Anyone Really Disappointed with American Sniper?

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[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
I never read the book, but I did hear of the story you mentioned in #1. I don’t know why Eastwood chose to change it. I think the reality would have suited the film and its tone better.

And just to be a film nazi- the mother actually hands the kid some kind of grenade. The kid runs towards the convoy and then Kyle shoots him. The mother then, inexplicably imo and totally ruining any sense of realism, picks up the fucking grenade and attempts to throw it. Instead of either running grief-stricken towards the kid or running away because she knows there’s someone out there who just shot the kid.

… What?
[/quote]
You do realize that that might not be his mother. Or the fact that many of the radicals are bat shit fucking crazy right. [/quote]

This is why people are calling it propoganda, they wanted to portray it as a black/white good v evil opening scene where a mother sends her child to kill troops. In reality there was no kid. Just like there was no sniper, or seals killed finding the sniper, or seals killed after being ambushed by him.

Also in the film he says it was the kids mother, cementing that black/white thing in the viewers mind. Using something that never happened to create a different narrative.

It has been changed so much that it bears no resemblance to the real story.

Another example is that Kyle never second guessed himself or had a moral dilema, he said in his book he was glad he killed all those “savages” and has no regrets at all. In the film he is constantly having moral quandaries looking through his scope.

[/quote]
I understand your complaints, as an avid reader I struggle enjoying movies that originate from a book. I finally learned to just ignore it and enjoy the ride, stop trying to look for differences in the story telling.

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[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:
Words
[/quote]
No it was great.

/thread[/quote]

How was it great? It took an awesome book, changed almost everything in it, added a bunch of false stuff which added nothing to it and had some awful acting.

[/quote]

If you don’t like America why don’t you go live in Russia with Michael Moore and the rest of your comrades?
[/quote]

Did someone in this thread say he doesn’t like America?

Are you implying there is something wrong with Russia?
[/quote]

When you get to Russia be sure to watch some soccer and let us know how you like smoking those commie cigarettes with your mail-order bride.
[/quote]

Communism ended.

I wouldn’t mind watching some soccer.

I don’t smoke.

I already have a fiance.

What’s wrong with living in Russia again?

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:
Words
[/quote]
No it was great.

/thread[/quote]

How was it great? It took an awesome book, changed almost everything in it, added a bunch of false stuff which added nothing to it and had some awful acting.

[/quote]

If you don’t like America why don’t you go live in Russia with Michael Moore and the rest of your comrades?
[/quote]

Did someone in this thread say he doesn’t like America?

Are you implying there is something wrong with Russia?
[/quote]

When you get to Russia be sure to watch some soccer and let us know how you like smoking those commie cigarettes with your mail-order bride.
[/quote]

Communism ended.

I wouldn’t mind watching some soccer.

I don’t smoke.

I already have a fiance.

What’s wrong with living in Russia again? [/quote]

Nothing unless you are working class, gay, transexual, black, muslim, publish anti putin articles or are active in fighting corruption.

If you fall under any of those categories you might prefer going somewhere else.

Any country that bands gays from driving and has open corruption to the level where news companies who report negative stories have their owners jailed, where political dissidents and adversaries are poisoned with no doubt who was behind it, where the economy is still owned to a large extent by oligarchs and organised crime, is not a good place to live, for most people.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:
Words
[/quote]
No it was great.

/thread[/quote]

How was it great? It took an awesome book, changed almost everything in it, added a bunch of false stuff which added nothing to it and had some awful acting.

[/quote]

If you don’t like America why don’t you go live in Russia with Michael Moore and the rest of your comrades?
[/quote]

Did someone in this thread say he doesn’t like America?

Are you implying there is something wrong with Russia?
[/quote]

When you get to Russia be sure to watch some soccer and let us know how you like smoking those commie cigarettes with your mail-order bride.
[/quote]

Communism ended.

I wouldn’t mind watching some soccer.

I don’t smoke.

I already have a fiance.

What’s wrong with living in Russia again? [/quote]
We have a lot of guys from around the world on here.

Never see any Russian’s, Why is that?

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:
Words
[/quote]
No it was great.

/thread[/quote]

How was it great? It took an awesome book, changed almost everything in it, added a bunch of false stuff which added nothing to it and had some awful acting.

[/quote]

If you don’t like America why don’t you go live in Russia with Michael Moore and the rest of your comrades?
[/quote]

Did someone in this thread say he doesn’t like America?

Are you implying there is something wrong with Russia?
[/quote]

When you get to Russia be sure to watch some soccer and let us know how you like smoking those commie cigarettes with your mail-order bride.
[/quote]

Communism ended.

