Arizona Congresswoman Shot

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Racer377 wrote:
[[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20027918-503544.html[/quote]

Granted I know as little as anyone else, but I have reservations about bringing something like that into the fray. From the information out there the guy seems like a paranoid schizo or something, and I doubt that something Palin said would be the impetus for this. However, I doubt that we’ll see her “targeting” anyone in the future.[/quote]

I think we have to hold the rhetoric suspect.[/quote]

Good for the goose.

“Congress woman Gifford is dead to me”

Of course, Kos is scrubbing it from the site.

The internet never forgets though
cached version here.
http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/my-congresswoman-voted-against-nancy-pelosi-and-is-now-dead-to-me-eerie-daily-kos-hit-piece-on-gabrielle-giffords-just-two-days-before-assassination-attempt-on-her/

Or this one? Since you think “targeting” amounts to inciting violence…

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/25/1204/74882/511/541568

“Who to primary? Well, I’d argue that we can narrow the target list by looking at those Democrats who sold out the Constitution last week. I’ve bolded members of the Blue Dogs for added emphasis.”

Gifford’s name is there.

[/quote]

I did not read any of those sites TOO WELL , but i have never heard of them either . I think everyone has heard of Glen Beck , Rush Limpdick , Sara Palin and Faux news an obscure site that no one has heard of will never equate to the power the right wing has put into swirling nutjobery.

If I did miss something on that level ,please point it out [/quote]

You’re saying you’ve never heard of dailykos? I’m calling bullshit on that.

How about Dear leader telling his people “If they bring a knife, we bring a gun” or “get in their face, punch back twice as hard” or telling latino voters to “punish their enemies”

Have you never heard of Barack Obama either?

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[quote]bonerjams98 wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Save your breath guys - The left is totally blind. I’m waiting for Nancy Pelosi or one of the goons on the left to start blaming Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh for this. There is no end to their vile hatred.

But, why hasn’t it been touted that the killer was an atheist? From what I’ve read he was a very staunch atheist. Does anyone think that MSNBC or any of the other mainstream liberal media outlets will be talking about this?

Not a chance.[/quote]

Vile hatred? Jesus, relax man. Again, all current evidence points to him being completely nuts. Just opining here, but from his videos it looks like he’s got a thought disorder. I’m sure what he wrote makes complete sense to him, and I’ll bet he can’t see why it wouldn’t make sense to someone else either. dude’s a psycho. what’s the atheism got to do with it? a christian has never killed anyone?[/quote]

I work at the Jail in Tucson and I hope for the shooters sake that he really is batshit crazy because in my pod I have more than a few inmates that have said they would “take care” of him if he was housed with them. What sucks is he probably wont go to trial for at least a year so we will have deal with this POS until then. [/quote]

Inmate justice huh? As if what most of them did to earn a ticket to the big house was so much better than what this nut did.

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[quote]Racer377 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Racer377 wrote:
[[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20027918-503544.html[/quote]

Granted I know as little as anyone else, but I have reservations about bringing something like that into the fray. From the information out there the guy seems like a paranoid schizo or something, and I doubt that something Palin said would be the impetus for this. However, I doubt that we’ll see her “targeting” anyone in the future.[/quote]

I think we have to hold the rhetoric suspect.[/quote]

Good for the goose.

“Congress woman Gifford is dead to me”

Of course, Kos is scrubbing it from the site.

The internet never forgets though
cached version here.
http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/my-congresswoman-voted-against-nancy-pelosi-and-is-now-dead-to-me-eerie-daily-kos-hit-piece-on-gabrielle-giffords-just-two-days-before-assassination-attempt-on-her/

Or this one? Since you think “targeting” amounts to inciting violence…

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/25/1204/74882/511/541568

“Who to primary? Well, I’d argue that we can narrow the target list by looking at those Democrats who sold out the Constitution last week. I’ve bolded members of the Blue Dogs for added emphasis.”

Gifford’s name is there.

[/quote]

I did not read any of those sites TOO WELL , but i have never heard of them either . I think everyone has heard of Glen Beck , Rush Limpdick , Sara Palin and Faux news an obscure site that no one has heard of will never equate to the power the right wing has put into swirling nutjobery.

If I did miss something on that level ,please point it out [/quote]

You’re saying you’ve never heard of dailykos? I’m calling bullshit on that.

