How much do they inject with your TRT? they got me 300 mg eow . Once they let me do it at home… I’m going to do 200 ew. Just because at day 9, I literally feel it leave me and it sucks.
Maybe I can get my grandpa or dad to take my piss test for me so I can get some of this stuff lol
I disappeared for vacation, but I’m back.
The pics look good. It’s been a good 3 months for you (or however long it’s been since the first set).
As far as the shoulders, maybe you want to play with what I’ve been trying. Basically it’s a wide grip upright row (really just so forearms are vertical at the top), pulled up only so far as your upper arm is parallel to the ground. Then hold for 2 seconds at the top, and work in in the 6-8 rep range.
I was trying to find something that would target the lateral delts, that could be loaded heavier, that wouldn’t use too much traps (I seem to be trap dominant with lateral raises especially), and that didn’t hurt my shoulders – my doctor is still prohibiting overhead work for now. I found a movement pattern that worked, and CT suggested the holds just to get the TUT up. I’ve liked the results thus far.
Just something to consider.
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And, on another note, I could use some help on my diet. I do know how to cook, and I can afford to eat decently, but I’m still not really happy with what’s happening. Body composition changes are fine with what I’m doing, but my weight’s really been stagnant for a long time. I mean, I’m still setting PRs regularly, so it’s not horrible.
It’s just… do you have a basic diet plan you suggest to the guys you train? We’ve had the dozen eggs a day with mixed vegetables conversation, but as far as the rest of the day? (Plus, I actually haven’t gotten around to doing that, so I should probably start.)
[quote]LoRez wrote:
I disappeared for vacation, but I’m back.
The pics look good. It’s been a good 3 months for you (or however long it’s been since the first set).
As far as the shoulders, maybe you want to play with what I’ve been trying. Basically it’s a wide grip upright row (really just so forearms are vertical at the top), pulled up only so far as your upper arm is parallel to the ground. Then hold for 2 seconds at the top, and work in in the 6-8 rep range.
I was trying to find something that would target the lateral delts, that could be loaded heavier, that wouldn’t use too much traps (I seem to be trap dominant with lateral raises especially), and that didn’t hurt my shoulders – my doctor is still prohibiting overhead work for now. I found a movement pattern that worked, and CT suggested the holds just to get the TUT up. I’ve liked the results thus far.
Just something to consider.
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And, on another note, I could use some help on my diet. I do know how to cook, and I can afford to eat decently, but I’m still not really happy with what’s happening. Body composition changes are fine with what I’m doing, but my weight’s really been stagnant for a long time. I mean, I’m still setting PRs regularly, so it’s not horrible.
It’s just… do you have a basic diet plan you suggest to the guys you train? We’ve had the dozen eggs a day with mixed vegetables conversation, but as far as the rest of the day? (Plus, I actually haven’t gotten around to doing that, so I should probably start.)[/quote]
I’ll give ya a postworkout meal in my log in about 10 minutes
[quote]chobbs wrote:
I’ll give ya a postworkout meal in my log in about 10 minutes[/quote]
Lol.
Wow, what happened on my log over night, anyway feeling like shit right now, up all night with bad tooth. Alsowent to my daughter’s christmass concert tast night, couple hundred parents, and 6 cops show up, pull me out, put me against the wall in the hall, pat me down, because I have a 4inch buck knife as part of my atire, it’s in my pocket, but the belt clip, hangs on the outside of my pocket, so you can kind of tell what it is, gun point out to the car. It was just this big fuckin thing, so I’ll answer questions, and tell that story. Once I get fired up for the day. Eat, take meds, and energy shit, go workout my forearms - bi’s, and I’ll be back in a better mood ;0
My forearms are completely fried right now, so it’s tough to type haha, anyway, I talked to everyone I respect in the game, and did all the research I could for my elbow problems while I’m benching, and nuking my foreearms, followed by reverse curls is where I’m at. I’ve enver done any direcet froearm training before, so there might be somthing to this, I’ll keep you posted !
Chobbs. All I can tell ya, is what I know from direct expieance, keep in mind I’ve been lifting for 25yrs 
Anyway, with gear, I know this to be fact, the longer you wait to introduce them, the further they will take you, and the less you’ll need. For me this is fact. Remember I own a gym, and can get anything I want for free ( they want the gym owner on they’re side) SO the fact that I’m struggling so hard right now to get 1500, when I could grab some test/tren and be there in a month, should tell you somthing.