I wouldn’t mind watching some soccer.

I don’t smoke.

I already have a fiance.

What’s wrong with living in Russia again? [/quote]
We have a lot of guys from around the world on here.

Never see any Russian’s, Why is that? [/quote]

Dr Matt

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:
Words
[/quote]
No it was great.

/thread[/quote]

How was it great? It took an awesome book, changed almost everything in it, added a bunch of false stuff which added nothing to it and had some awful acting.

[/quote]

If you don’t like America why don’t you go live in Russia with Michael Moore and the rest of your comrades?
[/quote]

Did someone in this thread say he doesn’t like America?

Are you implying there is something wrong with Russia?
[/quote]

When you get to Russia be sure to watch some soccer and let us know how you like smoking those commie cigarettes with your mail-order bride.
[/quote]

Communism ended.

I wouldn’t mind watching some soccer.

I don’t smoke.

I already have a fiance.

What’s wrong with living in Russia again? [/quote]
We have a lot of guys from around the world on here.

Never see any Russian’s, Why is that? [/quote]

Dr Matt
[/quote]
Does he live in Russia or here?

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:
Words
[/quote]
No it was great.

/thread[/quote]

How was it great? It took an awesome book, changed almost everything in it, added a bunch of false stuff which added nothing to it and had some awful acting.

[/quote]

If you don’t like America why don’t you go live in Russia with Michael Moore and the rest of your comrades?
[/quote]

Did someone in this thread say he doesn’t like America?

Are you implying there is something wrong with Russia?
[/quote]

When you get to Russia be sure to watch some soccer and let us know how you like smoking those commie cigarettes with your mail-order bride.
[/quote]

Communism ended.

I wouldn’t mind watching some soccer.

I don’t smoke.

I already have a fiance.

What’s wrong with living in Russia again? [/quote]
We have a lot of guys from around the world on here.

Never see any Russian’s, Why is that? [/quote]

Dr Matt
[/quote]
Does he live in Russia or here? [/quote]

I believe he moved from the US to Norway but he is from Russia.

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[quote]CLUNK wrote:
I didn’t see the film, but Chris Kyle has lied about certain incidents of his life anyway.
Aside from that, a film can still be judged as a great piece of art regardless of its origin or inspiration.

[/quote]

I haven’t seen the film yet, but what are you referring to?

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read the book, need to see the movie. Hate going to the theater, waiting till dvd :frowning:

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[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]CLUNK wrote:
I didn’t see the film, but Chris Kyle has lied about certain incidents of his life anyway.
Aside from that, a film can still be judged as a great piece of art regardless of its origin or inspiration.

[/quote]

I haven’t seen the film yet, but what are you referring to?[/quote]

I believe it was proven in court he lied about Venture, there is also proof he lied about shooting people in Orleans after hurricane Katrina, basically a bunch of stuff alot of it isn’t to do with his time in the service though.

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[quote]Aggv wrote:
read the book, need to see the movie. Hate going to the theater, waiting till dvd :frowning: [/quote]

No kat proxy?

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:
Words
[/quote]
No it was great.

/thread[/quote]

How was it great? It took an awesome book, changed almost everything in it, added a bunch of false stuff which added nothing to it and had some awful acting.

[/quote]

If you don’t like America why don’t you go live in Russia with Michael Moore and the rest of your comrades?
[/quote]

Did someone in this thread say he doesn’t like America?

Are you implying there is something wrong with Russia?
[/quote]

When you get to Russia be sure to watch some soccer and let us know how you like smoking those commie cigarettes with your mail-order bride.
[/quote]

Communism ended.

I wouldn’t mind watching some soccer.

I don’t smoke.

I already have a fiance.

What’s wrong with living in Russia again? [/quote]
We have a lot of guys from around the world on here.

Never see any Russian’s, Why is that? [/quote]

Dr Matt
[/quote]

He defected didn’t he?

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[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

[quote]Aggv wrote:
read the book, need to see the movie. Hate going to the theater, waiting till dvd :frowning: [/quote]

No kat proxy?[/quote]

Not sure what that is, but i really dont like watching movies through a computer screen.

I enjoyed the book, but Kyle should never have wrote it.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Having read the book and seen the movie I agree completely with the OP. I still enjoyed the movie.

[/quote]

This.
If it was well-made, entertaining, thought-provoking, and created an emotional response, then it’s good art regardless of its inspiration.

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[quote]CLUNK wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Having read the book and seen the movie I agree completely with the OP. I still enjoyed the movie.

