“the universe is composed of vibrations that is(sic) solidified”
i made it that far, this guy is a FUCKING MORON
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Teledin wrote:
[quote]Samir wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
This whole thing reminds me of a buddy of mine that had a buddy that would go to the bar and walk around asking girls if they wanted to fuck back at his place.
i thought it weird, but my buddy said that 10% of the time his buddy got laid…but I said yeah, but he’s getting laid by the kind of girls that shit would work on. [/quote]
The typical “approach machine” strategy. It has its place.
The problem with the game, as it were, is that it completely flips the role of women in a man’s life. A man should always be striving for himself, and get women as a sort of result of that. The biggest players are also the guys who never gave a shat if a woman approved of them or not.
I get that the true masters are trying to sell a “state of mind” or a “lifestyle” in which women is a natural consequence; but in truth, most of them just create a droid army of guys with odd clothing and silly routines, who need approval of women, in order to get approval of men (“Bro, I smashed this HB9.5…”).
With time I’ve kind of realized 99.9% of women in general are a waste of time and I’d rather put that time into me. The Game was good practice at talking to people, but I’ve applied those skills towards networking, connecting with others and advancing my own career. Natrually if I come across a cute brunette, I’ll “open”, but I’d rather put that time into me (lifting, career, reading, etc.)[/quote]
This should be a life sticky.
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My guess is this dude, whether or not people want to believe/like it, fucks hot chicks on a regular basis. AND he’s making money off idiots who want short cuts to doing what he’s doing.
Cool. He’s got the qualities it takes to do exactly that.
He’s also an idiot. Obviously lacking a legitimate education with all his BS stuff that appeals to a lot of women.
It’s an empty shell of a life. You know what else gets girls? Strength in mind, body, and soul. Or put another way, just plain being awesome. What’s cool about being awesome is that you get more than girls.
You get exactly the girl you’re looking for, rather than a bunch of girls temporarily who just plain aren’t it.
You get the job you want, because you’ve cultivated your mind and body to be truly alpha, and are…wait for it… actually qualified.
You get the house you want, because your awesome job pays for it.
The list goes on.
This is why most of TNATION responds unfavorably to this guy’s videos. The overwhelming philosophy here centers around patience and work ethic. It’s why we hit PR’s in the gym, why we succeed in our chosen endeavors in the gym and out. We’re willing to put in the WORK that is required for a less ephemeral lifestyle.
Anyway, just some thoughts on why what this guy does is less awesome than what it looks like to the masses.
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
“the universe is composed of vibrations that is(sic) solidified”
i made it that far, this guy is a FUCKING MORON[/quote]
I truly believe a part of me would die forever if I ever said something like that.
[quote]Samir wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
This whole thing reminds me of a buddy of mine that had a buddy that would go to the bar and walk around asking girls if they wanted to fuck back at his place.
i thought it weird, but my buddy said that 10% of the time his buddy got laid…but I said yeah, but he’s getting laid by the kind of girls that shit would work on. [/quote]
The typical “approach machine” strategy. It has its place.
The problem with the game, as it were, is that it completely flips the role of women in a man’s life. A man should always be striving for himself, and get women as a sort of result of that. The biggest players are also the guys who never gave a shat if a woman approved of them or not.
I get that the true masters are trying to sell a “state of mind” or a “lifestyle” in which women is a natural consequence; but in truth, most of them just create a droid army of guys with odd clothing and silly routines, who need approval of women, in order to get approval of men (“Bro, I smashed this HB9.5…”).
With time I’ve kind of realized 99.9% of women in general are a waste of time and I’d rather put that time into me. The Game was good practice at talking to people, but I’ve applied those skills towards networking, connecting with others and advancing my own career. Natrually if I come across a cute brunette, I’ll “open”, but I’d rather put that time into me (lifting, career, reading, etc.)[/quote]
QFT Samir you nailed it with this.
[quote]bcingu wrote:
Creepy, full of shit, and obviously gay b[/b].[/quote]
lol, reminds me of Seinfeld
[quote]Samir wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
This whole thing reminds me of a buddy of mine that had a buddy that would go to the bar and walk around asking girls if they wanted to fuck back at his place.
i thought it weird, but my buddy said that 10% of the time his buddy got laid…but I said yeah, but he’s getting laid by the kind of girls that shit would work on. [/quote]
The typical “approach machine” strategy. It has its place.
The problem with the game, as it were, is that it completely flips the role of women in a man’s life. A man should always be striving for himself, and get women as a sort of result of that. The biggest players are also the guys who never gave a shat if a woman approved of them or not.