If I did that, then in order to get to 1600, Id need more, and by the time I got 1800, Id be putting my health at risk. Here`s my metaphore
The bigger, and higher I can build the natural ramp before I jump. The further it will take me, and with less horse power
Ya Im on TRT right now, Im on meds that shut my natural test off completely, you follow my log, and it dosent seem I get any help from TRT with strength. Im 260lbs, Ive had a 1480 13yrs ago, and Im fighting with all my might to get my squat and dead back up over 400, I know 170lb 16yr kids lift this much, with less work.
I think the TRT might help me with size, I dont know, I seem to be gaining size pretty quick lately, but I came back to lifting, with the knowlage of how to lift, how to eat, how hard to work, and Ive been big before, so its hard to say what the story is there. I cant tell you what to do bro, just what I believe, and the fact that I follow my own advice. Im not doing a huge cycle, and saying dont do this. I`m building as much speed, and momentum as I can before I hit turbo. Latter
I always appreciate your advice man, I’ll be waiting unfortunately but sometimes I just get that itch to try them lol
Lorez, welcome back brother, weight gain. I don’t go around giving advice on getting a 6 pac, don’t know nothing about it, but getting big, ya baby, got that down to a science. I’ve been using myself, and the kids I train as lab rats for 20yrs, and it’s real simple. Figure out what you want to eat every day, and times that by 5, because when your after a goal, you don’t get variety from monday to friday, not on my plan anyway.
So for me I want to eat -1 dozzen eggs, 1 bag or frozzen veggies, 1 pound ground beef, 4 cups of rice, 3 litters of milk, and 2 bowls of bran flakes a day ( bran flakes are a must, blewh blewh ) When I grocery shop I buy enough to last a week, because whats in my house is what I eat, I also like apple’s and oatmeal spaced through out the day, as forced snacks On weekends I eat what I want, this keeps me sane, and if I don’t feel like eatting I don’t eat, simple.
On Sun I grocery shop for the week, so 10 dozzen eggs, 8 pounds ground beef, and so on and so forth. I come home and boil a dozzen eggs, cook a pound off beef, and four cups of rice, all this goes in the fridge, in case I don’t feel like cooking one day, or I’m in na hurry. I can grab a couple boiled eggs or warm up prcooked rice, and beef.
The same as with training, I never completely turn in a different direction, but things are always evolving, if I start getting sick of rice, and beef, I might start boiling up whole grain penne noodles, and beef. I use all sorts of sauses and spices, we’re gaining weight here, so might as well enjoy it, different salad dressings, and what not.
When I’m working, I spend 45min at night, cooking for the next day, cook and mix up, a couple container’s of beef and noodles, each with different sauce, or flavor, boiled eggs, sliced cheese, apples, couple peanut butter and honey sandwiches, Just calories. It’s just like training you get what you put in, it’s work, but I do know if it’s not in your house you can’t eat it, thats where you have to start. As far as body fat, guys have to get past that, I tell my guys to find a different ideal, when your trying to get bigger and stronger.
If your training now, and you aspire to look like Ryan Renolds, look around the internet, and find someone to aspier to, while your on a gaining phaze. Right now I’m training for a Bill Goldburg Ideal. It changes your mind set to have a different picture in your mind. Mike Ohearn is somone I look up to in the sport, normaly, but during strength phaze ( I hate the term bulking) I picture Goldburg. Change your thought process, and than you won’t be questioning every month, wheather you should be cutting or not.
I’ll post an average day’s eatting at another time, when I get around to it. In the mean time go grocery shopping, and adjust your ideal’s, to start making some gains
Peanut butter and honey sandwiches…holy goodness
I make one right before I work out, and have one right after. The ones I make are 6 table spoons of peanut butter, a banana, and honey, like 500 calories, and 25+ protien. Thats my peri workout nutrition LOL Along with a litter or two of milk, goodtimes
I know your training hard Chobbs, I’ve had some kids, play with some low dose Dbol, like 8 weeks, at 10-20mg a day. If everything else is in order, it can give you a little boost, with out crossing over to the ‘‘DARK SIDE’’ and not messing with your young hormones to much, just a thought if you want to play a bit.
