Army Sniper School Instructor

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It’s attitudes like that which ruined it for the rest of your countrymen. How’re those crime rates now that guns are illegal? All the criminals gave up their weapons too, right?

Seriously though, teaching responsible use of a gun should not have the stigma it has. I keep a handgun locked and loaded in my house, and I have kids. But I keep it locked in a safe under the bed. I am gone a lot for work, and my wife and I like the idea of her having the ability to defend herself and the kids should something happen. As my kids get older, I will teach them how to safely and responsibly to use a firearm, which is always better that having someone fear guns because ‘Guns are the debil!’

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[quote]wukey wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
wukey wrote:

Shooting for fun in a safe environment is fine, but teaching kids to shoot at school gives the wronge message and having a gun in your house is an obituary entry waiting to happen.[/quote]

once again, i go to a MILITARY SCHOOL, where we will all commission into the ARMY. Shooting is a necessary skill, no matter if your a cook, paper pusher, or laundry duty in the army.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
Sounds like a lot of fun. What did you think of the SPR? I like that rifle.[/quote]

probably one of the most fun rifles i shot that day. the 300m target was easy money from the kneeling position, and it was a freaking laser on anything from the prone. (only had targets up to like 6-700m)

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Sorry, what has my attitude ruined for the rest of my countrymen?
and maybe there are still guns on the streets in the UK, but you can’t just go out and buy one from a shop with a 3 day wait, and the gun related deaths in england is much lower than the US.
But in all your gesticulation you missed my point.
YOU DONT NEED A GUN

we could ‘what if’ all day but in reality how often does someone brake into a house, give the householder enough time to get their gun out, and then threaten some hidiouse act that requires you to shoot them in self defence?

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[quote]wukey wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
wukey wrote:
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My point, no city dweller has any need for a gun, no way, ever, not even for protection, if someone robs you with a gun you give them your shit, you don’t get your gun out and have a big shooting feast, its not worth the risk.

Your choice but you are missing out. An afternoon at the range is one of lifes pleasures. I have shot with ardent anti-gunners that had a great time.

I am soooo glad I don’t live in a city. Fun to visit but no place to live.

Does that mean you live out in the wilderness, think i’d like it for a day or two but as you’ve probably guessed the closest i get to the great outdoors is a Ray Mears repeat on discovery.
The point you make is valid, i’ve got no problem with someone shooting in a range for fun, but you should be able to hire a gun for that day, why have one at home that you only use in a range?
Shooting for fun in a safe environment is fine, but teaching kids to shoot at school gives the wronge message and having a gun in your house is an obituary entry waiting to happen.[/quote]

I live just on the outskirts of my town which is ~ 15 miles from the state capital. I have a wooded backyard, saw 2 deer about 500 yards from my house this morning and am about a 10-15 minute walk to the fishing pond. Nice set up but walking back up the hills is a bit tough.

I can’t shoot in my neighborhood but there is a sportsmans club with multiple ranges and a nice sporting clays course ~ 2 miles away as the crow flies.

Where would I store my guns? At a range? Why? Who would take care of them and make sure they are not stolen? What if I wanted to use them elsewhere? This gets quite complicated if you mandate range storage. It is almost as bad as confiscation and I would never trust a government that would punish law abiding citizens like that.

The OP was taught to shoot at a military school. I am not sure how I would feel if they taught shooting at the public high school. I am going to teach my kids myself and I don’t like the idea of a group of 14 year olds screwing around with guns with the typical pisspoor public school supervision.

I definitely believe guns should be secured to prevent small hands from getting them and that is why I have multiple layers of protection for my firearms.

The war I see guns is that Pandora’s box is already opened. I trust myself more than I trust anyone else. They are also quite enjoyable. I will continue to own them and advocate ownership for responsible people. I have no problem with you not wanting a gun.

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[quote]Liquid447 wrote:
wukey wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
wukey wrote:

Shooting for fun in a safe environment is fine, but teaching kids to shoot at school gives the wronge message and having a gun in your house is an obituary entry waiting to happen.

once again, i go to a MILITARY SCHOOL, where we will all commission into the ARMY. Shooting is a necessary skill, no matter if your a cook, paper pusher, or laundry duty in the army.

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Yeah, Wukey is just not getting it. Apparently, reading comprehension is another life skill that he feels is unimportant. But hey, he can cook his own meals and pull his own pork. From the looks of it, that’s all he needs for fulfillment.

DB

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[quote]wukey wrote:
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YOU DONT NEED A GUN
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Limiting yourself to things you need in life is a crappy way to live.

