No need to complicate this. I think some of you should watch some national level competitors train. There’s tons of videos out there. They pretty much all do compounds AND isolation exercises, not either or.
There’s no point in trying to reinvent the wheel when it comes to bodybuilding in regards to training
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]plateau wrote:
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
IMO biceps and shoulders are really the only isolation exercises you NEED to do…everything else can generally be targeted with compounds.
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I’d probably add calves into the needing iso-work, but agree with the other two![/quote]
YEAH!! No hamstring curls! They suck. No direct forearms work even if yours are tiny. They suck too. No pec deck flyes or anything else but pressing movements! No triceps pressdowns!! No front raises!!!
I have been clearly doing this wrong and will wait for you guys to correct my horrid habit of doing whatever is necessary.[/quote]
Hamstrings dont get hit from squats/RDLs?
Forearms dont get hit from biceps curls/rows/other back exercises?
Triceps/chest/front deltoids dont get hit from a variety of pressing movements?
Obviously I’m not gonna say you’re doing it wrong, but I dont think telling a 158 pound individual to “stick to mostly compound exercises” is steering him wrong.
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
Hamstrings dont get hit from squats/RDLs?[/quote]
Wait…so the problem here is you think “hitting” a muscle group indirectly is all you need for OPTIMAL GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT?
Uh, yeah, we’ll see who has better hamstrings after 5 years…the guy who ONLY did squats or the guy who did squats, hamstring curls and whatever else he needed. Hell, calves are flexing too during a squat so no reason to ever train them, huh?
lolz
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Forearms dont get hit from biceps curls/rows/other back exercises?[/quote]
Wow. Please post pictures of your own development. I personally don’t need to train forearms for them to look the way they do. Others will. Dummies think this is either or.
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Triceps/chest/front deltoids dont get hit from a variety of pressing movements?[/quote]
Once again, the goal isn’t to just “hit” a muscle group. It is to train it so it grows fast like everything else.
Hmmm, it is if you try to make it seem like you don’t need isolation exercises. That bullshit never made sense. Why would someone tell a newb to AVOID one and only focus on another?.
[quote]sloh wrote:
No need to complicate this. I think some of you should watch some national level competitors train. There’s tons of videos out there. They pretty much all do compounds AND isolation exercises, not either or.
There’s no point in trying to reinvent the wheel when it comes to bodybuilding in regards to training[/quote]
Aaaah, what do you know! You’re just…extremely developed and built a ton of size in just the last few years.
isolation done right are definately underrated. problem is most people do isolations wrong.
[quote]putter2712 wrote:
isolation done right are definately underrated. problem is most people do isolations wrong. [/quote]
Most people do everything wrong. How did isolation movements beomcome a target?
Most people probably shouldn’t be in a gym with heavy equipment to start with.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]putter2712 wrote:
isolation done right are definately underrated. problem is most people do isolations wrong. [/quote]
Most people do everything wrong. How did isolation movements beomcome a target?
Most people probably shouldn’t be in a gym with heavy equipment to start with.[/quote]
couldn’t agree more
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
I do isolation exercises for every muscle group, every time I train.[/quote]
x 2
I dont understand the “anti isolation movement” that seems to be gaining steam. It just doesnt make sense
Here’s what I picked up so far.
Compounds: Necessary. Important to train the Nervous System. Improves strength overall. Teaches muscles to contract when needed.
Isolation: Help lagging parts catch up. Important part of a complete routine as well.
Combine both for best results.
Thanks for the help.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
I do isolation exercises for every muscle group, every time I train.[/quote]
x 2
I dont understand the “anti isolation movement” that seems to be gaining steam. It just doesnt make sense[/quote]
It’s fashionable to be against something.
I like to lift weights.
[quote]Venks wrote:
Here’s what I picked up so far.
Compounds: Necessary. Important to train the Nervous System. Improves strength overall. Teaches muscles to contract when needed.
Isolation: Help lagging parts catch up. Important part of a complete routine as well.
Combine both for best results.
Thanks for the help.
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LOL
All lifting: Necessary
Anyone dividing this shit up to make one group seem better than another: Unnecessary.
[quote]BiP wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
I do isolation exercises for every muscle group, every time I train.[/quote]
x 2
I dont understand the “anti isolation movement” that seems to be gaining steam. It just doesnt make sense[/quote]
It’s fashionable to be against something.[/quote]
Kinda like that hat you’re wearing in your avatar? 
Fair enough.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]BiP wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
I do isolation exercises for every muscle group, every time I train.[/quote]
x 2
I dont understand the “anti isolation movement” that seems to be gaining steam. It just doesnt make sense[/quote]
It’s fashionable to be against something.[/quote]
Kinda like that hat you’re wearing in your avatar? :)[/quote]
Kind of
Sadly it’s not my hat and I haven’t seen it in three or four years 
to the OP. How big did you expect your arms and all to be at 140?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
IMO biceps and shoulders are really the only isolation exercises you NEED to do…everything else can generally be targeted with compounds.
[/quote]
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Would love to see the physiques this has built compared to people who do whatever is needed instead of drawing lines in the sand.[/quote]
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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
to the OP. How big did you expect your arms and all to be at 140?
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Yeah, I feel like the “hypothetical” weights lifted and description of the OP’s weight gain in the beginning were pretty glaring clues as to what the larger problem is.
[quote]MickyGee wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
to the OP. How big did you expect your arms and all to be at 140?
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Yeah, I feel like the “hypothetical” weights lifted and description of the OP’s weight gain in the beginning were pretty glaring clues as to what the larger problem is.[/quote]
Not contributing to the actual topic.
Edit: I have to clarify. This is not a “help me” thread. I want an experienced weightlifter/bodybuilder to give me his/her perspective on EMG/Muscle contraction/growth potential+ response on Isolation Exercises.
I read from time and again on forums to only focus on compound exercises and I need some answers.
@Double Deuce: I was 110. Anybody can notice changes to the body when a person gains 30 lbs. Virtually nothing grew in the arms.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
IMO biceps and shoulders are really the only isolation exercises you NEED to do…everything else can generally be targeted with compounds.
[/quote]
?
Would love to see the physiques this has built compared to people who do whatever is needed instead of drawing lines in the sand.[/quote]
All I’m saying is that I–me personally–found better results by dropping exercises like triceps pushdowns and flies, and focusing my efforts on close-grip and decline presses.
I dont intend to draw any lines, just trying to help the OP
