Arrested at the RNC

I have a stupid question for lixy. I’m sure I’m gonna get flamed like a steak on a grill for this, but here goes…

If the same protests - ie, throwing fecal matter, human urine on the police, pulling mounted officers off their horses and attempting to assault them, throwing bricks through windows(of a bus of unarmed citizens)…
If all this happened in Morocco, How would the state have handled it? I’m all most going to assume live ammunition would’ve been used, right? I’m going to assume that give the situation, the police acted pretty damn reasonably here, don’t you think?

Nobody got killed, nobody hurt(seriously injured). The press were in the middle of it, and the majority of them have not said that they blame the police for arresting them. Typical procedure in controlling a small riot like that is to detain EVERYBODY and sort them out later. Hell, it’s not like you can just ask them to please stop… they tried that by time they were arrested… It doesn’t work too well…

[quote]Jason_w2006 wrote:
I have a stupid question for lixy. I’m sure I’m gonna get flamed like a steak on a grill for this, but here goes…

If the same protests - ie, throwing fecal matter, human urine on the police, pulling mounted officers off their horses and attempting to assault them, throwing bricks through windows(of a bus of unarmed citizens)…
If all this happened in Morocco, How would the state have handled it? I’m all most going to assume live ammunition would’ve been used, right? [/quote]

Not a chance. The riot police would crack heads and abuse would be all over the place.

What’s also certain, is that you wouldn’t have people defending those actions. The country isn’t polarized.

And this is just a guess, but if the issue behind the riot is a war taking place on the other side of the globe that’s costing Morocco lives and money, chances are that the police would be protesting alongside the anti-war activists.

Dunno. I wasn’t there. From the footage and testimonies I’ve seen, the police roughing up reporters, pushing others on the ground, taking away their press IDs without receipt or justification was unreasonable.

That’s never been the point. It’s about the press and their right to report freely without fear of governmental repression.

Were they all arrested? Somehow, I doubt the cops would take a chance with CNN.

Hence, my earlier comment about this logic leading to shoot at EVERYBODY in a warzone and ask questions later. Plenty of reporters died and got injured because of this, and it should not be tolerated.

If you arrest the press for merely reporting from hotspots, who’s going to relate to us the events from a neutral point of view? The cops? The protesters? Governmental agents dressed in riot police gear?

[quote]lixy wrote:
jawara wrote:
My internet connection here is slow so I’m waiting for the vid to load. Amy Goodman has no credibility with

Her credibility isn’t in question here. She’s a journalist who had every right to report on the protests outside the RNC, and she got roughed up and arrested by the cops. There’s footage of her crew being brutalized and there are witnesses by the boatload.

Her show doesn’t take a dime from either the government or any corporation. That’s genuine grassroots independent journalism. That you disagree with her editorial line is no reason to call her a liar here.

because there have been to many times were she says troops in Iraq are murdering people and cant back it up.

I watch her show quite regularly and I can’t think of an instance where she just made shit up. When there are witnesses who say a murder took place, she reports it. Some troops were jailed, some weren’t. She just reports allegations as such and facts as such.

What you should do is realize that there may be different points of view than your own. What you call “casualties”, others might call “murder”.

The last time I listened to FreeSpeechradio she said a woman was killed in Sadr City by US troops at traffic control point. Was I there? No.

Was the woman killed? Yes.

But I know the procedure. You put out orange cones and signs in Arabic that say “don’t cross here or you will be fired on”. We also have somthing called Escalation of Force. Basiclly it’s shout, show (your intent to shoot), shove (or throw somthing), then shoot. I’f your in a area where there are women strapped with bombs (and they KNOW we arent allowed to search them) I would have done the same. Amy Goodman didnt mention that part. She just made it sound like they just shot the chick for no reason.

And what exactly would you say is the reason she got shot. Self defense? Sorry to break your bubble, but most people in this world would not buy the idea that an unarmed woman represents any danger whatsoever to a lot of soldiers in full gear.

Granting the benefit of the doubt to the killer is not a good sign.

Secondly I heard a sound clip from the outside protests of the RNC. It was a rapper using curse words. I’m sorry but anyone who does that isnt trying to hold a “peaceful” demenstration.