How about Dear leader telling his people “If they bring a knife, we bring a gun” or “get in their face, punch back twice as hard” or telling latino voters to “punish their enemies”

Have you never heard of Barack Obama either?
[/quote]

LOL-----They only remember what is convenient to them.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]bonerjams98 wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Save your breath guys - The left is totally blind. I’m waiting for Nancy Pelosi or one of the goons on the left to start blaming Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh for this. There is no end to their vile hatred.

But, why hasn’t it been touted that the killer was an atheist? From what I’ve read he was a very staunch atheist. Does anyone think that MSNBC or any of the other mainstream liberal media outlets will be talking about this?

Not a chance.[/quote]

Vile hatred? Jesus, relax man. Again, all current evidence points to him being completely nuts. Just opining here, but from his videos it looks like he’s got a thought disorder. I’m sure what he wrote makes complete sense to him, and I’ll bet he can’t see why it wouldn’t make sense to someone else either. dude’s a psycho. what’s the atheism got to do with it? a christian has never killed anyone?[/quote]

I work at the Jail in Tucson and I hope for the shooters sake that he really is batshit crazy because in my pod I have more than a few inmates that have said they would “take care” of him if he was housed with them. What sucks is he probably wont go to trial for at least a year so we will have deal with this POS until then. [/quote]

Inmate justice huh? As if what most of them did to earn a ticket to the big house was so much better than what this nut did.
[/quote]

I have at least 10 people waiting for trial for murder, most of them though killed other bangers or dealers. This guy killed 6 innocent people, including a child and that is where the inmates draw the line. When a child is involved it doesn’t matter how big of a scumbag you are that person is worse in the mind of the inmates.

with that being said I don’t like the idea of inmate justice, its just writing a wrong with another

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[quote]Racer377 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Racer377 wrote:
[[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20027918-503544.html[/quote]

Granted I know as little as anyone else, but I have reservations about bringing something like that into the fray. From the information out there the guy seems like a paranoid schizo or something, and I doubt that something Palin said would be the impetus for this. However, I doubt that we’ll see her “targeting” anyone in the future.[/quote]

I think we have to hold the rhetoric suspect.[/quote]

Good for the goose.

“Congress woman Gifford is dead to me”

Of course, Kos is scrubbing it from the site.

The internet never forgets though
cached version here.
http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/my-congresswoman-voted-against-nancy-pelosi-and-is-now-dead-to-me-eerie-daily-kos-hit-piece-on-gabrielle-giffords-just-two-days-before-assassination-attempt-on-her/

Or this one? Since you think “targeting” amounts to inciting violence…

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/25/1204/74882/511/541568

“Who to primary? Well, I’d argue that we can narrow the target list by looking at those Democrats who sold out the Constitution last week. I’ve bolded members of the Blue Dogs for added emphasis.”

Gifford’s name is there.

[/quote]

I did not read any of those sites TOO WELL , but i have never heard of them either . I think everyone has heard of Glen Beck , Rush Limpdick , Sara Palin and Faux news an obscure site that no one has heard of will never equate to the power the right wing has put into swirling nutjobery.

If I did miss something on that level ,please point it out [/quote]

You’re saying you’ve never heard of dailykos? I’m calling bullshit on that.

How about Dear leader telling his people “If they bring a knife, we bring a gun” or “get in their face, punch back twice as hard” or telling latino voters to “punish their enemies”

Have you never heard of Barack Obama either?
[/quote]

sorry , I have not heard of them, maybe you should ask Grandma .

m/watch/wed-may-12-2010/back-in-black—glenn-beck-s-nazi-tourette-s

This is what I am talking about , show me the clip of Chris Mathews saying Bush is a Russian and is trying to subject the American populace to slavery . Please show me

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]JoeGood wrote:
Politics in the US have been hijacked by rightwing nutjobs and leftwing nutjobs. All discourse has been reduced to those two sides yelling at each. Unless this changes we are going to see more of this, not less.[/quote]

I will agree there are left wing nut jobs , but they are not near as main stream as the right wing nuts are .The president is a Nazi , Socialist , Gay,Muslim,a bad Christian not born in America. I am sure I could go on

A double standard I have not heard any one make would be John Boenher crying . Could you imagine if Nancy Pelosi cried 1 time . [/quote]

you have got to be kidding me with this drivel… you mean bush wasnt hitler this or the Antichrist that?

and like others have said, should politics not take a back seat when A 9 YEAR OLD HAS BEEN KILLED?[/quote]

I am not talking about any of the victims , I am speaking about the nut jobs and those that incite the nut jobs . Pelosi has been criticized for being effective at her job , IMO Mr Crybaby has saome big shoes to fill.

