OMG. It’s like talking to a monkey. The only thing I said you can’t look at the same way is theteeth and I gave very tangible reasons for that. We evolved with tools in a way that no other animal has. We used cutting and tearing tools that remarkably resemble the teeth of carnivores. We also cooked and probably preserved much of that meat making our “plant eating teeth” useful for chewing meat.
But again, you are only picking out 1 of dozens of points to argue with. Even if you didn’t throw out looking at our teeth, you didn’t point out anything to contradict our entire gut structure and environment being suited for meat. It doesn’t even matter if our teeth CAN chew plants, if we can’t digest them well.
And again, I’m not a zealot on this stuff. I’m answering the actual question. Do you need plants to be healthy? NO, you do not. We existing for millions of years largely without them and grew our brains and became human while doing so. That isn’t the same as the claim you can’t be healthy and eat plants. A claim I don’t believe or espouse.
Almost all carnivores are omnivores. Even wolves eat plants. The trouble is that you wouldn’t make a wolf eat a plant based diet as a healthier alternative. Meat is still the best thing for wolves.
Me either, even very recently my opinion has shifted quite a bit with my own experience. But a specific question was asked. Do you have to eat plants? Having to eat plants to be healthy is the extreme statement in this case. One that isn’t backed up by the science or logic.
Well, I already did with my previous post, but to clarify- No, plants are not necessary and neither is meat, but both sides of that statement are qualified as being a compromise.
Nor is it necessary under normal health conditions to eliminate either one.
Neither, much of my information about nutrition come from listening to fitness/nutrition podcasts, specifically Stronger by Science, Iron Radio and stuff Eric Helms is on. I’m not a scientist and they interpret and explain studies at a level that I can understand. If I were to attempt to interpret studies myself, there’s a chance I would grossly misinterpret them… and I’ve tried
Also,It takes me an hour or two to get a good understanding of studies in my own field, one that I’m relatively more familiar with and is significantly less complicated. I’m not sufficiently invested in fitness/nutrition to spend that kind of time
You cannot live a fully healthy life without plants? Which plants are absolutely necessary for optimum health? How much longer or healthy would you be switching from carnivore to omnivore? What studies do you have that support this?
Like I said previously, I’m not the one arguing the extreme point.
If you want canonical evidence or studies that support my position, I’d say start looking at the AHA, ADA, or any other nationally recognized, medically accepted governing body.
Listen. There is little to no direct data on a modern carnivore diet. And diet information in science is riddled with huge gaping issues. If you eat nose to tail, based on our evolution, you will probably do just fine without plants. The science doesn’t exist for making the claim that any single diet will make you live longer or healthier. Anyone who tells the general population, you have to do X or you will die early is full of it.
So you aren’t claiming you HAVE to eat plants to be perfectly healthy? If that’s the case, we agree and I don’t know why you are trying to start crap with me. You haven’t refuted a single point I’ve made. I’ve already done that research and presented what I believe roughly here as it pertains to the question at hand.
Cutting through the rhetoric, misguided logic and farce that these wonderful threads invariably descend into, the initial question was ‘Are Vegetables Necessary?’ The simple answer is ‘no’. In fact, vegetables are neither necessary nor sufficient for optimum human health.
Well. You seem to have the answers to that with regard to vegetables. I just take the governing bodies who study these things word for it.
Not only is this not my area of study or expertise, I’m not even remotely equipped to march against literally thousands of degreed professionals who dedicate their lives to understanding the subject.
You use physical science every day professionally, then the topic of food comes up and your ready to load up the cannons of bullshit and take the hill at Herp-Derpistan.
