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Out shoveling, and shopping all day, I don’t know what’s worse. Shoveled my driveway at home, and did two of my neighbor’s, ones 92, and the other’s husband’s away at work, then out to my mother’s to do her huige drive way, atleast she’s got a snowblower, and I did the people across the street from her, because they’re a young couple with a baby, that just bought the house, and don’t have a snow blower, he came out and thanked me. After that, we went and cut down a tree, than swung by the store to pick up the laptop we’d orderd for my daughter’s christmass present. 600 dollar laptop for a 6yr what ever, the times we live in, probably drop 1500$ on my daughter alone before merry old christmass is over.

Anyway I woke up in a wrotten fucking mood, just pissed off all day, I hid it from my family, but just one of those days where I just wishing I can walk out and catch some kid trying to steal my car sterio, or see some guy smack his wife or kid in front of me, so I can go off, and push some teeth in, but I never got that lucky. It’s 2 oclock, I’m going out to do some deadlifting, then spend a half hour beating the shit out of the heavy, probably bring me around, every thing I look at pisses me off today.

Reminds me, of last January, I was in the hospital waiting room, and a group of 20 somthings was yapping off, all the older people and parents with kids were uncomfortable, so I asked the main kid to stop using the F word, then he started yelling at me, saying you better not be talking to me old man. He walked over to me yelling, standing over me, yelling for me to shut the fuck up, then he kicked my foot, said look at me old man.

I came up out of my chair, and beat the fucking living shit out of the kid, broke his nose, smushed his face up real good, then quietly sat back down, and started reading my book. The cops came, put me in the back of the car for a half hour, then they came out and let me go. The old cop gave me a pat on the back. The cop said everyone in the waiting room, said I deserved a medal. He said the video showed the kid asulted me first by kicking me in the foot :slight_smile: the kid wanted me charged with asult, but the cop told him ‘’ don’t go around looking for a fight all day, and then call the cops when you find one,‘’ haha, fucking little wanta be, tatoo’s on his neck, jewlery all over him, didn’t even hit me once, I wish i could get in one of those about once a month, just to clense my soul. Anyway today’s one of those days, feel better just talking about it, off to move some weight. Latter

Sunday Dec.15/13 Deadlift cycle week 4, day 1, deadlft 6x2@80% based off 470 Regular deads
deads-----sit ups
135x10-----mex20 all the way down
225x5
315x3
350x2
375x6x2 ( Alot of work here, the working weights are starting to feel heavy)
225x kirk row to failure ( just getting work while unloading the bar)
135x upright row to failure

Front squat----- russian leg curl (natural GHR)
135x10-------mex10
185x5---------mex10
225x5--------mex10
225x5--------mex20 (added ab wheel to leg curls, to aid lower back, got more reps this way)
225x5-------mex20 (added belt, low back getting tired)
225x5---------mex20
225x5---------mex20
225x5----------mex20 (6th set of 225, thats what I was after)
185x9---------mex20
135x10--------mex20
Dimel deads
185x20 (one all out set, belted, mixed grip, fry my ass and hams to finiish)

I didn’t get around to the heavy bag, my ass and hams were fryed, feel better though. Good workout, these are boring, sub-max shit, i like training all out, but you have to put days in like this, to get to the big weights. 375 is 80% of 470, but there’s no way I could pull 470 right now so I don’t always believe rep calculators. I wrestled all week wheather to do 385, or 375 this workout, I’ve been adding 20lbs a week, so far this cycle, but I think my max right now is around 420, so if I keep adding 20lbs a week, I’m going to be done in 2-3 weeks, but if I change to adding 10lbs a week, I can get atleast twice as much time out of this cycle, and I’m loving it, so I want to keep it going. On the russian leg curls, I usually fight gravity on the way down, then give a push with my hands (push up) to get going on the way up, let my hams do as much as possible. By adding in the cheap ab wheel, it becomes a great pumping exercise for my hams (never thought of this before) I just push my self out, and pull myself, and the ab wheel back up with my hams. I can keep constant tension on my hams, and really pump them up. Latter

Wow it’s 9 oclock Mon morning, and I just came in my office to write out todays workout, before I go out to the garage. I’m working a 6 week progression for my Incline press, that I’ve been talking about, but this week the volume is way up. I have 85%x10x3, and 75%x6x8, so thats 235x10x3, followed by 205x6x8, anyway, just caught me by surprise, i guess we’ll go see how it shakes out. Latter