I get that the true masters are trying to sell a “state of mind” or a “lifestyle” in which women is a natural consequence; but in truth, most of them just create a droid army of guys with odd clothing and silly routines, who need approval of women, in order to get approval of men (“Bro, I smashed this HB9.5…”).
With time I’ve kind of realized 99.9% of women in general are a waste of time and I’d rather put that time into me. The Game was good practice at talking to people, but I’ve applied those skills towards networking, connecting with others and advancing my own career. Natrually if I come across a cute brunette, I’ll “open”, but I’d rather put that time into me (lifting, career, reading, etc.)[/quote]
This. I will remember this life-lesson now I’m going to my 3rd yr of college.
Bro, if we were in a bar I’d buy you a beer.
I don’t trust anybody with a head tattoo.
CS
[quote]TheKraken wrote:
[quote]GCF wrote:
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
This guy gets losers to pay attention to his BS and gets money for it. So he wins, good for him, but any slack jawed gastropods that need his help should just hang themselves. [/quote]
Touche[/quote]
Call ole’ fashion, but nail polish and a lisp points to a severe case of the “the ghey.” I submit that he knows how to pick up women becuase he has been picked up by a lot of men. [/quote]
Ah, good old reverse engineering.
I have followed Adam Lyons system before, It is the same thing with anything else in life, It takes PRACTICE, Sure they have routines and all that in certain places but the real results come when you can put in the serious time and effort getting well at what you do…
Does anybody else feel that the whole PUA thing is tantamount to guys tricking girls, who would otherwise have no interest in them, into sleeping with them through the use of a bunch of gimmicks? Absolutely reeks of insecurity.
[quote]rcsermas wrote:
Does anybody else feel that the whole PUA thing is tantamount to guys tricking girls, who would otherwise have no interest in them, into sleeping with them through the use of a bunch of gimmicks? Absolutely reeks of insecurity.[/quote]
So there’s nothing wrong with a guy who can naturally approach women easily, but if a guy has to consciously learn it he is “tricking” girls and using gimmicks?
I think the “whole PUA thing” covers a pretty large sector of people and methods. Is some gimmicky? It’s likely. Is some more legitimate? Probably. I think some of each kind probably works depending on the woman and the individual applying the techniques. There is nothing wrong with someone trying to better himself, though.
[quote]rcsermas wrote:
Does anybody else feel that the whole PUA thing is tantamount to guys tricking girls, who would otherwise have no interest in them, into sleeping with them through the use of a bunch of gimmicks? Absolutely reeks of insecurity.[/quote]
I will just leave this here.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]rcsermas wrote:
Does anybody else feel that the whole PUA thing is tantamount to guys tricking girls, who would otherwise have no interest in them, into sleeping with them through the use of a bunch of gimmicks? Absolutely reeks of insecurity.[/quote]
I will just leave this here.[/quote]
I cannot begin to describe how awesome that video was. I know I never really knew how much effort women went through to make themselves look hot until the first time I lived with one.
[quote]NAUn wrote:
[quote]rcsermas wrote:
Does anybody else feel that the whole PUA thing is tantamount to guys tricking girls, who would otherwise have no interest in them, into sleeping with them through the use of a bunch of gimmicks? Absolutely reeks of insecurity.[/quote]
So there’s nothing wrong with a guy who can naturally approach women easily, but if a guy has to consciously learn it he is “tricking” girls and using gimmicks?
I think the “whole PUA thing” covers a pretty large sector of people and methods. Is some gimmicky? It’s likely. Is some more legitimate? Probably. I think some of each kind probably works depending on the woman and the individual applying the techniques. There is nothing wrong with someone trying to better himself, though. [/quote]
Agreed. Some guys learned very young how to talk and flirt with women and all anyone says is “well he’s just naturally good with women”. Yet if a guy later in life realizes he doesn’t know how to talk to a girl and decides he wants to improve, he’s labelled a “loser” or “creep”.
Anyone who makes fun of PUA material without ever looking at it is just bashing it based off the term and how most of society views it. Yeah, some of the material is “scripted lines and routines”, but really a lot of it talks about what confident (“alpha”) guys do and say and why exactly it’s attractive to women. It’s really beneficial to have it pointed out and explained so that a guy can realize if he’d doing or saying something that’s pushing girls away. Compare it with lifting. Yeah, you can walk into a gym and just start throwing weights around without any idea how muscle building works, but once it’s explained why people follow specific splits or routines and why you should eat the way you do, your success will skyrocket.