[quote]

we could ‘what if’ all day but in reality how often does someone brake into a house, give the householder enough time to get their gun out, and then threaten some hidiouse act that requires you to shoot them in self defence?[/quote]

Not often because it is understood that home invasion will get you shot in this country. It is my understanding it is a growth industry in Great Britian.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
wukey wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
wukey wrote:

I live just on the outskirts of my town which is ~ 15 miles from the state capital. I have a wooded backyard, saw 2 deer about 500 yards from my house this morning and am about a 10-15 minute walk to the fishing pond. Nice set up but walking back up the hills is a bit tough.
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Sounds nice

Sorry everyone i’ve been pissing up the wrong tree, i didn’t see the referance to military school. That changes everything.
Again, my apologies.

Agreed, but surely there is a better answer than everyone having a gun just because everyone has one.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
wukey wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
wukey wrote:
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My point, no city dweller has any need for a gun, no way, ever, not even for protection, if someone robs you with a gun you give them your shit, you don’t get your gun out and have a big shooting feast, its not worth the risk.

Your choice but you are missing out. An afternoon at the range is one of lifes pleasures. I have shot with ardent anti-gunners that had a great time.

I am soooo glad I don’t live in a city. Fun to visit but no place to live.

Does that mean you live out in the wilderness, think i’d like it for a day or two but as you’ve probably guessed the closest i get to the great outdoors is a Ray Mears repeat on discovery.
The point you make is valid, i’ve got no problem with someone shooting in a range for fun, but you should be able to hire a gun for that day, why have one at home that you only use in a range?
Shooting for fun in a safe environment is fine, but teaching kids to shoot at school gives the wronge message and having a gun in your house is an obituary entry waiting to happen.

I live just on the outskirts of my town which is ~ 15 miles from the state capital. I have a wooded backyard, saw 2 deer about 500 yards from my house this morning and am about a 10-15 minute walk to the fishing pond. Nice set up but walking back up the hills is a bit tough.

I can’t shoot in my neighborhood but there is a sportsmans club with multiple ranges and a nice sporting clays course ~ 2 miles away as the crow flies.

Where would I store my guns? At a range? Why? Who would take care of them and make sure they are not stolen? What if I wanted to use them elsewhere? This gets quite complicated if you mandate range storage. It is almost as bad as confiscation and I would never trust a government that would punish law abiding citizens like that.

The OP was taught to shoot at a military school. I am not sure how I would feel if they taught shooting at the public high school. I am going to teach my kids myself and I don’t like the idea of a group of 14 year olds screwing around with guns with the typical pisspoor public school supervision.

I definitely believe guns should be secured to prevent small hands from getting them and that is why I have multiple layers of protection for my firearms.

The war I see guns is that Pandora’s box is already opened. I trust myself more than I trust anyone else. They are also quite enjoyable. I will continue to own them and advocate ownership for responsible people. I have no problem with you not wanting a gun.

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My HS had a rifle team and no incidents. In fact, it was rare to even have fights at my HS. But that was back in the '80s when you were allowed to push kids to the peripheries through teasing. Those kids went on to design computer systems and cure diseases. Kids today don’t have those advantages.

But this is a hijack. I would have loved to spend a day with a sniper instructor when I was going through ROTC in college. Our visitors were always Generals coming to talk about life in the Army. That was cool and interesting in its own right, I have never met a General who wasn’t extremely intelligent and engaging, but an accomplished sniper trumps all that.

DB

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The kid is in MILITARY school, get over yourself. I own 2 guns, am 19 and I love to hunt. I also have my firearms permit meaning I can go buy a gun whenever I want. Does it mean I’m a raving lunatic that is going to go on a massive killing spree?? FUCK NO! those people mostly attain firearms ILLEGALLY and are completely whacked out of their mind to begin with.

Perfect law abiding citizens have a right, it’s in our constitution, to bear arms if we so choose, if not for the fun of owning one, but to protect ourselves from those aforementioned raving lunatics with illegal firearms. And you would know that in the U.S. most deaths/murders by firearms are by ILLEGALLY attained firearms, but I guess you wouldn’t know that since you live in England, not the U.S.

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[quote]wukey wrote:
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Agreed, but surely there is a better answer than everyone having a gun just because everyone has one.[/quote]

Not everyone has one nor does everyone want one. We have systems and laws in place to prevent criminals and the mentally ill from purchasing guns unfortunately sometimes they fail.

Most gun crime is done with illegally acquired firearms. A huge percentage of these guns went through a very small percentage of firearms dealers.

