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What bothers me about most Christians is the all or nothing, package deal mentality they have. They believe the bible to be absolutely correct about everything, word for word, and if anything is incorrect, then the whole thing must be correct.

So you get Christians claiming that if you don’t believe in Invisible Sky Wizard, you must condone rape, murder, and theft, since the bible says don’t do those things, and you don’t believe in the bible, therefore you must believe those things are ok.

The bible is right about many things, but it’s right about those things because those things are right, not beause they’re in the bible. Stealing would be wrong if the bible never mentioned it, or said it was ok. What really gets scary is when people decide that something that is wrong (killing for religious reasons, hating gay people) is ok and good because the bible tells them to.

But they cant understand those crazy people who kill people because their religion tells them its ok.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
What bothers me about most Christians…
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Maybe what you need to do is quit thinking about what bothers you about most Christians and start thinking about what responsibility you, and only you, have to your Creator.

When you stand before Him someday to give an account of your life you won’t be doing much yapping about what bothered you about most Christians. It’ll be all about you and only you, and what you did with Him.[/quote]

What bothers me about this guy is the use of fear to try to control me.

OH NO INVISIBLE SKY WIZARD IS GONNA GET ME WHEN I DIE I’D BETTER AGREE WITH YOU RIGHT NOW.

Go away, fearmonger.

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But what if, Push, when you die, Zeus and all the other Gods come and get you and they’re PISSED at you for following this Yeshua twerp?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
But what if, Push, when you die, Zeus and all the other Gods come and get you and they’re PISSED at you for following this Yeshua twerp? [/quote]

What’s the Christian explanation for what happened to all those people who were around before Christ died on the cross?

Serial question, though I’m sure it’s been answered before.

And if God wanted his creation to breed and fill the world with offspring, with no death occurring, what would he have done if they never ate the apple and kept multiplying indefinitely? He knew we were gonna fuck up?

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
But what if, Push, when you die, Zeus and all the other Gods come and get you and they’re PISSED at you for following this Yeshua twerp? [/quote]

What’s the Christian explanation for what happened to all those people who were around before Christ died on the cross?

Serial question, though I’m sure it’s been answered before.

And if God wanted his creation to breed and fill the world with offspring, with no death occurring, what would he have done if they never ate the apple and kept multiplying indefinitely? He knew we were gonna fuck up?[/quote]

The bible makes a lot of sense when you look at it as metaphors.

The “people” in the bible who live several hundred years actually represent all of humanity. The fruit of knowledge refers to the practice of agriculture. So, you have Adam (man) who eats of the fruit of knowledge (learns to farm) and gets out of balance with nature (Eden). Now, no longer confined to eat or hunt what grows naturally, man is able to multiply out of balance with his surroundings.

Humans basically take up two professions - farmers and herders (Cain and Able). Farmers start killing herders in order to have more room to farm (Cain kills Able). Humans continue procreating in excess.

Eventually, humans will die out, as a result of overpopulation. Overpopulation leads inevitably to wars, starvation as resources are used up, and pollution. Or, War, Famine, Pestilence, and Death. (Or, ya know, magic horseys are going to fly out of the sky.)

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
What bothers me about most Christians…
[/quote]

Maybe what you need to do is quit thinking about what bothers you about most Christians and start thinking about what responsibility you, and only you, have to your Creator.

When you stand before Him someday to give an account of your life you won’t be doing much yapping about what bothered you about most Christians. It’ll be all about you and only you, and what you did with Him.[/quote]

What bothers me about this guy is the use of fear to try to control me.

OH NO INVISIBLE SKY WIZARD IS GONNA GET ME WHEN I DIE I’D BETTER AGREE WITH YOU RIGHT NOW.

Go away, fearmonger. [/quote]

Like I just got through saying, don’t worry about other Christians and don’t worry about me. Worry just about your own self, bud.

I can’t control you nor do I want to. You sure offend easy. Maybe you’d better head down to the gym and relax under the strain of a barbell.[/quote]

Answer my question. What are you going to do when you die and stand before Ahura Mazda and have to explain that you never even learned of his teachings?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
But what if, Push, when you die, Zeus and all the other Gods come and get you and they’re PISSED at you for following this Yeshua twerp? [/quote]

What’s the Christian explanation for what happened to all those people who were around before Christ died on the cross?

Serial question, though I’m sure it’s been answered before.