Yay for freedom of speech![/quote]

I remember an episode of FreeSpeech TV where they said an American fighter plane blew up an innocent civillians house. There was no roof on the house and there was a hole in the middle of it. Anyone who knows anything about American weaponry knows that if that were true the house would be almost completly detroyed. But most who watch FreeSpeech dont know the differencr between a .44 and a .45.

If she has no credibility her reporting is worthless. Is there any actual footage of her getting roughed up.

The woman got shot probably because she crossed a line with signs in front of it that say “dont cross or you will be shot”, and since you wont acknowledge the fact that JAI,JAM and al-Queada are recruiting and using women as suicide bombers I’m gonna remind you.

Sitting outside and having somthing intellegent to say is one thing, maybe when you grow and have kids of your own you could understand not wanting them to hear curse words over a load speaker.

[quote]jawara wrote:
I remember an episode of FreeSpeech TV where they said an American fighter plane blew up an innocent civillians house. There was no roof on the house and there was a hole in the middle of it. Anyone who knows anything about American weaponry knows that if that were true the house would be almost completly detroyed. But most who watch FreeSpeech dont know the differencr between a .44 and a .45. [/quote]

Unless you’re willing to refer us to the exact incident so that we can investigate what Goodman reported, your statements above don’t hold any water.

Yes. Her camera crew got the worst of it though.

[i]Q: Why was the woman shot?

A: Because she crossed the street.[/i]

Surreal.

What are you implying? That women are somehow less able than men to pull off suicide bombings?

OMG!!1! Think of the children!

Maybe when you grow up, you’ll learn how to spell the words intelligent and loudspeaker.

[quote]lixy wrote:
jawara wrote:
I remember an episode of FreeSpeech TV where they said an American fighter plane blew up an innocent civillians house. There was no roof on the house and there was a hole in the middle of it. Anyone who knows anything about American weaponry knows that if that were true the house would be almost completly detroyed. But most who watch FreeSpeech dont know the differencr between a .44 and a .45.

Unless you’re willing to refer us to the exact incident so that we can investigate what Goodman reported, your statements above don’t hold any water.

If she has no credibility her reporting is worthless. Is there any actual footage of her getting roughed up.

Yes. Her camera crew got the worst of it though.

The woman got shot probably because she crossed a line with signs in front of it that say “dont cross or you will be shot”,

[i]Q: Why was the woman shot?

A: Because she crossed the street.[/i]

Surreal.

and since you wont acknowledge the fact that JAI,JAM and al-Queada are recruiting and using women as suicide bombers I’m gonna remind you.

What are you implying? That women are somehow less able than men to pull off suicide bombings?

Sitting outside and having somthing intellegent to say is one thing, maybe when you grow and have kids of your own you could understand not wanting them to hear curse words over a load speaker.

OMG!!1! Think of the children!

Maybe when you grow up, you’ll learn how to spell the words intelligent and loudspeaker.[/quote]

Great job at trying to run your mouth without actually saying anything. I explain to you TWICE why the woman would have been shot but you refuse to see the point. Next time when this type of subject comes up again I’ll just keep in mind that you think all muslims are good can do nothing wrong.

[quote]jawara wrote:
Great job at trying to run your mouth without actually saying anything. I explain to you TWICE why the woman would have been shot but you refuse to see the point. Next time when this type of subject comes up again I’ll just keep in mind that you think all muslims are good can do nothing wrong.[/quote]

Lixy is an Islamic extremist. Only she is a chicken shit. Her war is waged with words on a bodybuilding website. But that is all she has: words.

She claims to be morrocan, but lives in Europe. She left morroco because she didn’t like how things were going over there.

She cheers every american death, and cries crocodile tears over every time the US kills one of her terrorist brothers.

Nothing the US does is good. We are the great Satan.

She is a pedophilic rapist, and has all but admitted as much here in this forum.

Lixy is a worthless pice of shit, and is oblivious to her putrid stupidity.

[quote]jawara wrote:
Next time when this type of subject comes up again I’ll just keep in mind that you think all muslims are good can do nothing wrong.[/quote]

How do you figure? Is it because I believe that the burden of proof falls on the person shooting an unarmed woman for crossing the street?

