Man that sounds like a good day.
I spent the day at the range practicing with a Ruger .22. Put 300 rounds threw it. Than 50 threw a G19, and 50 threw a P226. A quality day. Found a range in Delray Beach that rents full autos, heading there in the coming days.
[quote]DickBag wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
wukey wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
wukey wrote:
you had some people come into your SCHOOL and show you all how to shoot guns?
I might be being a bit of a sceptic but isn’t that giving the wronge message out to the pupils?
What better place than SCHOOL to learn responsible gun use? When I was a kid, the janitor of my junior high was an olympic marksman. He taught us pupils all about gun control (sight alignment, sight picture, trigger squeeze …).
Joking aside, do people really need to know how to use a gun? I’m 28 and not only have i never shot a gun, i’ve never even seen one and i’ve got through life just fine.
Lack of skill isn’t something to brag about. A well rounded man should be able to shoot, fish, cook, sew, repair an auto, pitch a tent, paddle a boat, earn a living, change a diaper…
your just saying stuff that shouldnt even need to be taught.
changing a diaper is easy. sewing is easy. paddleing a boat is just silly easy, earn a lkiving isnt charatoristic of a man, its for men and women. and any one can shoot
actually, any one can do the things you outlined. females, men, kids.
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And they are skills everyone should have.
[quote]wukey wrote:
Sorry, what has my attitude ruined for the rest of my countrymen?
and maybe there are still guns on the streets in the UK, but you can’t just go out and buy one from a shop with a 3 day wait, and the gun related deaths in england is much lower than the US.
But in all your gesticulation you missed my point.
YOU DONT NEED A GUN
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This is the same country that has cameras on every street corner, and I just read an article with how the brits are fine with the cameras actually TALKING to them, telling them to pick up litter that they drop, etc.
Fuck me, you fellas can have 1984, but in an America where homeowners have guns, that shit will not fly.
They are the ultimate check and balance, and I don’t need a pussy like you telling me what I DO and DO NOT need. Thank you.
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we could ‘what if’ all day but in reality how often does someone brake into a house, give the householder enough time to get their gun out, and then threaten some hidiouse act that requires you to shoot them in self defence?[/quote]
That’s like saying there’s no reason to learn martial arts or hand to hand fighting skills, because the odds of you having to use it are very low. Well, that may be true, but if that day comes I won’t be the one dead in the gutter.
Again, you’re a pussy.
And to the OP, good shit. That sounds like a lot of fun… I don’t know anyone who’s gone to sniper school, but I have read quite a few books about it. Crazy shit, crazy guys. Be safe man!
[quote]wukey wrote:
YOU DONT NEED A GUN
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I would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
Well said, Contrl…
On the topic at hand, eventually i’ll get to sniper school… lol Good stuff though, man.
[quote]Liquid447 wrote:
makes me almost wanna resign my commission…[/quote]
Almost…Heh-heh-heh…
[quote]Liquid447 wrote:
Shooting is a necessary skill, no matter if your a cook, paper pusher, or laundry duty in the army…[/quote]
Direct and true…There has been no “front line” in the classical sense anymore since 1945…Well said, Son!..
whoever said better to have it and not need it is dead on.
if you own a gun, and keep it safely stored in your home, how is that an obituary waiting to happen? maybe if youre a complete idiot…
the only obituary my 1911 might help write is the asshole that may decide to break into my house.
[quote]wukey wrote:
Sorry, what has my attitude ruined for the rest of my countrymen?..YOU DONT NEED A GUN…[/quote]
At one point in my life I was an ardent Anglophile, but you see, those men I respected were from the pre/post WW2 generations. Sadly, those tough Commandoes and Bulldogs are few these days, the majority of UK men have been purposely brainwashed out of their own liberties. Do some research on the original “Rights of free Englishmen” that your present rulers want to keep you ignorant of!.
It says a free Englishman is an armed one. Where do you think the rebel Americans derived what came to be the 2nd Amendment “Right to Keep and bear arms” from?. All the Americans did was reinvigorate the concept, ironically, because we were being bullied by the armed troops of you lot: The Crown, and codified a more perfected version of those rights based on the hard lessons freedom and liberty teach.
Too many in the UK have not merely “forgotten” their rights, they are ignorant of their existence to begin with, as it is no longer being taught in schools there. With knowledge, a UK born man will quit bashing Americans about firearms (encouraged by your rulers as a diversionary tactic) and start rebelling against politicians, do-gooders, and powderpuffs who keep the people propagandized, mind-controlled, subservients, agreeing to be hapless victims of crime and nanny government.
I will never forget the true story of the WW2 Parachute Regiment veteran who cried real tears when the government came for his bolt-action, Short Magazine Lee Enfield rifle (a version of the same one he carried into battle) when the ban was enacted, exclaiming (paraphrase)“This is what we fought Hitler to avoid”…
[quote]dez6485 wrote:
whoever said better to have it and not need it is dead on.
if you own a gun, and keep it safely stored in your home, how is that an obituary waiting to happen? maybe if youre a complete idiot…
the only obituary my 1911 might help write is the asshole that may decide to break into my house.
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1911=You may survive, 911=You will be another quiet dead statistic…
[quote]wukey wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
wukey wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
wukey wrote:
Joking aside, do people really need to know how to use a gun? I’m 28 and not only have i never shot a gun, i’ve never even seen one and i’ve got through life just fine.