No needles, no pct, easy to find. High doses are pretty kidney toxic I’m told, and you just piss the gains away comming off, but I’ve had some kids err on the side of caution, and do pretty well, like 10lbs of body weight, and some strength, with no real down side. Might also sooth your mind a bit from thinking about going balls deep. 2cents
i’m on 300 mg test cyp eow. they will test me to see if this is the correct dose but i will trick them into thinking my test is lower by doing bloodwork after popping lots of pills and maybe something else. but I feel it a lot. just in my well being and energy. its a low dose i wont need to cycle. i will stay on it during surgery recovery. i dont think ive mentioned i’m diabetic, drugs are easy to get, also cialis is a great one for lifting.
Alright, you want a couple of old war hero’s to compare scar’s, and med’s Well after my big fall in 99, I got hooked up with a crooked Dr, through some bike riding friends, thus began most of my problems, and down ward spirl, so for the next 10yrs he prescribed me over 3000mg of Oxycotin a day, half of this I gladly took. In 07 the DR got busted for over prescribing, this knocked the shit out of me. I couldn’t find that maney pain pills from any other DR, or the street. It also knocked the shit out of me financialy, as I was selling half the script for around 6000$ a month. I tried a few different routs, and ended up on Suboxone, this is the reason for my TRT, suboxone kills test production, among other things. I’m with a pain specialist now, gives me the suboxone, and TRT, 200mg a week, of Cip. Also due to some anger issue’s, that lead to violance. The law mandate’s some other scribs.
I have to take paxal, and seriqual, was also remron, but I have been behaving, so they knocked that off, it made me really drousy. I do save up the two mood satbalizer’s now to take at night, as they knock me out, and have cleared by morning. All that matter’s is that they’re in my blood, when I give mandated sample’s. It gets to a point, where I don’t really know what I really need. I have to be on some sort of pain meds, because of my left leg, and right hand, and the suboxone seems to be the least toxic, but I have to deal with the TRT, which I hate. I don’t know, I don’t have alot of regrets.
I lived life at 100mph for 30yrs, betwewen iron working, violance, gang type stuff, bouncing, collecting, fighting, beatings, jail, car and bike accidents LOL it feels like I’ve spent the last ten years putting myself back togeather, physicaly, mentaly, now it’s time to start living like an adult, a citizen I guess. It’s hard to explain to people, I lived in a whole different world, than everyone else, I didn’t comunicate with people outside of my circle for 30yrs. Going to jail for the winter, or having your hand crushed with a hammer. It blows my mind now to think about all of it, but it was just part of the deal, the life style. Now I’m turning into a yuppie, raising my kids, fixing up my house, picket fence and all, and I’m walking around heavily medicated, like the rest of the sheep. Part of the 99% now, and trying to make the best of it. man I can babble. latter
Saturday Dec. 7/13 Deadlift cycle wekk 3, day 1 - Regular deads 6x3@80% based on 80% of 455=365
Deads-----leg raises
135x10------mex15
225x5-------mex15
315x5-------mex15
350x3------mex15
365x6x3
Front-squat----russian leg curls
135x10-----mex10
185x5-----mex10
225x5
225x3
225x2------mex10 (after set of 2, I took a 5min break, and did my ham work)
225x5 ------(did this wave 5x, to get 50 reps in the front squat)
x3
x2 --------( did my 10 russian leg curls, after each set of 2, for 5 sets )
I didn’t feel like doing anything else. This actually was alot of work. 365x6x3 is the most working weight I’ve done on deads since my come back. I’m going to have to start using a belt pretty soon, sqeeked through today. On front squats I used another wave to get 50 reps. I’ve been using alot of waves lately on asistance stuff, I used to do alot of waves before, and it just feels natural. It allows me to get some work in, with out killing myself, I used a belt on front squats, and threw in a few sets of leg curls as well. I’m getting pretty good at these russian leg curls, I’m not having to give much of a shove at the bottom with my hands anymore, pretty soon I’ll be able to them natural. Latter
Hey mister Jake! I see you posting a lot of good posts around here so just wanted to say hi. Like the simplicity of your workouts. Seems like you could make a movie about your life so far! Keep up the good work.
Haha, alot of good posts, thanks, it’s shear volume of posts I guess, some have to turn out good. I’m on house arrest, and board out of my fucking skull, so I spend alot of time during the day on T nation. As far as advice, i’m just an old school guy, I’ve never needed to know why things work, just that they work. Some guys need to know the molicular structure of every lift and sup, thats just not me, if you wnat to add 100lbs to your squat I can tell you what to lift and eat, and in 6mths I guarentee you’ll be squatting 100lbs more.
