Yes, I see it now. It’s exactly the study I was expecting to see. The guys who have ‘high E2’ but are deficient in testosterone. Of course they are symptomatic! The docs in our group laugh at this study as being one of the dumbest ones they’ve seen. Why couldn’t they have optimized these men’s testosterone levels first and THEN assessed if E2 caused any issues? Guess what? It wouldn’t have.
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It’s been discussed… to get it into a forum. It may very well go that route at one point. For right now it’s accessed through Facebook only unfortunately.
Yes… Most of the docs like to optimize all the hormones. In your case I’d just take 50mg of DHEA daily and it will definitely help with things ‘under the hood’, so to speak.
Bummer. Let me know if it ever goes that way. Until then I’ll keep up with you guys through here and watch the videos as they come out on YouTube.
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Steven is putting out a ton of great content these days. We do several live podcasts with either a group of experts or with actual docs and you can post questions directly in the chat box for everyone to respond to.
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Your humble disagreement is just an opinion (and a wrong one at that and not based on evidence based medicine). It is a side effect of testosterone. All these “estrogen symptoms” are really side effects of testosterone and definitely Hcg (it’s not LH). It’s amazing how most of us who understand the benefits of estrogen have no patients with “estrogen symptoms “.
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Not so fast my friend. Don’t associate the negative effects of baseline high estradiol levels in men with what occurs when you raise estradiol levels by giving testosterone. Totally different animals. Same as giving thyroid does not cause the same issues as one would have who has true hyperthyroidism (Graves’ disease). So baseline high thyroid or Graves’ disease bad…giving thyroid doesn’t cause Graves’ disease so good. Same damn thing for estradiol. You can’t mix what happens at baseline with what occurs when you give testosterone.
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Guys, you don’t know who yeti308 is. You should do whatever he says. Just trust me on that one.
This may be shocking to you. But an 42. Inject 90 mg a week divided in 2 injections. Free t about 15-17. Total about 600 on trough .
My only complaint is I an either retaining water around my belly or have accumulated fat. This is my most frustrating thing. Am 6’1 weigh 187 pounds. It is not attractive at all. Any ideas?
I feel very good. Have energy. Libido.
I do take 5 mg Cialis daily. Helps with my slighly elevated BP too. I also take allopurinol for many years for uric acid in urine (not gout)
@dbossa
Two questions:
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Are you taking an AI?
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Can you do more frequent injections?
That’s like saying death is a side effect of life.
Aren’t you blessed. You may be benefitting too much right now. With that attitude, no wonder you have no patients.
No ai. My e2 was just under 30 before the 25mg dhea I started.
I guess I can inject more frequently. I rather tbh inject more mg then more frequent but an open
Thanks for this. Good stuff.
@The_Myth if you only knew who you were talking to, you’d be embarrassed right now.
@charlie12 you calculate your dose based on what you take a week. Increase your overall weekly dose and then just divide by 7. Smaller and more frequent doses will always outperform larger and less frequent ones.
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I just don’t understand why Cypionate that has a 7 day half life. 2x a week should be more than enough
I agree it makes no sense. Yet everybody feel better on daily and has more stable levels. I WISH I could inject one a week, or once a month, or once a year! Unfortunately, daily has become quite obviously the best method.
Good study’s provided by hardartery , but my question was … can you show me anything that proves what your video is claiming ?? “Men in their early 20s have e2 levels of 75-100”
What’s up yeti ? So , if I drop the ai , and my e2 levels rise ( which I’m sure is the issue based on past expirence with testosterone and not using an AI), why should I also drop hcg ?
Thanks !
Hcg complicates everything. Yeti will tell you the same thing. Unless you don’t need to be fertile right NOW, ditch it.
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