[quote]lixy wrote:
jawara wrote:
Next time when this type of subject comes up again I’ll just keep in mind that you think all muslims are good can do nothing wrong.

How do you figure? Is it because I believe that the burden of proof falls on the person shooting an unarmed woman for crossing the street?[/quote]

Funny, but here in the USA and under UCMJ, the burden of proof falls on the accuser, not the accused.

Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

You love the 1st amendment - when it suits you, but seem to conveniently skip the 5th amendment, on which the above term is based.

Why is that?

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
rainjack wrote:

LMAO!! What the hell is the “Universal Declaration of Human Rights”?

LMAO!! You seriously don’t know what that is?

(pssst wiki is your friend)

You need to learn to tell the difference between a rhetorical question, and a real question. But seeing as you haven’t learned reading comprehension yet, I doubt you are going to be going after the meaning of 4 syllable words anytime soon. [/quote]

LMAO!!

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
The best part is: Zeppelin keeps supplying us with this objective, “unbiased” news.

And, there is no news here - just idiot radicals intentionally breaking the law, predictably getting arrested for breaking said law, and then manufacturing a histrionic narrative about “oppression!” after the fact.

Been the same tactic since the 1960s to manufacture outrage - and no one is buying it.[/quote]

When you say the same tactics since the 60’s are you referring to Kent State? Have you ever been to a demonstration?

[quote]rainjack wrote:
jawara wrote:
Great job at trying to run your mouth without actually saying anything. I explain to you TWICE why the woman would have been shot but you refuse to see the point. Next time when this type of subject comes up again I’ll just keep in mind that you think all muslims are good can do nothing wrong.

Lixy is an Islamic extremist. Only she is a chicken shit. Her war is waged with words on a bodybuilding website. But that is all she has: words.

She claims to be morrocan, but lives in Europe. She left morroco because she didn’t like how things were going over there.

She cheers every american death, and cries crocodile tears over every time the US kills one of her terrorist brothers.

Nothing the US does is good. We are the great Satan.

She is a pedophilic rapist, and has all but admitted as much here in this forum.

Lixy is a worthless pice of shit, and is oblivious to her putrid stupidity. [/quote]

While I may disagree with Lixy at times, I do not think him as an arrogant ass, I see him as someone that has enough intelligence to communicate with out being rude .Do you see every one that disagrees with you as dumb?

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
rainjack wrote:
jawara wrote:
Great job at trying to run your mouth without actually saying anything. I explain to you TWICE why the woman would have been shot but you refuse to see the point. Next time when this type of subject comes up again I’ll just keep in mind that you think all muslims are good can do nothing wrong.

Lixy is an Islamic extremist. Only she is a chicken shit. Her war is waged with words on a bodybuilding website. But that is all she has: words.

She claims to be morrocan, but lives in Europe. She left morroco because she didn’t like how things were going over there.

She cheers every american death, and cries crocodile tears over every time the US kills one of her terrorist brothers.

Nothing the US does is good. We are the great Satan.

She is a pedophilic rapist, and has all but admitted as much here in this forum.

Lixy is a worthless pice of shit, and is oblivious to her putrid stupidity.

While I may disagree with Lixy at times, I do not think him as an arrogant ass, I see him as someone that has enough intelligence to communicate with out being rude .Do you see every one that disagrees with you as dumb?
[/quote]

You evidently haven’t read all of her posts. And your last question shows you haven’t read very many of my posts, either.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
rainjack wrote:
jawara wrote:
Great job at trying to run your mouth without actually saying anything. I explain to you TWICE why the woman would have been shot but you refuse to see the point. Next time when this type of subject comes up again I’ll just keep in mind that you think all muslims are good can do nothing wrong.

Lixy is an Islamic extremist. Only she is a chicken shit. Her war is waged with words on a bodybuilding website. But that is all she has: words.

She claims to be morrocan, but lives in Europe. She left morroco because she didn’t like how things were going over there.

She cheers every american death, and cries crocodile tears over every time the US kills one of her terrorist brothers.

Nothing the US does is good. We are the great Satan.

She is a pedophilic rapist, and has all but admitted as much here in this forum.

Lixy is a worthless pice of shit, and is oblivious to her putrid stupidity.