I was asking anybody show me a you tube with main stream media claiming Bush was anything other than . I will give you a hint I would try Stewart or Colbert .
[/quote]

you said something about katie curic (sp?) earlier, but that is a poor comparison. Limbaugh, etc arent on primetime on a major network. I think it would be very easy to find someone from Air America (the lefts equivalent to talk radio where Limbaugh and his ilk are) bad mouthing Bush. i am a burning DVDs right now, so my machine is too slow to go on a hunt right now, but when they are done I shall start digging. It shouldnt be hard with the likes of franken and garofilo having had an outlet for their* blathering…

*edit: there, their, whats the difference?

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[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]JoeGood wrote:
Politics in the US have been hijacked by rightwing nutjobs and leftwing nutjobs. All discourse has been reduced to those two sides yelling at each. Unless this changes we are going to see more of this, not less.[/quote]

I will agree there are left wing nut jobs , but they are not near as main stream as the right wing nuts are .The president is a Nazi , Socialist , Gay,Muslim,a bad Christian not born in America. I am sure I could go on

A double standard I have not heard any one make would be John Boenher crying . Could you imagine if Nancy Pelosi cried 1 time . [/quote]

you have got to be kidding me with this drivel… you mean bush wasnt hitler this or the Antichrist that?

and like others have said, should politics not take a back seat when A 9 YEAR OLD HAS BEEN KILLED?[/quote]

I am not talking about any of the victims , I am speaking about the nut jobs and those that incite the nut jobs . Pelosi has been criticized for being effective at her job , IMO Mr Crybaby has saome big shoes to fill.

I was asking anybody show me a you tube with main stream media claiming Bush was anything other than . I will give you a hint I would try Stewart or Colbert .
[/quote]

you said something about katie curic (sp?) earlier, but that is a poor comparison. Limbaugh, etc arent on primetime on a major network. I think it would be very easy to find someone from Air America (the lefts equivalent to talk radio where Limbaugh and his ilk are) bad mouthing Bush. i am a burning DVDs right now, so my machine is too slow to go on a hunt right now, but when they are done I shall start digging. It shouldnt be hard with the likes of franken and garofilo having had an outlet for there blathering…[/quote]

Please do , I know we have some left wing nuts out there , but nothing as mainstreme as the right

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[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:
*edit: there, their, whats the difference?[/quote]

Their is possessive - That is their car.
They’re is they are abbreviated.
There is for the rest of the times that the other two don’t apply.
Gosh I’m smart.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:
Can’t any of you let politics go for a second and show sympathy for a senseless act of violence? (Both Republicans and Democrats where killed he was a crazy guy and like others have said watch his youtube video’s, he was all over the place in his talks.)[/quote]

Why? How can you (or anyone else) act like the absolute hatred of left vs right wing has nothing at all to do with this? Didn’t Palin recently release an ad with gunsights on a bunch of democratic districts, including this very one?

I couldn’t give a fuck about the left or the right, but it seems obvious to me that the absolutely appalling behavior of right and left wing pundits leads DIRECTLY to a tragedy like this. No one is trying to turn it into some kind of left/right debate - only pointing out what the OBVIOUS cause of something like this is.

If we do not address this, and start making people accountable for the incendiary hate speech that flows from both sides on a fucking DAILY BASIS…well lets just say you can expect a lot more of this sick shit.

A 9 year old girl died - who gives a fuck about the goddamned politics? But this country needs to get its collective head out of its collective ass and start seeing the consequences of this ridiculous behavior…[/quote]

Switch to decaff dude…

I think you are shooting flies with an elephant gun here. The kid was beyond disturbed, this isn’t about speech from the left or right. He checked out of reality and flew off the handle. Unbelievably horrible yes, but this kid’s filter was either broken or missing. He lost a grip on what is right and wrong. Hate is a natural human emotion by the way, acting on it is a whole other Oprah.

[/quote]

When you are dealing with billions of people there are going to be many with broken minds.When people make absurd claims there are going to be many that believe these absurd claims.

I personally think it to be absurd to think it a good thing to kill illegal immigrants as they cross the border. Besides being MORALLY REPULSIVE the point of an American citizen crossing and getting killed and suing for a quadrillion dollars, it is also a bad business decision.

[/quote]

We are not dealing with many broken minds, just one in this specific situation.

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[quote]bonerjams98 wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Save your breath guys - The left is totally blind. I’m waiting for Nancy Pelosi or one of the goons on the left to start blaming Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh for this. There is no end to their vile hatred.