[/quote]

This.
If it was well-made, entertaining, thought-provoking, and created an emotional response, then it’s good art regardless of its inspiration.[/quote]
X 3

The old guys have spoken

/Thread

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:
Words
[/quote]
No it was great.

/thread[/quote]

How was it great? It took an awesome book, changed almost everything in it, added a bunch of false stuff which added nothing to it and had some awful acting.

[/quote]

If you don’t like America why don’t you go live in Russia with Michael Moore and the rest of your comrades?
[/quote]

Did someone in this thread say he doesn’t like America?

Are you implying there is something wrong with Russia?
[/quote]

When you get to Russia be sure to watch some soccer and let us know how you like smoking those commie cigarettes with your mail-order bride.
[/quote]

Communism ended.

I wouldn’t mind watching some soccer.

I don’t smoke.

I already have a fiance.

What’s wrong with living in Russia again? [/quote]

Let me explain how jokes work. Let’s start with the relevant part of the original post.

Derek542, obviously a fan of the movie, wrote a simple post showing that he was a fan of the movie and not really interested in what the OP thought. Knowing Derek542, the post was all in good fun.

Perlenbaher15 was obviously not satisfied with that and wanted to engage in a deeper discussion. Knowing that he already indicated his annoyance with the dismissal of critics as America-haters, a notion which any rational person would realize is absurd, I poked some fun at him and told him to move to Russia with Michael Moore and his comrades.

He got the joke.

Of course, Michael Moore does NOT live in Russia and, as you pointed out, Russia is no longer under communist rule. The line I used is reminiscent of pre-Soviet collapse rhetoric used to shout down people who were perceived as un-American. It is, of course, very empty rhetoric and an absurd counter to any well-thought out position.

Then some great images of over-the-top American imagery were posted. These were great, and a sure sign that others recognized the absurdity of calling even the most mild criticism of the movie “un-American”.

You missed it, apparently, so I ratcheted up the stupid to see if you’d maybe want to join in on the fun. No luck.

Soccer’s only significance is that it generally perceived as a sport people outside of America play. I don’t think it is even very popular in Russia. Commie cigarettes just sounded fun and, as someone else already observed, getting a Russian mail-order bride AFTER you move to Russia makes no sense at all.

Others got that joke too.

I was going to keep running with this, but I decided to put a stop to this nonsense once and for all. I hope this helps.

I plan on seeing the movie this weekend.

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^^we really need a like button

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That may have been funnier than the original joke.

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[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:
Words
[/quote]
No it was great.

/thread[/quote]

How was it great? It took an awesome book, changed almost everything in it, added a bunch of false stuff which added nothing to it and had some awful acting.

[/quote]

If you don’t like America why don’t you go live in Russia with Michael Moore and the rest of your comrades?
[/quote]

Did someone in this thread say he doesn’t like America?

Are you implying there is something wrong with Russia?
[/quote]

When you get to Russia be sure to watch some soccer and let us know how you like smoking those commie cigarettes with your mail-order bride.
[/quote]

Communism ended.

I wouldn’t mind watching some soccer.

I don’t smoke.

I already have a fiance.

What’s wrong with living in Russia again? [/quote]

Let me explain how jokes work. Let’s start with the relevant part of the original post.

Derek542, obviously a fan of the movie, wrote a simple post showing that he was a fan of the movie and not really interested in what the OP thought. Knowing Derek542, the post was all in good fun.

Perlenbaher15 was obviously not satisfied with that and wanted to engage in a deeper discussion. Knowing that he already indicated his annoyance with the dismissal of critics as America-haters, a notion which any rational person would realize is absurd, I poked some fun at him and told him to move to Russia with Michael Moore and his comrades.

He got the joke.

Of course, Michael Moore does NOT live in Russia and, as you pointed out, Russia is no longer under communist rule. The line I used is reminiscent of pre-Soviet collapse rhetoric used to shout down people who were perceived as un-American. It is, of course, very empty rhetoric and an absurd counter to any well-thought out position.

Then some great images of over-the-top American imagery were posted. These were great, and a sure sign that others recognized the absurdity of calling even the most mild criticism of the movie “un-American”.

You missed it, apparently, so I ratcheted up the stupid to see if you’d maybe want to join in on the fun. No luck.

Soccer’s only significance is that it generally perceived as a sport people outside of America play. I don’t think it is even very popular in Russia. Commie cigarettes just sounded fun and, as someone else already observed, getting a Russian mail-order bride AFTER you move to Russia makes no sense at all.

Others got that joke too.

I was going to keep running with this, but I decided to put a stop to this nonsense once and for all. I hope this helps.

I plan on seeing the movie this weekend.
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