Seriously, guys are attracted to looks mainly and girls are attracted to confidence/status/personality mainly. Because of this, girls spend a TON of time and money on improving their appearance (make up, fake tans, hair removal, breast implants, push up bras, etc.) that are fake or not natural. Yet when a guy tries to improve his personality and confidence in a conscious effort to be more appealing to women he’s practically attacked, yet the changes he makes are in most ways more real and genuine then fake breasts (that’s assuming the guy isn’t just memorizing routines and lines and is actually trying to improve himself)
One could argue girls “trick” guys to sleep with them by fake tanning, fake nails, breast implants, and make up. Without all of that, a lot of girls (like 99.9%) would be less attractive. PUA isn’t “tricking” someone into sleeping with you. It’s about learning about attraction and learning how to display YOUR qualities in a way to trigger it.
That said, the gimmicky or scripted part of PUA is really stupid and should be avoided. A lot of the core concepts and knowledge is useful for guys who aren’t great with women. Believe it or not, there are guys who have NO idea how to flirt or tease a girl. PUA stuff can help there.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]rcsermas wrote:
Does anybody else feel that the whole PUA thing is tantamount to guys tricking girls, who would otherwise have no interest in them, into sleeping with them through the use of a bunch of gimmicks? Absolutely reeks of insecurity.[/quote]
I will just leave this here.[/quote]
Didn’t even see this posted before my post, but yeah PUA “tricking” girls into sleeping with them, yet girls commonly do stuff like this? I wonder how many more guys think she’s hot at the end compared to the beginning…
[quote]rcsermas wrote:
Does anybody else feel that the whole PUA thing is tantamount to guys tricking girls, who would otherwise have no interest in them, into sleeping with them through the use of a bunch of gimmicks? Absolutely reeks of insecurity.[/quote]
Of course it reeks of insecurity. That the reason they can’t get women to begin with is they are too insecure.
You could probably say the same thing for 99% of bodybuilders.
In the end it’s all about self-improvement which stems from insecurities.
[quote]fisch wrote:
Didn’t even see this posted before my post, but yeah PUA “tricking” girls into sleeping with them, yet girls commonly do stuff like this? I wonder how many more guys think she’s hot at the end compared to the beginning…[/quote]
In the end, it will come down to age and experience. Most of us guys that have had long term relationships and lived with women and just plain been around for a while know that women do not look like that 24/7 and how much effort they have to put into looking like that. I did not see much of a difference because I could tell from looking at her without her makeup and hair done what she would look like afterward.
This works the other way too, older women who are more mature and have been around for a while know when they are dealing with a phony who is just putting on an act (or is not putting on an act and is still just looking to get her into bed) to get her in bed and never call her again.
The bottom line is that this PUA stuff does work for getting one night stands so if that is all you want, fine, but it will not help you in finding a fulfilling relationship with a woman, that takes a different kind of skill set.
If you do not believe me, try pulling this PUA stuff on women in their late 20s or into their 30s. I can tell you what kind of results you will get.
[quote]rcsermas wrote:
Does anybody else feel that the whole PUA thing is tantamount to guys tricking girls, who would otherwise have no interest in them, into sleeping with them through the use of a bunch of gimmicks? Absolutely reeks of insecurity.[/quote]
The pick up guys who sell their programs never trick women.
They trick males.
[quote]fisch wrote:
[quote]NAUn wrote:
[quote]rcsermas wrote:
Does anybody else feel that the whole PUA thing is tantamount to guys tricking girls, who would otherwise have no interest in them, into sleeping with them through the use of a bunch of gimmicks? Absolutely reeks of insecurity.[/quote]
So there’s nothing wrong with a guy who can naturally approach women easily, but if a guy has to consciously learn it he is “tricking” girls and using gimmicks?
I think the “whole PUA thing” covers a pretty large sector of people and methods. Is some gimmicky? It’s likely. Is some more legitimate? Probably. I think some of each kind probably works depending on the woman and the individual applying the techniques. There is nothing wrong with someone trying to better himself, though. [/quote]
Agreed. Some guys learned very young how to talk and flirt with women and all anyone says is “well he’s just naturally good with women”. Yet if a guy later in life realizes he doesn’t know how to talk to a girl and decides he wants to improve, he’s labelled a “loser” or “creep”.