Lack of skill isn’t something to brag about. A well rounded man should be able to shoot, fish, cook, sew, repair an auto, pitch a tent, paddle a boat, earn a living, change a diaper…
seriously though i doubt that i’ll ever have the need to shoot anything because we have supermarkets nowadays and i’d rather just eat the animals and not get my hands dirty with the whole killing and butchering thing. as for fishing i find that mind numbing. i can cook quite well thanks. theres no way i’m doing and cross stitch picture of two teddy bears in a love heart no matter how manly it makes me. i don’t own a car so being able to fix one would be pointless (but i do know my way around one). the only tent i pitch is in my bed sheets each morning. I’m sure given the equipment i’d be able to figure out how to paddle a boat (eventually). My second tick is next to earn a living, been doing that quite well without a gun so far. As for change a nappy, i’m sure one day i’ll learn that, but i’m pretty sure i wont need a gun for it.
My point, no city dweller has any need for a gun, no way, ever, not even for protection, if someone robs you with a gun you give them your shit, you don’t get your gun out and have a big shooting feast, its not worth the risk.[/quote]
Spoken like a true subject.
Now as far as us citizens are concerned guns ARE necessary. I actually think Irish said it best, but I’m going to say it again since I believe that learned helplessness has worked its way into the minds of our friends across the ocean. Guns aren’t around to protect us from criminals, they’re to protect us from the government. Long after they’ve hauled you and your family off to the gulags they’ll be getting their asses handed to them with the hunting rifles of American marksmen and the battle rifles of dedicated American militiamen. So long as we hold rifles, there will always remain a small chance that we can repel tyrants. The anti-federalists were deathly afraid of standing armies because they saw what your troops did to our citizens. They put the second amendment in there so we could fight back.
“The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside…Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them…” – Thomas Paine, Thoughts on Defensive War in 1775
And no one in a city needs a gun? Tell that the the victims of Hurricane Katrina. I’ll bet knowing how to sew would be awful helpful in a survival situation too. But you needn’t fear…big brother will keep you safe.
And as far as the hunting thing goes, don’t you feel like so much more of a man for leaving the killing of another animal to the hands of someone else? If you can’t respect an animal enough to be willing to kill it yourself, then you don’t rate to eat it.
This whole post of yours reminds me why I like the French better than the Brits. You live in a country that thinks their little queen is a quaint little symbolhead instead of the reminder of tyrants past.
The mark of the slave was on you from the start. You don’t own a gun, so you lack the ability of self-preservation. You don’t own a car, so you lack the freedom of movement. You get your food from a supermarket, your protection from the police, and your transportation from the government. How are them chains feeling?
Oh yeah, what are your knife laws?
Let me summarize…
Earlier this year the government increased the penalty for carrying a knife in public from two to four years�?? imprisonment.
“No slave shall keep any arms whatever”–A Bill Concerning Slaves, Virginia Assembly, 1779
mike
[quote]Blacksnake wrote:
1911=You may survive, 911=You will be another quiet dead statistic…[/quote]
I can’t remember whether I read it here or somewhere else, but, “when seconds count, the police are only minutes away”.
[quote]JokerFMJ wrote:
wukey wrote:
Sorry, what has my attitude ruined for the rest of my countrymen?
and maybe there are still guns on the streets in the UK, but you can’t just go out and buy one from a shop with a 3 day wait, and the gun related deaths in england is much lower than the US.
In 2001 there were 1400 (per 100,000 residents) violent crimes committed in England and Wales compared to 500 (per 100,000 residents) in the US. I can’t find anything more recent that compares the two, unfortunately.
A quick note: Violent crimes rose dramatically in England and Wales after the gun ban in 1997.
Law enforcement and anti-crime activists regularly claim that the United States tops the charts in most crime-rate categories, but a new international study says that America’s former master – Great Britain – has much higher levels of crime. The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations. Twenty-six percent of English citizens – roughly one-quarter of the
population – have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.
The United States didn’t even make the “top 10” list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.
Oh, here you go, an article from August of this year:
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/guns_england/2007/08/26/27556.html
Gun crimes in England have almost doubled since 1997, when a ban on firearms began.
According to the Sunday Times of London, crimes in which guns were used numbered 4,671 in 2005-06.
Also, government officials report that most gun crime is committed by children and teenagers under 18 years old.
David Davis, the shadow home secretary, told the Telegraph: "What this shows is that the majority of these crimes are committed by youngsters under 18.
“The government’s policy has failed with the group most responsible for this increase in crime. It is long past time the Government stopped believing its own propaganda, and took measures to get a grip.”
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i stand corrected. didn’t mean to hijack the thread, sorry OP.
I find those stastistics quite shocking, it just goes to show how wrong we can be when we presume thing based on anicdotal evidence.
Either way, i did enjoy the debate, and learnt a thing or two along the way.
As an Englishman I for one find the gun laws in the UK a pretty good example of too many laws and not enough personal freedom. We now must be the only society in history living in fear of our children.
I for one was enjoying the most excellent stuff about sniper school and was a bit cheesed off when wukey hijacked the thread.
Threads like these remind me of how jealous I am that you lucky buggers had a revolution when you realised your personal rights were being ignored by our government. All us chumps left here in Britain are still living under a constitutional monarchy with all major establishments still run along the lines of the class system.
got a few more pictures if you guys are interested.
damn guy gives a new meaning to the word ‘tabbed out’
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Good stuff. Read an interesting book called “Dear Mom - A snipers Vietnam” a few years ago, gave you a good idea of what a marine sniper got up to.
[quote] Joe wrote:
Good stuff. Read an interesting book called “Dear Mom - A snipers Vietnam” a few years ago, gave you a good idea of what a marine sniper got up to.[/quote]
No mention of Marine Corps snipers is complete without reference to Gunny Hathcock.
Is that 2nd pic you posted a Panther rifle of some sort?