Let’s hear it!!!
Who cares, it’s a forum. Who here has a right to decide if a post is “good” or not? If you don’t like a specific post, don’t respond to it. Wow! What a friggin concept. I really couldn’t give a flying intercourse what my percieved “role” was on this forum. Some folks on this forum have decided they are going to annoint themselves as the forum Guardians. Get over yourselves. It’s a forum folks, feel free to ask your questions without worrying about some self imposed forum Father judging your post as stupid or ‘newbieish.’
MooCow is a troll. Please do not feed.
Dave is a great example of what I was speaking of. He is the great self appointed judge of what is a “troll” or a valid post. Forum snobbery hurts us all. Seriously, who are you to call me a troll? Oh, and by the way dave, you actaully contradicted your own reply by involving me in it. Dave get over it. I don’t have to think like you or have your opinions in order to not be a troll. Peace. No, never mind I already don’t like you.
Whew! That’s a load off my mind…
And to respond to MooCow, the forum as a community has a right to decide (just as any community sets its own “community standards”), as do those individuals who spend time trying to make it a quality board. As far as I’m concerned, people like Mufasa who have inhabited the board for a long period of time, and have provided more good food for thought than most, are entitled to do or say whatever they please. They’ve put in the time, y’know? That counts for something, and definitely separates them from the “i’ve been lifitng for four days hwo cum im not hyooog pls respond!!!” crowd.
I’ve got to agree with chardawg. I consider the T-mag forum a community of iron brothers and sisters, not some anonymous random Q and A board. I appreciate the answers to questions, the encouragement and the overall hardcore yet positive attitude on this board. I know that I have only been posting for a few months now (and way too much recently, things have been real slow at work), but I consider T-mag, my home away from home. This is the best site on the web bar none and I hope that I can help the people on this forum as much as they have helped me progress.
No, the forum as a community has no right to decide anything. The posters on this forum do not own or operate it. And I really don’t care about this notion of forum seniority. Are we a cult or a forum? There is no community. This is a forum. Skip the posts you don’t like and respond to the one’s you do. Holy crap, what a concept!!! No one but the actual moderators of this site has any ‘right’ to determine if a post fits standards.
Moo: Point well taken. I hope you didn’t get the impression that anyone felt themselves “better” or felt they needed to squash the free flow of ideas. At least I don’t feel that way. Quite the opposite. And I don’t think that this Forum squelches that free flow in the least. I am merely bringing out the point that there are a few things that will kill a Forum like this quicker than you can say DNP. 1) Number one is the indifference of the Owners/Webmaster/Moderators to it’s quality. “Testosterone” has to be absolutely Top Notch in that department. I’ve never seen a group monitor, upgrade and maintain a Forum like they do. No one is even close.2) The other IS a sort of internal “self-policing” that encourages the free-flow of ideas, but at the same time calls people to task, makes them explain and/or support those ideas, and encourages them to study for themselves (i.e. “teaching a man to fish vs. giving him a fish” to quote the old paprable…)
After a LOT of experience on a few Forums, I can tell you that these things only make a Forum stronger, not weaker…
I would agree with your first post Moocow, but the strong “borg” mentality doesnt allow to have any individual thoughts without them viewing it as a sign of rebellion. (I was going to use “dissing” instead of rebellion, but I read on another thread that any word or abbreviation not found in the dictionary diminishes the quality of information found on this site.) I just want to make sure I understand what you said before I’m forced to flame you. If I’m not mistaken, your message was basically “Live and let live”. Yes, I can see why we’re after you. Oh and Moocow, never share personal experience of alternative training methods that has brought you great results. You see, posters are only allowed to paraphrase the contributors of this site. And if you are too lazy to paraphrase, well then just copy paste links and let them speak for themselves. --Oh Wait, Incoming message robot begins now If the person posting a half assed question, then I’m gonna post a half assed response robot voice ends. I’m sorry for the interruption Moocow, I’ve just been corrected by the elders. All kidding aside. Unless you enjoy getting flamed dont bother posting. There are only 2-3 posters that dont work for the site that give original advice. Just stick to reading the articles.
Ooops…a little snafu. The LACK of “self-policing” (along with Webmaster indifferene)will kill a Forum like this. I’ve seen it too often…Mufasa
Moo, I understand your point about not responding to posts you don’t like. I would agree with it except for one thing: the idiot posts often crowd out the quality ones. With a forum that gets this much traffic, posts often vanish quite quickly. As someone who’s serious about his training, nutrition and so on, I DO object to posts that fail to contribute to the boards’ stated goals. And I think that, as one of the very few (Kelly Bagget is the only other person I can think of off the top of my head) still around who’s been posting consistently since this forum was first created, I feel that I’ve put some time and effort into helping to make the forum what it is. I would hate to see it degenerate in the manner that Mufasa has indicated above. And, yes, this forum IS a community - a cyber community, but a community nonetheless.
