/quote]

Meh

All this has just made GAL sad and stupid.

I miss the good old days when people kept their arguing to PWI [/quote]

I was being ironic.

It sucks

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[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I love how all threads about girls turn into everyone arguing with orion[/quote]
Are you a sadist?

How do you love that?[/quote]

I think from your perspective that would make him a masochist?[/quote]

Meh

All this has just made GAL sad and stupid.

I miss the good old days when people kept their arguing to PWI [/quote]

I was being ironic.

It sucks[/quote]

It always irritates me that they never came up with a phrase specifically for the sarcastic application of “I love how/when/what…” It always gets misinterpreted, if there’s one thing that should be more common in general vocabulary, it’s that.

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[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I love how all threads about girls turn into everyone arguing with orion[/quote]

It’s like the Red Pill video Davo posted. We’re all sheep and he’s just on another level of consciousness.

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orion

since you began following this PUA stuff how many successful relationships have you had where you feel you have experienced the genuine love of another person?

this all reads like the vacuous ramblings of a flamboyant fat gay highschooler holding court in the cafeteria explaining to his girlfriends why they deserve better than their current boyfriend. then going home and pulling the secret stash of chocolate from under his bed and crying while stuffing his face that no one will ever want to be his boyfriend cos he is a big gay freak.

unless you have had at least one successful relationship since the arrival of this PUA stuff in your life i fail to see why you position yourself as the resident agony aunt on women.

it is fair to define “success” in this instance as being able to feel that you yourself are comfortable and relaxed and not putting on some ridiculous charade to “game some dumb ho” and that in return this person is happy and in love with you.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

Meh

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Off topic, but when did everyone one the internet become old Yiddish people?

The only time I’ve ever heard that was when my bubbie and her old dominoe buddies were disgusted/bored about something.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

Meh

[/quote]

Off topic, but when did everyone one the internet become old Yiddish people?

The only time I’ve ever heard that was when my bubbie and her old dominoe buddies were disgusted/bored about something.[/quote]

Jews control the internet I thought you would know that.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

Meh

[/quote]

Off topic, but when did everyone one the internet become old Yiddish people?

The only time I’ve ever heard that was when my bubbie and her old dominoe buddies were disgusted/bored about something.[/quote]

Oi! What meshugganah is this?

Everyone on the internet becomes old Yiddish people he says. Oi!

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[quote]yolo84 wrote:
Jews control the internet I thought you would know that. [/quote]

Yeah, I forgot. Too busy at my international banking nuclear freemason John Birch meetings training sharks to attack Eqyptians.