And if God wanted his creation to breed and fill the world with offspring, with no death occurring, what would he have done if they never ate the apple and kept multiplying indefinitely? He knew we were gonna fuck up?[/quote]

The bible makes a lot of sense when you look at it as metaphors.

The “people” in the bible who live several hundred years actually represent all of humanity. The fruit of knowledge refers to the practice of agriculture. So, you have Adam (man) who eats of the fruit of knowledge (learns to farm) and gets out of balance with nature (Eden). Now, no longer confined to eat or hunt what grows naturally, man is able to multiply out of balance with his surroundings.

Humans basically take up two professions - farmers and herders (Cain and Able). Farmers start killing herders in order to have more room to farm (Cain kills Able). Humans continue procreating in excess.

Eventually, humans will die out, as a result of overpopulation. Overpopulation leads inevitably to wars, starvation as resources are used up, and pollution. Or, War, Famine, Pestilence, and Death. (Or, ya know, magic horseys are going to fly out of the sky.)

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The Bible becomes a useless book if it is merely a book of metaphors. Which is exactly what those who feel like you intend.[/quote]

No, it becomes a very useful book for how to lead a good and happy life. Its says don’t kill, dont rape, dont steal, don’t cheat, don’t be jealous, be thankful for what you have, be peaceful, etc.

The fact that all of that becomes “useless” to you if you don’t literally take it all to be exact historical fact is sad, indeed.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
But what if, Push, when you die, Zeus and all the other Gods come and get you and they’re PISSED at you for following this Yeshua twerp? [/quote]

What’s the Christian explanation for what happened to all those people who were around before Christ died on the cross?

Serial question, though I’m sure it’s been answered before.

And if God wanted his creation to breed and fill the world with offspring, with no death occurring, what would he have done if they never ate the apple and kept multiplying indefinitely? He knew we were gonna fuck up?[/quote]

The bible makes a lot of sense when you look at it as metaphors.

The “people” in the bible who live several hundred years actually represent all of humanity. The fruit of knowledge refers to the practice of agriculture. So, you have Adam (man) who eats of the fruit of knowledge (learns to farm) and gets out of balance with nature (Eden). Now, no longer confined to eat or hunt what grows naturally, man is able to multiply out of balance with his surroundings.

Humans basically take up two professions - farmers and herders (Cain and Able). Farmers start killing herders in order to have more room to farm (Cain kills Able). Humans continue procreating in excess.

Eventually, humans will die out, as a result of overpopulation. Overpopulation leads inevitably to wars, starvation as resources are used up, and pollution. Or, War, Famine, Pestilence, and Death. (Or, ya know, magic horseys are going to fly out of the sky.)

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The Bible becomes a useless book if it is merely a book of metaphors. Which is exactly what those who feel like you intend.[/quote]

Well I’ll be a slapped ass. At least we can agree on that.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Answer my question. What are you going to do when you die and stand before Ahura Mazda and have to explain that you never even learned of his teachings? [/quote]

The same thing that you will have to do when you stand before the Almighty God of the Old and New Testament: give an account of what you have done with what He has revealed to you.[/quote]

The God of the bible would accept me into heaven because he is all knowing and all powerful. He put me into this situation where I am and he knew I would reject his teaching. However he is all loving and will accept me and ever other creature alive into his domain. Hell is an oxymoron in the bible.

predicting another contradiction in this freewill bullshit pseudo-argument If we had free will then he would not be all knowing. One cannot be.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

No, it becomes a very useful book for how to lead a good and happy life. Its says don’t kill, dont rape, dont steal, don’t cheat, don’t be jealous, be thankful for what you have, be peaceful, etc.

The fact that all of that becomes “useless” to you if you don’t literally take it all to be exact historical fact is sad, indeed.[/quote]

I obviously disagree. If the Bible is not what it says it is, it is a fraud. The Bible’s theme is not don’t rape, steal cheat, be jealous, etc. The Bible’s theme and its sole reason for existence is redemption.

The platitudes contained therein are certainly worthy but under your purview be no more authoritative than Mein Kampf.[/quote]

And if the bible is a fraud, what then? If you learned that, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that a flood never encompassed the entire earth, would you suddenly decide to start doing evil things, since you no longer had something watching you to punish you for it?

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And your entitled to be a good Christian and tell me why I should worship this god of the bible. Believe me when I say I’m looking for any excuse to do so. Give me any logical reason why I should worship the god of the bible.