Monday Dec16/13 Incline bench cycle, week 4 - 275RM 85%x10x3, and 75%x6x8
incline bench------pulling exercise changed every 5 sets
135x10------mex15 ( TRX face pull)
185x5-------mex15
235x3------mex15
235x3-----mex15
235x3-------mex15
235x3------mex7 ( switched to pull ups)
235x3-------mex7
235x3--------mex7
235x3-------mex7
235x3--------mex7
235x3---------90x10 ( switched to DB rows, unsuported)
235x3-------90x10
205x8-------90x10
205x8-------90x10
205x8-------90x10
205x6-------30x20 ( switched to hammer curls)
205x6------30x20
205x6------30x20 ( alot of work, dropped to 6 reps, after 3 sets)
Dips 100 rep count down
mex32---------- 68 breaths
mex19=51-----49 breaths
mex15=66-----34 breaths
mex12=78-----22 breaths
mex11=89-----11 breaths ( getting pretty pumped)
mex 6= 95-----5 breaths
mex 4 = 99-----1 breath
and 1 last rep WOW PUMPED, and done

This was alot of volume, and alot of work. I can’t wait to try this program on my squats, anyway love this workout, took 70 min in total, i was able to keep a pretty quick pace, because of only doing 3 rep sets. I imagine I’ll be sore tomorrow, but who knows. On the final sets, I had to drop from sets of 8 to sets of 6, half way through, I don’t think this has anything to do with the program, probably more to do with me supersetting all the extra work in, it’s not part of the program, but I like to workout this way.
Also I decided today, not to bother with posting in the threads anymore, everyone wants to argue and it’s gay, and time consuming, if I post somthing it’s because I have direct expieance with it, people can listen or not listen, but to challange me, because they read somthing different somewhere else on the internet is gay. I don’t claim to know everything, like most do, but I have been doing this along time, first strength cert in 94, and have been involved with owning a couple different gyms along the way, so I’ve seen alot of shit. Anyway not worth bitching about, I’m just done, I’ll stick to my log, and mabey a couple other logs I follow. latter :slight_smile:

I can’t believe how sore my lower back got tonight, just digging out the decorations, and decorating the tree with my daughter. It’s only funny, because everyone told me that dealifting heavy 3x week was stupid, and counter-productive, but I’ve been having pretty good sucess with it thus far. Tonight made me realize that I probably wouldn’t be able to follow this routine if I did anything but lay around 24hrs a day. I cant imagine being able to do much at work, the way my back tightend up just decorating the tree. Thought it was worth putting in the log, and might be somthing to think about moving forward, as the weights get heavy, I might have to cut back to two sessions a week. I guess Ill see. Latter

That was very cool, the TV thing. I bet your wife was very impressed.

I don’t remember seeing where people challenged you actually, but I guess it happened. I wouldn’t let it get to you. There’s certain people you learn to listen to when they talk, even among the bickering.

I actually started doing those TRX face pulls as of last night, with my own improvised setup. Just some rope over a door, with a knot to hold it, but I think I’ll keep these in.

And that was a ton of volume on the incline bench.

I’m taking today off, I preach listening to your body, and I need to follow my own advice. My hams and ass are sore, and my lower back is tired, not sore but tired, I did alot of work for my postior chain on Sun, big workout. Also my upper body is destroyed from yesterday, my front delts and tri’s are real tender today, this is real nice, because my chest usually over power’s eveything, but yesterday’s workout nailed my delts, and tri’s.

I think for the rest of this cycle ( 3 weeks) I’m going to switch to a 2 on, 1 off schedual, on the same 6 day set-up, so it will be 9 days before I hit a workout again. The weights are getting heavier, and the volume is insane, even my abs are sore today, and I can’t think of why.

Lorez,

Ya my wife loved it, she’s a small town girl, in every sense of the term, I met her when she was 19 and now she’s 25, and she’s impressed by everything, we rented a hybred Prius for the trip, and she was all excited by how the moter turned off and on at the lights. Then we get to Toronto, and she can hardly drive, because she’s looking around at the big buildings, and lights, it’s cute, she’s been so sheltered, and it’s fun to do stuff like that with her.

As far as the TRX facepulls, I actually came up with it when I was in the hole. They come and take your matress every morning, and your locked in a holding cell all day by yourself ( matress only at night) so I would have my two sheets tied togather, and I would talk the gaurd into letting me put the knott out the top of the door, before he shut it for the day, and I’d have the two long sheet ends hanging inside all day, and I could do facepulls, rows, and flys and shit all day :slight_smile: I did 29 days like this one time, no human contact, pretty intense, helps me apriciate everything I have now.

As far as posting, I’m just tired, and I actually have beter things to do, it’s more me than anything eles, nobody wants to here me say - hard work on the basics, and eat more, progression, progression, progression, it’s all I really got, after 20+years at this, I only have this advice, and weak people don’t want to here this, they want a secret, they think everyone stronger or bigger is cheating.