Our BATF is too busy to crack down on these problem dealers because that takes real investigative work. It would much rather harass honest citizens that make small mistakes.

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[quote]football061 wrote:
The kid is in MILITARY school, get over yourself. I own 2 guns, am 19 and I love to hunt. I also have my firearms permit meaning I can go buy a gun whenever I want. Does it mean I’m a raving lunatic that is going to go on a massive killing spree?? FUCK NO! those people mostly attain firearms ILLEGALLY and are completely whacked out of their mind to begin with.

Perfect law abiding citizens have a right, it’s in our constitution, to bear arms if we so choose, if not for the fun of owning one, but to protect ourselves from those aforementioned raving lunatics with illegal firearms. And you would know that in the U.S. most deaths/murders by firearms are by ILLEGALLY attained firearms, but I guess you wouldn’t know that since you live in England, not the U.S.[/quote]

fair enough.
and yes i did miss the military bit because yes, reading isn’t my strong point. Which makes my original point invalid, but i did retracted it.
I’m not saying america has got it wrong, but would it not be better to have less guns about? legal or not.
Anyway, we’ll not change each others minds, so after we’ve made our arguments would it not be better to just agree to disagree.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Our BATF is too busy to crack down on these problem dealers because that takes real investigative work. It would much rather harass honest citizens that make small mistakes.[/quote]

i sence some disillusion in your voice, i know that feeling well.

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[quote]wukey wrote:
fair enough.
and yes i did miss the military bit because yes, reading isn’t my strong point. Which makes my original point invalid, but i did retracted it.
I’m not saying america has got it wrong, but would it not be better to have less guns about? legal or not.
Anyway, we’ll not change each others minds, so after we’ve made our arguments would it not be better to just agree to disagree.[/quote]

The main issue here in the US is that, even if suddenly firearms were illegal, how would you get them? You can’t very well invade everyone’s house to search for weapons. There are 2 firearms for every citizen in the US. The cat is out of the bag at this point because collecting them all is impossible.

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[quote]fireplug52 wrote:

The cat is out of the bag[/quote]

Somebody should shoot it, damnit!

DB

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To the OP: It looks like a lot of fun. It would have been great if I could have had an accomplish sniper give me lessons.

Wukey:
Taking firearms out of the hands of law abiding citizens causes said citizens to become targets for crime.

Hunting is a primitive instinct. I choose to bow hunt. That doesn’t mean I don’t carry a firearm with me in case of the “Muy Grande.” Also, venison is very healthy.

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[quote] Pandora’s box is already opened.

Agreed, but surely there is a better answer than everyone having a gun just because everyone has one.[/quote]

This is where I disagree. The only way to reliably defend yourself is to rely on yourself, not a gov’t agency that can only respond after the fact. Likewise, I trust myself more than anyone else in this world. Also, as much as people would like to build policy on an ideal world, that ideal world does not exist, and hence policy should be made in the real, imperfect world. Besides, they’re just FUN.

Well, yes it might in an ideal world. But the problem is that this ‘ideal world’ does not exist, and never has. As it is, I’d prefer my chance to defend myself, and my chance to educate my sons and daughters (when I have them) over the responsiveness of the police (at which point I’m already dead), or the inattentiveness of the gov’t. At this point I don’t think there’s anything you can do about retrieving all the guns anyway.

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Wukey…why don’t you start a thread of your own about “how people don’t need guns” and shit…save what dignity you have left after highjacking a thread about a SNIPER INSTRUCTOR at a MILITARY SCHOOL…i know the two don’t go hand in hand but just let it go already.

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[quote]wukey wrote:
Sorry, what has my attitude ruined for the rest of my countrymen?
and maybe there are still guns on the streets in the UK, but you can’t just go out and buy one from a shop with a 3 day wait, and the gun related deaths in england is much lower than the US.
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In 2001 there were 1400 (per 100,000 residents) violent crimes committed in England and Wales compared to 500 (per 100,000 residents) in the US. I can’t find anything more recent that compares the two, unfortunately.

A quick note: Violent crimes rose dramatically in England and Wales after the gun ban in 1997.

Oh, here you go, an article from August of this year:

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[quote]fireplug52 wrote:
The main issue here in the US is that, even if suddenly firearms were illegal, how would you get them? You can’t very well invade everyone’s house to search for weapons. There are 2 firearms for every citizen in the US. The cat is out of the bag at this point because collecting them all is impossible.[/quote]

That’s what they do in Australia. Along with their gun ban passed in 1997 they are now allowed to walk into your home and take all your firearms along with copy everything on your hard drive. Withou a warrant.