But, why hasn’t it been touted that the killer was an atheist? From what I’ve read he was a very staunch atheist. Does anyone think that MSNBC or any of the other mainstream liberal media outlets will be talking about this?

Not a chance.[/quote]

Vile hatred? Jesus, relax man. Again, all current evidence points to him being completely nuts. Just opining here, but from his videos it looks like he’s got a thought disorder. I’m sure what he wrote makes complete sense to him, and I’ll bet he can’t see why it wouldn’t make sense to someone else either. dude’s a psycho. what’s the atheism got to do with it? a christian has never killed anyone?[/quote]

I work at the Jail in Tucson and I hope for the shooters sake that he really is batshit crazy because in my pod I have more than a few inmates that have said they would “take care” of him if he was housed with them. What sucks is he probably wont go to trial for at least a year so we will have deal with this POS until then. [/quote]

He will now and forever be in protective custody. Come on man, if you really are a CO you would know this.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:
Can’t any of you let politics go for a second and show sympathy for a senseless act of violence? (Both Republicans and Democrats where killed he was a crazy guy and like others have said watch his youtube video’s, he was all over the place in his talks.)[/quote]

Why? How can you (or anyone else) act like the absolute hatred of left vs right wing has nothing at all to do with this? Didn’t Palin recently release an ad with gunsights on a bunch of democratic districts, including this very one?

I couldn’t give a fuck about the left or the right, but it seems obvious to me that the absolutely appalling behavior of right and left wing pundits leads DIRECTLY to a tragedy like this. No one is trying to turn it into some kind of left/right debate - only pointing out what the OBVIOUS cause of something like this is.

If we do not address this, and start making people accountable for the incendiary hate speech that flows from both sides on a fucking DAILY BASIS…well lets just say you can expect a lot more of this sick shit.

A 9 year old girl died - who gives a fuck about the goddamned politics? But this country needs to get its collective head out of its collective ass and start seeing the consequences of this ridiculous behavior…[/quote]

Switch to decaff dude…

I think you are shooting flies with an elephant gun here. The kid was beyond disturbed, this isn’t about speech from the left or right. He checked out of reality and flew off the handle. Unbelievably horrible yes, but this kid’s filter was either broken or missing. He lost a grip on what is right and wrong. Hate is a natural human emotion by the way, acting on it is a whole other Oprah.

[/quote]

When you are dealing with billions of people there are going to be many with broken minds.When people make absurd claims there are going to be many that believe these absurd claims.

I personally think it to be absurd to think it a good thing to kill illegal immigrants as they cross the border. Besides being MORALLY REPULSIVE the point of an American citizen crossing and getting killed and suing for a quadrillion dollars, it is also a bad business decision.

[/quote]

We are not dealing with many broken minds, just one in this specific situation. [/quote]

true

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[quote]bonerjams98 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]bonerjams98 wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Save your breath guys - The left is totally blind. I’m waiting for Nancy Pelosi or one of the goons on the left to start blaming Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh for this. There is no end to their vile hatred.

But, why hasn’t it been touted that the killer was an atheist? From what I’ve read he was a very staunch atheist. Does anyone think that MSNBC or any of the other mainstream liberal media outlets will be talking about this?

Not a chance.[/quote]

Vile hatred? Jesus, relax man. Again, all current evidence points to him being completely nuts. Just opining here, but from his videos it looks like he’s got a thought disorder. I’m sure what he wrote makes complete sense to him, and I’ll bet he can’t see why it wouldn’t make sense to someone else either. dude’s a psycho. what’s the atheism got to do with it? a christian has never killed anyone?[/quote]

I work at the Jail in Tucson and I hope for the shooters sake that he really is batshit crazy because in my pod I have more than a few inmates that have said they would “take care” of him if he was housed with them. What sucks is he probably wont go to trial for at least a year so we will have deal with this POS until then. [/quote]

Inmate justice huh? As if what most of them did to earn a ticket to the big house was so much better than what this nut did.
[/quote]

I have at least 10 people waiting for trial for murder, most of them though killed other bangers or dealers. This guy killed 6 innocent people, including a child and that is where the inmates draw the line. When a child is involved it doesn’t matter how big of a scumbag you are that person is worse in the mind of the inmates.

with that being said I don’t like the idea of inmate justice, its just writing a wrong with another[/quote]

I understand what you’re saying but I have ZERO respect for how some dirt bag sitting in prison views criminal activity. Some rapist murderer thinks that this guy is worse than he is? Ha.