A guy that squats 275 only wants to talk with other guys that squat 275, they can pat each other on ther back, and give each other advice. Everyone else is cheating or lying, and my direct, I guess angry aproach, pushing the basic’s just pisses people off. They don’t want to here the reason they’re weak and small, is because they’re not working hard enough, or eating enough, Thats to simple. I have better things to do, anyway. Latter

Oh, on the TRX face-pulls, I start with my elbows high, as high as I can, then as I get tired, I let my elbows slowly drop down, as I do reps, my elbows are slowly comming down so that by the end, they’re by my sides like low pully rows. this is how I do them, and now after years, I can get all 20 with my elbows higher than my shoulder’s. 2cents Latter

Man I’m feelin beat up right now, I took yesterday off, and I’m going to back off my two alternate deadlift days, so I’m deadlifting 3 x’s a week, right now, day !, reg deadlift , day 2, sumo deadlift , Day 3 deficit deads, I’ve been pushing all three as hard as I can, but the cycle’s getting hard, weights are getting heavy, so my thoughts are to keep adding weight week to week on reg deads, and pull back the other two days, keep the volume high, but pull the weight back a bit, and just make them work days.

This way I’ll be fresh on Day 1 for reg deads, and still be putting the work in the other two days. This coupled with the extra rest days should allow me to keep the cycle going. I want to get my deadlift atleast where my squat is 405x8, then just drop back to regular 531 for a cycle or two, let my body catch up a bit. We do a mock meet every year, between Christmas, and New years, so i don’t know how I’ll make out, the way I’m feeling, I’ve been pushing myself, just the way I push my kids, comming up to this meet, but my old broken down body isn’t liking it to much.

Mabey take a whole week off around Christmas, just get this cycle done. Note to self, next time I want to run a deadlift cycle don’t go 3x week. I haven’t deadlifted in 3 days, and I still couldn’t hardly finish snow shoveling the driveway this morning, but I started this cycle, and I will see it through to the end :slight_smile: Latter

Adapt or die

Wedsday, Dec 18/13 Sumo deadlift cycle, week 4, day 2 6x6@345 probably 80% ( medium intensity)
sumo deadlift
135x10
225x6
345x6
345x6
345x6
345x6
345x6
345x6
225x kirk row to failure
135x upright row to failure ( cleangrip)

Thats it today, just getting the work in on the main move, and shutting down, try to keep some in the tank. All the sets were around RPE@ 7-8 so medium intensity, same weights and reps as last week. This is my plan, to just get the minum work in on two alternate deadlift days, and then go for broke on Day 1, main deadlifting day, thats the plan. It’s funny, I was thinking about getting back to regular 531 so I can rest for a month or two, and the fact that alot of the guys I train, hate 531 because they think it’s to hard. I love 531 for this reason, it feels like home, it dosen’t matter how crazy life is, or how crazy you train, you can always come home, and relax, know your safe. This might sound nuts, but it’s how I look at it. I’ve been pushing stupid hard on squat and deads the last couple months, and I’ve got to a good place, I’ve got my working weights bcak up over 405, so I’ll stay here for a couple months, and own this weight, before I start pushing again. Anyway. Latter

Oh ya, everything above was beltless, left my belt hanging on the wall, save the belt for main deadlifting

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You know its funny. I have done a lot and have always came back to 531. What is it about the program? Just feels good, maybe its the raw training… another reason I have been enjoying the cube. I enjoy both a lot. More experience with 531 but I will stick it out for awhile with the cube to give it a fair shot.

[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Adapt or die[/quote]
Aw yeah

[quote]superboogie44 wrote:
You know its funny. I have done a lot and have always came back to 531. What is it about the program? Just feels good, maybe its the raw training… another reason I have been enjoying the cube. I enjoy both a lot. More experience with 531 but I will stick it out for awhile with the cube to give it a fair shot.[/quote]
I need to quit being cheap and buy the cube manual or book

Early in my 20s, i met a PLer at work, and I’d been training from 16-24 on a 2x week program based around the 20rep squat, and he switched me to a 1 on 1 off upper/lower split, back then we didn’t have the internet ( better I think) so when someone showed me a program I stayed on it for years, and I stayed on the upper/lower split from 24-27 when I got my best total, so it’s just ingrained in me it seems. I always end up going back to that split, over time this split became 531 for me, but it’s very similar to what I was always doing.