While I may disagree with Lixy at times, I do not think him as an arrogant ass, I see him as someone that has enough intelligence to communicate with out being rude .Do you see every one that disagrees with you as dumb?
[/quote]

I didnt say he/she was dumb. But I do know what taqiyya is. Maybe you should too.

[quote]jawara wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
rainjack wrote:
jawara wrote:
Great job at trying to run your mouth without actually saying anything. I explain to you TWICE why the woman would have been shot but you refuse to see the point. Next time when this type of subject comes up again I’ll just keep in mind that you think all muslims are good can do nothing wrong.

Lixy is an Islamic extremist. Only she is a chicken shit. Her war is waged with words on a bodybuilding website. But that is all she has: words.

She claims to be morrocan, but lives in Europe. She left morroco because she didn’t like how things were going over there.

She cheers every american death, and cries crocodile tears over every time the US kills one of her terrorist brothers.

Nothing the US does is good. We are the great Satan.

She is a pedophilic rapist, and has all but admitted as much here in this forum.

Lixy is a worthless pice of shit, and is oblivious to her putrid stupidity.

While I may disagree with Lixy at times, I do not think him as an arrogant ass, I see him as someone that has enough intelligence to communicate with out being rude .Do you see every one that disagrees with you as dumb?

I didnt say he/she was dumb. But I do know what taqiyya is. Maybe you should too.
[/quote]

Is this what you mean ? Taqiya - Wikipedia

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
jawara wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
rainjack wrote:
jawara wrote:
Great job at trying to run your mouth without actually saying anything. I explain to you TWICE why the woman would have been shot but you refuse to see the point. Next time when this type of subject comes up again I’ll just keep in mind that you think all muslims are good can do nothing wrong.

Lixy is an Islamic extremist. Only she is a chicken shit. Her war is waged with words on a bodybuilding website. But that is all she has: words.

She claims to be morrocan, but lives in Europe. She left morroco because she didn’t like how things were going over there.

She cheers every american death, and cries crocodile tears over every time the US kills one of her terrorist brothers.

Nothing the US does is good. We are the great Satan.

She is a pedophilic rapist, and has all but admitted as much here in this forum.

Lixy is a worthless pice of shit, and is oblivious to her putrid stupidity.

While I may disagree with Lixy at times, I do not think him as an arrogant ass, I see him as someone that has enough intelligence to communicate with out being rude .Do you see every one that disagrees with you as dumb?

I didnt say he/she was dumb. But I do know what taqiyya is. Maybe you should too.

Is this what you mean ? Taqiya - Wikipedia

[/quote]

Yeah, but there are better refereance sources than wikipedia.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
The best part is: Zeppelin keeps supplying us with this objective, “unbiased” news.

And, there is no news here - just idiot radicals intentionally breaking the law, predictably getting arrested for breaking said law, and then manufacturing a histrionic narrative about “oppression!” after the fact.

Been the same tactic since the 1960s to manufacture outrage - and no one is buying it.[/quote]

It is news w/o the overwhelming corporate influence that you apparently listen to. The “bias” is towards finding the truth unlike the major media outlets whose “news” is about serving their interests instead of the American people!

If you bother to really take a look you will find this out.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

While I may disagree with Lixy at times, I do not think him as an arrogant ass, I see him as someone that has enough intelligence to communicate with out being rude .Do you see every one that disagrees with you as dumb?
[/quote]

Pay attention. He is incredibly rude.

Wouldnt it be cool as anything to take a huge busload of REAL T-Nation, jacked up warriors to Mn and unload on these loosers who were vandalizing and creating mayhem?!..

After all, part of the credo of being a T-Man is standing up against evil anarchy where innocent people might get hurt…

Covering the RNC has nothing to do with destroying public or private property. The Republicans seem to equate the two, stupidly, I might add.

Journalists who are just trying to do their job should not be strong-armed and intimidated by police who seemingly can’t tell the difference between a protester and a credential-carrying journalist. Absolutely ridiculous and unacceptable.

Ok…So, I’m watching a video where she has crossed over police lines. She’s told to get outside of the line. She refuses. An officer attempts to physically escort her, and she tries to resist being moved out of police lines.

So, um, what am I supposed to be outraged over? That she isn’t treated like queen big crap journalist?