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[quote]siouxperman wrote:
<<< Vile hatred? Jesus, relax man. Again, all current evidence points to him being completely nuts. >>>[/quote]Which will be the exact reason they give for needing to silence “right wing extremists” like Beck and Limbaugh. Mark my words.

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Will we be able to get out this coming week without some crazy fruit loop from MSNBC (or some other MSLM outlet) saying this had something to do with Glenn Beck, Rush or Hannity? I doubt it. They make me sick.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
<<< Vile hatred? Jesus, relax man. Again, all current evidence points to him being completely nuts. >>>[/quote]Which will be the exact reason they give for needing to silence “right wing extremists” like Beck and Limbaugh. Mark my words.
[/quote]

Limbaugh has made a 20+ year career out of predicting this… don’t hold your breath.

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Some crazy fruit loops just do not get it :slight_smile:

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[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
<<< Vile hatred? Jesus, relax man. Again, all current evidence points to him being completely nuts. >>>[/quote]Which will be the exact reason they give for needing to silence “right wing extremists” like Beck and Limbaugh. Mark my words.
[/quote]

Limbaugh has made a 20+ year career out of predicting this… don’t hold your breath. [/quote]I don’t know Limbaugh to be renowned for predicting anything like this. Beck has yes. I’m not giving you a hard time, but I listened to him for 3 straight years in the early 90’s and here and there since. I’ve never heard him say violence was on the way. I don’t think.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Will we be able to get out this coming week without some crazy fruit loop from MSNBC (or some other MSLM outlet) saying this had something to do with Glenn Beck, Rush or Hannity? I doubt it. They make me sick.[/quote]

It’s already happened. Olbermann had a shitload of thinly veiled references to the Tea Party last night. If I was on my A game, I would’ve counted how many times they got mentioned.

Oh, and if this couldn’t any worse, guess what church is planning on a road trip to AZ.

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[quote]bonerjams98 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]bonerjams98 wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Save your breath guys - The left is totally blind. I’m waiting for Nancy Pelosi or one of the goons on the left to start blaming Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh for this. There is no end to their vile hatred.

But, why hasn’t it been touted that the killer was an atheist? From what I’ve read he was a very staunch atheist. Does anyone think that MSNBC or any of the other mainstream liberal media outlets will be talking about this?

Not a chance.[/quote]

Vile hatred? Jesus, relax man. Again, all current evidence points to him being completely nuts. Just opining here, but from his videos it looks like he’s got a thought disorder. I’m sure what he wrote makes complete sense to him, and I’ll bet he can’t see why it wouldn’t make sense to someone else either. dude’s a psycho. what’s the atheism got to do with it? a christian has never killed anyone?[/quote]

I work at the Jail in Tucson and I hope for the shooters sake that he really is batshit crazy because in my pod I have more than a few inmates that have said they would “take care” of him if he was housed with them. What sucks is he probably wont go to trial for at least a year so we will have deal with this POS until then. [/quote]

Inmate justice huh? As if what most of them did to earn a ticket to the big house was so much better than what this nut did.
[/quote]

I have at least 10 people waiting for trial for murder, most of them though killed other bangers or dealers. This guy killed 6 innocent people, including a child and that is where the inmates draw the line. When a child is involved it doesn’t matter how big of a scumbag you are that person is worse in the mind of the inmates.

with that being said I don’t like the idea of inmate justice, its just writing a wrong with another[/quote]

I love inmate justice. I love the idea that a man can get royally fucked up for reaching across another man’s tray in the chow hall. I like that they will police themselves, in most of the time what I call a more truthful implementation of justice than a court would ever impose.

The level of courtesy and respect in those places is so high, you have no choice but to watch where you step and tread lightly. You see, there used to be a time when people didn’t act like fools because there was a consequence. You see people in society acting horribly, talking shit, stealing things, lying, cheating, etc. You know as well as I do what happens if you do that in the joint. You sign your own death warrant.

This guy will be PC’d up for the rest of his life most likely, but they can still get him. Whether the guard gets paid off to look the other way when the trustee brings him his food while in the hole, or some other way. He will get his, this kid is a walking corpse.

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[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

edit: they also need to figure out where this guy got the gun.[/quote]

If we walk away with one lesson let it be that criminals always find a way to get a gun. Stricter gun control laws will only keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. [/quote]

I agree. I tried not to frame it in the context of stricter gun control. More wondering if it was provided to him, or if it was improperly stored at home. Reports were that he lived with his parents.[/quote]

The gun was legally bought and registered in his name.