I would train alome during the week, doing upper / lower based all around 5x5, then on Sun I’d meet up with these 3 PLer’s in a PLing gym, and we’d basicaly have a mock meet every Sun, and test our maxes, these guys were way stronger than me, and it pushed me to get stronger. It’s funny, when I got my first training gig, at 19, of a juinor hockey team, I only knew one routine that my boxing coach had showed me, and with that one routine I became the strength coach for a whole hockey team, thats how much things have changed in 20+ years, now to get that gig you’d have to have a bunch of letter’s behind your name, LOL.

I’ve been thinking alot about this lately, I don’t remember it being this hard in my 20s to get my squat and dead to 500, but in reality it took 3yrs training with these 3 PLer’s, and when I met them I was already squating 315x20, so I guess I just had more paitance, back then than I do now. I can’t imagine squating 315x20 right now, and at the time I was weak compared to my new Pling buddies, times have changed people don’t expect as much from themselves, and kids aren’t as paitant it seems.

My problem it seems is that base I built is long gone, and I’m not as paitant as I once was either. Anyway, my plan is to finish this cycle, spend a month or two on reg 531, then go back to splitting my workouts/focus in half, with 6-8 weeks on squat, and bench, than 6-8 weeks on deads and incline. This seems to be working I just need a break for a month or two, and thats what 531 will give me. Latter

One final thing for anyone thats been following my log, I really bit off to much by deadlifting heavy 3x week, and at the same time doing a big cycle for my incline, turns out this wasn’t a great idea, and I’m pretty beat up. At the end of the day I’ve always been a strength coach of other people, and I’m not that great at coaching myself, I push way to hard.

Dan John says the same thing, when it comes to himself he should hire his own coach, :slight_smile: The problem is I end up treating myself like a giunie pig, trying these crazy routines on myself, before I would ever try them on my clients. This one wasn’t so great, but if you don’t try you’ll never know. I don’t believe in listening to other people, ( usually full of crap, and lazy) I believe in taking 6-8 weeks and seeing what happens, I’ve been surprised lots of times, but this time people were right. Deadlifting heavy 3x week, not so productive Latter

Thursday Dec 19/13 Bench 531-easy workout, week 1
bench------rev bench ( TRX with pipe)
135x10-------mex20
185x5---------mex20
205x5--------mex20
225x5--------mex20
245x5-------mex20
275x9-------mex20 ( this a PR at 275 since my comeback)
245x10------mex20
225x10------mex20 DONE !

My arm is healed, My arm is healed, My arm is healed, Fuck ya ! I haven’t benched in over a month, just the incline cycle, and today I decided to run an easy 531 day, based on 350, this had me ramp up to 275 for max reps, and I got 9 reps. I haven’t felt this solid in the bench in a long time, I think all this incline work is paying off, for me front delts are the weak link in my bench, so tthe inclines have huge carry over.

awesome, I could feel my elbow a little funny, but absolutely no pain. I’m just going to play with 531 on my bench ( low volume) till my other cycles are over, then we’ll see what goes on, I’m thinking of a month or so light, but I know myself, and I have a hard time training light, so we’ll see. latter

If people don’t do what I like to call checking there nuts, then people aren’t working right… always try stuff you think is a little crazy… you never know if you’ll like it or not. I know people who can do all kinda of shit I cant , then there is stuff I can blow away people at… for all you know that could have been easy for you… good job and I love that you push yourself hard still at your age

At my age, what the fuck is that suposed to mean :0 Anyway, the thought process was that squatting 3-4 times a week did amazing things for my squat, so when I was done with that I thought why not try it with deads, it’s weird because my number’s on the two lifts are similar, and the movements are similar, but I guess the deadlift takes more out of you.

The other thought process for me is mabey it’s not so much the deadlift, but the fact that I went straight from the multiple squatting a week heavy, right to deadlifting heavy 3 x week, I didn’t take a break, so this might be taking a toll as well, the end result is I’m feeling beat up. Latter in the year, after I’m rested, I might try another run at my deadlift, we’ll see. I’m really liking the 6 week Steel cycle I’m running on my incline right now, and I’m tossing around the idea of getting back on reg 531, then cycling this 6 week linirar program through my lifts, taking a deload every 6 weeks, and always keeping an upper body cycle between lower body cycles, for recovery reasons.