For me 500lb squat is the line that seperates men from boys, and until you get there, don’t give advice, just listen. I’m just getting back there myself, so it’s why I’ve been giving more advice recently around the threads. I’ve worked with a shit ton of kids over the years, getting them to 1000lb total, longest kid took two years, so when I see kids that have been training for 4+ years, and they’re not there yet, I can’t help but say somthing. In 20yrs I’ve only specialized in this one area - strength training for 15-24yr athletes, Thats it, some guys claim to know it all, thats bullshit, after 20yrs I haven’t even mastered this one area, so how can some 25yr kid know everything about everything, bullshit. Anyway thanks for the compliment, enough of a rant. I’m going to go off latter about my legal situation, because it’s finaly comming to a head, after 2yrs, I’m going to be allowed back in my gym in the new year, after 2yrs of house arrest. I’ll go off in a bit after I make my daughter some KD. Latter
Guess I can’t ever give advice then 
I don’t think I’ll ever squat 500. Of course I’m a little guy at 5’4 and 146, so maybe the squat number can be lowered a bit for me…lol
Ok, if I had a kid that was training 531, and was under achieving, putting the work in, but after a few years was still far off 1000lb total. The first thing I would do is bring they’re squat up over 400. The squat is the lynch pin exercise all other lifts will follow. I like 531, the premis, but I think it serves a young lifter well, to push one lift really hard, while running the othe 3 lifts on 531, so here’s what I would do to get the squat moving
On the second workout of the week, the deadlift work out, follow 531 and get your deadlift work in, follow this with 5x5 on the front squat, going deep, and focusing on building muscle, either real heavy with a belt, or no belt, and focus on quality reps, doesn’t matter. after this get your BBB work in with RDL, or dimel deads. 5x10 getting streatch in hams. Finish with some core work and leave
On the first leg workout of the week, I’d use 3s, this is what I’ve seen get kids strong on, so ramp up to your heaviest set of 3 in the regular squat (never fail) after you get a max set of 3, drag a box, or bench over, that has you about 2inches above paralle, add 5% ( aprox 10lbs) to the bar and get 5x3 with this weight. Act like the box is on fire, so stay tight, squat down, when you feel the box touch your ass, explode up. 5x3 like this, stay tight, stay angry, and get it done.
Now, drop the weight by 50%, and get your BBB in with real box squats, either 5x5, or 5x10 depending on the weight you want to use. These are real box squats, so push your buttt, way back, so when your sitting on the box, your feet are out in front of your knee’s, stay tight, and count to two, then explode up. It’s all hips, and ass when your feet are out in front. Practice to get good at these, then start adding weight to these, getting stronger at these will help your squat ‘‘stay tight’’ You should be able to add 10lbs a week on your top set of 3, matching each week, on regular squats, what you did the week before on your explosive box squats, then doing 10lbs more on the explosive box squats. This teaches your body each week to be comfortable with the extra weight.
After 3weeks, deload same as always, start back the first week, with the same weights you used on last week of previous cycle. If your young, strong, and training full bore, you should be able to keep this up for 3mths. This would add 100lbs to your squat in 3mths, then change your focus for the next 3mths, This isnt somthing I just made up, or read some where. Ive been doing this for a long time, young kids training at full bore, and focusing on one lift, can add 25% to a lift in 3mths, I`ve seen it over and over again.
They have to eat, they have to rest, they have to not waste energy on extra exercises. Four workouts a week, four exercises a workout, 100% focus, NO excuses. Focus on getting 25% increase on one lift in 3mths, while the others coast or get 5lbs a month. Than switch focus`.
Ive taken atleast 50 kids from 0 to 1000lb total with this same formula. It takes a year, to a year and half, with the longest kid ever taking 2yrs. You have to believe in this system, and it probably works alot better with me there, giving cues, and forcing progression, but were on the internet, so there`s my program. Take a year get to 1000, then decide what you want to do next
This isn`t an easy aproch, waiting for the weights to come to you. If you want to lift more you have to force your body to adapt. Once you hit that 450-500lb squat and dead, things do start to slow down, and you have to start thinking out side the box, but if your not there yet, and if your hungry enough. Get going, and goodluck. Ask me what ever you want. Latter
Mighty mouse its not that you cant give advice, its just that I see alot of people giving advice that they read somewhere else, and they havent even tried themselves yet. It just bothers me. If people only talked about what they knew personaly, wed all be alot futher along, and better off. 2cents
And ya double BW squat dead are the goals, I just round off with saying 500, thats my personal line