Anyone who makes fun of PUA material without ever looking at it is just bashing it based off the term and how most of society views it. Yeah, some of the material is “scripted lines and routines”, but really a lot of it talks about what confident (“alpha”) guys do and say and why exactly it’s attractive to women. It’s really beneficial to have it pointed out and explained so that a guy can realize if he’d doing or saying something that’s pushing girls away. Compare it with lifting. Yeah, you can walk into a gym and just start throwing weights around without any idea how muscle building works, but once it’s explained why people follow specific splits or routines and why you should eat the way you do, your success will skyrocket.
Seriously, guys are attracted to looks mainly and girls are attracted to confidence/status/personality mainly. Because of this, girls spend a TON of time and money on improving their appearance (make up, fake tans, hair removal, breast implants, push up bras, etc.) that are fake or not natural. Yet when a guy tries to improve his personality and confidence in a conscious effort to be more appealing to women he’s practically attacked, yet the changes he makes are in most ways more real and genuine then fake breasts (that’s assuming the guy isn’t just memorizing routines and lines and is actually trying to improve himself)
One could argue girls “trick” guys to sleep with them by fake tanning, fake nails, breast implants, and make up. Without all of that, a lot of girls (like 99.9%) would be less attractive. PUA isn’t “tricking” someone into sleeping with you. It’s about learning about attraction and learning how to display YOUR qualities in a way to trigger it.
That said, the gimmicky or scripted part of PUA is really stupid and should be avoided. A lot of the core concepts and knowledge is useful for guys who aren’t great with women. Believe it or not, there are guys who have NO idea how to flirt or tease a girl. PUA stuff can help there.[/quote]
I’ve read their crap. It’s mostly just wannabe pseudo intellectualism.
I’ve read one or two “gems” that were just common sense. I think a better investment would be buy some old westerns or spy movies. Or… talk you your Dad/Grandpa.
Whatever happened to just going up to a woman and saying “hi”?
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]fisch wrote:
Didn’t even see this posted before my post, but yeah PUA “tricking” girls into sleeping with them, yet girls commonly do stuff like this? I wonder how many more guys think she’s hot at the end compared to the beginning…[/quote]
In the end, it will come down to age and experience. Most of us guys that have had long term relationships and lived with women and just plain been around for a while know that women do not look like that 24/7 and how much effort they have to put into looking like that. I did not see much of a difference because I could tell from looking at her without her makeup and hair done what she would look like afterward.
This works the other way too, older women who are more mature and have been around for a while know when they are dealing with a phony who is just putting on an act (or is not putting on an act and is still just looking to get her into bed) to get her in bed and never call her again.
The bottom line is that this PUA stuff does work for getting one night stands so if that is all you want, fine, but it will not help you in finding a fulfilling relationship with a woman, that takes a different kind of skill set.
If you do not believe me, try pulling this PUA stuff on women in their late 20s or into their 30s. I can tell you what kind of results you will get.
[/quote]
Yeah most guys are smart enough to know that girls look a lot different with make up on, but biologically it’s still “tricking” the guy because subconciously (I can’t spell that word for some reason) you’re still more attracted to her looks with make up, even if you know that it isn’t 100% “her”. I’d call that tricking, not that I have a problem with it. It’s just the way things are.
What I try to take away from PUA stuff when i read it (and I would never pay for it) is the psychology of attraction and what traits/mindset trigger it and WHY. I don’t mean mind games, palm reading, “negs”, and ESP “tricks” to try to impress or deceive someone, that stuff isn’t exactly improving yourself. I basically ignore a lot of the gimmicks or BS in the writing (and yeah it’s been pointed out that there are a lot). There are some great things in there though, as long as you can objectively look at it and not just blindly follow it.
Though for helping you find a long term relationship, I would argue if you learn about attraction and focus on improving your mindset, confidence, and social awareness it would definitely help. If you just try to learn routines to game women or trick them then yeah you are 100% right, good luck getting a healthy relationship.
I guess I approach anything I read about PUA with a different mindset and goal then a lot of people who are just “hoping to get laid”. I love learning about psychology and social dynamics, PUA is a different view to it then I can find anywhere else. Do I recommend people learn about ESP, “negs”, and all that? Hell no. But for someone who literally understands nothing about women it can be very beneficial to be told something more specific then “be yourself” (actually great advice, but if yourself is an unconfident, unfunny, socially unaware person you might need to improve yourself. The more you know about how attraction works, the more you can focus on certain parts of your personality)
What a lot of people forget is social skills are just that, skills. Skills can be conciously improved and worked on, one of those ways is to read about it. That’s my view and approach whenever I come across PUA stuff.
Damn I’ve typed a lot about this, and im not sure why. Im not even a huge supporter of PUA material due to all the BS in it, though I do find it interesting.