I don’t remeber feeling better and more solid on the bench than today, and that has to be from running the steel cycle on my incline. This is the way Coan, and Karwowski trained they’re whole career’s, running straight line progression cycle’s, on one lift then the next. I guess I’ll see, it’s all just a journey, as long as you keep heading in the same direction-Getting stronger, at my age haha. Latter

My wife’s only 24yrs by the way, so I can’t be that old :slight_smile: and mabey keeping up with her is why I’m feeling so beat up Latter

Got this off Elite FTS, thought it did a good job of explaining programing, reading my log guys might think I mash shit up, and jump around alot, but to me it’s all the same. I mentioned this on Chobbs log the other day, it’s eveolution. When a kid asks wheather he should do Starting strength, or Madcow ( last week) and I say it dosen’t matter, that 5x5 - 531 - west side - the cube, they’re all the same, people think I’m nuts, but I’ve been coaching for 20yrs, mabey I see the matrix behind the program, but to me, all these programs are about progressive overload of the same 4-6 exercises, in the same rep range, getting you stronger month to month, year to year on the same 4-6 exercises, so I can move around between these programs, and for me it’s not program hopping for the sake of program hopping, it’s just changing angles of attack, to keep moving forward. Anyway the article sums it up pretty good, and might help make sense of my log, and your own training for some younger guys. Latter

?I?ve been doing 5/3/1 for a year, should I start training Westside now??

?Can I do Smolov, use the percentages from Sheiko, incorporate the dynamic effort work from Westside, and use 5/3/1 for my accessory work??

Okay, that last one might?ve been a bit extreme, but it?s probably not far off from a question you?ve seen before. These questions get asked again and again, but there seems to be no definitive answers to satisfy them. The reason for this is because often times people are asking the wrong questions. One of the biggest ?A-ha!? moment for me was hearing Jim Wendler respond to the question about bands and 5/3/1. His response was something along the lines of, ?If you have to ask if you?re allowed, you aren?t ready to use them.? Before you ask, ?Should I use bands?? you should understand WHY we use bands.

It is important to understand that these programs are examples of expert coaches utilizing principles for a specific need. It?s not the percentages in 5/3/1, or the use of bands in Westside training that makes these programs special. It?s the ability of the coaches who designed them to take training principles and organize them in a way that fulfills a specific purpose. This is, in my opinion, why so many people try Westside training, and then decide it doesn?t work. They took a sample routine off the Internet, focused too much on specifics, like the use of bands, and spun their wheels without making much progress (I?ve been guilty of this myself). They neglect to understand that what makes Westside training Westside is Louie?s ability to modify the program for his lifters and their weaknesses/needs/goals. This is why using a conjugate system really shouldn?t be referred to as Westside training unless you?re actually training at Westside Barbell. The coaching and environment is what makes it so successful, not a perfect concoction of sets/reps you can find on a forum somewhere.

This is why good coaching continues to be so valuable even with all the information and programs available. Brian Carroll is coming out with an eBook on training, and I guarantee it will be a treasure trove of information. But getting personally coached by Brian will always be superior to only reading the book. This is because Brian understands how to evaluate a lifter, and then program for them personally. He not only knows the principles behind programming, he understands them. This is something that takes a combination of education and years of under the bar experience.

This isn?t to say that just following a book?s program is always a bad thing. Programs that are written out in eBook form like 5/3/1 are great for several reasons:

They give you the framework to begin training consistently.
They allow you to begin training, using proven principles without having to be an expert on them.
They provide a reference point to go back to if you find yourself getting overloaded with information.
How you develop from there makes all the difference. If you are a novice, you?ll simply follow the program. If you are an intermediate lifter, you?ll begin to understand the program. When you?re an advanced lifter, you won?t look at it as a program anymore. That?s why initially it can be effective to simply look at a spreadsheet for 5/3/1 and follow it?reading through Jim Wendler?s explanations and descriptions of training principles is beyond valuable in the long run.

Much of this depends on your training age. If you?re just beginning to train, it will be important to just stick to a program and follow it so you can be consistent and work on the basics. As you advance, you don?t even necessarily need to make it more complicated, but you do begin to understand WHY you train the way that you do. Over time that understanding breaks the constraints of a program and ends the questions of, ?Am I allowed to do _______?? You?ll begin to learn how to make programs work for you. You yourself will determine success or failure, not the program.

When you begin to understand these concepts, you stop looking at a program as good or bad. You begin to look at the principles behind the programming and why the coaches designed them as such. Instead of only knowing programs as 5/3/1, the Cube, or Westside, you should begin to learn about the principles of linear, block, and concurrent periodization. This doesn?t mean you have to be an expert on everything, but understanding the principles behind them will add more to your training toolbox. It takes time, and I?ve still got a ways to go myself. It?s a daily process you should be engaged in as a lifter, especially if you?re a coach. Train hard, learn from others, and remain humble and driven in the process. Remember that programs are tools and they?re most effective when you learn how to make them work for you

I guess I got to work on that humble part haha. Latter