Does one become a self righteous defender by showing some respect when replying to people? If so then I may be on your list, if so please let me know so I can get some sack cloth, ashes, a bell and a sign so I can let the world know of my misdeeds and hang my head in shame. Mufasa do you live in Salem perchance?
Mufasa get over yourself you dickhead. Fuck the english lesson.
C’Mon, Hyphnz…you know that that wasn’t the point of the post, Bro! (I hope you were just putting some levity in things!)I’m no judge or gardian of anyone but myself. I’m too imperfect to spend ANY of my time judging other people. My nature is as non-judgemental as a person can be. And for those who think there are some “appointed few”, that’s an arrogant statement in and of itself. I’ve been flamed as much as anybody (case in point, the last jerk with no balls who didn’t even post their nic), have not had post accepted and/or responded too, and the list goes on. (Hey…you give some, you take some).
So…there’s no “hiearchy” here.
Anyway…like all things…some will get it…some won’t. Just do whatever personal thing you can do to keep the site strong and informative…that’s all…
This point has come up before.
Unless someone has personally done the sum total of all human research themselves, they will always be utilizing the data, information, antedotes and ideas of others. Even those who are researchers themselves will do that.
So…I am at a loss when someone makes a distinction between “original” and “non-original” posters; or those that “think for themselves” and those that don’t.
Personally, I will quote for someone (ESPECIALLY the newbie), what I feel is the BEST information.
Also. Because something is “original” does not make it AUTOMATICALLY (by nature of being “original”) either viable, strong or useful information. Just my take…
Oh. Thats right. Scientist and professionals often quote, therefore if I quote I’m as smart as they are? This sounds like a rational Mike Mentzer would have used. Once again you have missed the point Mufasa. Citing a quote is intented to help prove your argument or theory. It is not intended to be your entire message. And by far the worst part is you are quoting authors of this site! Obviously if someone has posted a question on this forum they are aware this site exists! If you want to be helpful, quote authors and studies that have nothing to do with this site. That way you will be helping others discover info that they might now have been aware is even possible to obtain. Kelly Baggett (sp) is a perfect example of how someone could post fresh information. (And thats what I meant by original in my previous post.) Not in the sense of creating new information. I would LOVE to know where KB gets his info. Its new to me because its not from this site. The info from this site I’ve already read. Dont feel the need to regurgitate it. PS: Make sure you nit pik a secondary point I made to avoid dealing with the primary argument.
You’re right, Sewer…I am missing the point…especially when you pose the argument that if you want to be helpful, DON’T quote something or someone from, or on, this site? That can be some of the most helpful information out there, especially for the novice.
Also, are you saying that because someone has accessed this site, that they have availed themselves of, and are aware of, all of it’s content? Lastly, what is the primary argument that I’m avoiding???
(P.S.; I hope that all this stays in the realm of spirited disagreement! That DOES keep us, and the Forum, strong.) THANKS!
SH, chill out a little. Mufasa’s trying to make a nice, rational argument and you’re responding with nothing but sarcasm (and, I might add, not making your points very well). Is your point that “original” information is any information not on the T-Mag website? Kelly gets his stuff from a variety of sources (the Metabolic Diet book is one that leaps to mind), but I doubt if any of it is from his own primary research. Also, it’s blazingly obvious that a lot of posters DON’T read much of T-mag; if they did, they wouldn’t post such silly questions as, “I weigh 165 pounds. What’s the best diet for me?” C’mon man, no one’s attacking you personally here… (And BTW, as one of the guys who’s worried about grammar and such, I think that “dissing” is perfectly acceptable - so long as you spell it right!)
Fact of the matter is any person any where in the USA can create their own forum on whatever topic they desire anywhere on the web. I consider “message board relationships” very thought provoking, learning experience, and a place for good input, which it I’ve gotten from quite a few. I am grateful for this. Nonetheless, this is a shallow relationship. It would be great it we could meet or see each other in person! Only if I’ve seen you as a person, can I consider you brother or sister. I don’t believe I can figure out a person just by a post-it note on a bulletin board. Input?
Just as I guessed. No more input. A home away from home? huh?