Anyone Here in the Army or Navy?

snipeout, while i may or may not agree with you, this does not pertain to this thread…

if they make a stupid comment, so be it. make a jab, then carry on with providing something beneficial. right now all that is happening is this will become a cluster fuck of nonsense in no time.

/hijack

Anyone have any advice as to the best way to choose a MOS if all are available? For example, I have a science degree, and know in the future I will want to have done something in the science/tech field, however, I sorta wanna play “Billy Badass.” How did you all pick your rate/MOS?

[quote]RobbyRob wrote:

brothers in arms

haha

USMC- NO WORSE JOB- NO BETTER FRATERNITY[/quote]

Semper Fi, Marine ~

Renee
USMC 88-92

Recruiters are a little like car salesmen - they brush up the highlights, and downplay the long hours, little appreciation, etc.

You might want to search the other threads on this topic. Your choice of branch of service definitely plays a part in how you’re treated. You want comments on Navy vs. Army, so I can’t tell you anything. My experience is with Air Force & Marine Corps. You might want to read some threads in the War Room, as well.

You’ll always have good with the bad. Bring your own good running shoes to boot camp. They’ll let you wear them, or at least they would a year ago. Should still be true, I hope.

Good luck!

i got you bud…

find out your interests…wright them all down…
and than write down what would have read world relevance- like- “can this help me when i get out”

after that…your set… asking for witch one has the best/ worst deployment ratio in regards to your wants is a plus…
and if any have fat bonuses like intel…

PM me if you wanna talk more outside of the forum

and ps…you wont pick your rate… you having a science degree could probably be a contract promotion… but ill tell you about that later if your interested

[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
Anyone have any advice as to the best way to choose a MOS if all are available? For example, I have a science degree, and know in the future I will want to have done something in the science/tech field, however, I sorta wanna play “Billy Badass.” How did you all pick your rate/MOS?[/quote]

Look at the possible MOSs. Narrow it down to things that interest you. Pick 3 that will be employable in the future - after you get out. If you go Army, you’re very likely to have field training which will allow you a “badass” outlet. Then you go back to your regular day-job.

Tah-dah: that’s one way to pick an MOS. A 2nd way is to let your recruiter pick. I would NOT recommend that. The military’s needs will come first, no matter what. So plan to stick to your guns, if you’re set on getting what you want.

Renee

there is this documentary called Carrier that follows an aircraft carrier on a six month deployment to the Persian gulf. It aired on PBS late last year and it was very good. Especially since I am in the Army and could get a glimpse inside life in the Navy. It is amazingly similar, similar bullshit too, the main thing I noticed was that the names changed while the game stayed the same.

There is this part at the end of their deployment or “cruise” that they port in Hawaii for a few days and their families get to meet them there and “cruise” back to the states with them the remaining days back to the states. I thought that was really cool since we don’t have anything like that in the army. Anyway, watching this gives you a fly on the wall view of how things are done aboard the ship. You will be able to see the bonds that are made during the ride and the heartache that goes along with a deployment. I say see it and I am sure it will certainly answer a lot of questions concerning the Navy. Just know that the other branches are “similar” in how things are done, not exactly the same but at least it will give you an idea.

Man I would kill to have a 6 month deployment! I am on my second 12 month tour :frowning:

There is so much to write about being in the Navy for 18+ yrs. I am a Navy Commander, surface warfare type and have seen a lot of changes. If you join the Navy, your job is to get underway to do the Nation’s bidding. Cryptologists, Intel, nuclear officers all get underway. There is no “desk job” in the Navy. Recently, the Navy has been tapped to help out the Army filling billets in Afghanistan, Iraq, Djibouti, Philippines, etc. We are all over the world. You may rotate from a ship to a shore billet, but will always return to the sea.

For your weight, lose it before you join if you are fat. If you are in shape and proportional, you can remain. They are downsizing the force to save money and the out of shape folks are the first to go. They will measure your neck and waist and if you exceed 24% bodyfat for 3 cycles (18mos) you will be separated period. If you are big and strong now, you will have a tough time maintaining that on a ship with limited food choices, but it can be done. Just don’t let your bodyfat get out of check. The Marines have much stricter standards and they are graded on their appearance. Their culture is much more physical than the Navy, but also varies depending on what command you are in. You have to “run” a PT test 2x a year, and unless you have organized command PT, you don’t have to run more than that and can do other forms of cardio if you want. elliptical, swim etc. The PT test has always allowed a swim option, and more recently allowed the elliptical and treadmill, but generally, the command has to approve their use instead of you just running it like everyone else.

Most ships have small weight rooms or a universal station if it is a DDG or Frigate. Large Deck amphibs have the largest weight rooms because they have to maintain their weapons systems (the embarked marines). Small Deck Amphibs have so-so weight rooms, but enough to make progress. Carriers have the most equipment, usually 2 or more weight rooms, and tons of dedicated cardio equipment. Quality of life will always be better on the Larger platform there is more people to share the work, so more time for workouts, more space etc. Smaller ships have the potential for better comraderie, but your workload will be so high you will be happy for 4-6 hours of sleep let alone a workout. My first ship I bought $5K of equipment as the recreation officer and mounted it on the topside superstructure above the bridge and it was like muscle beach, working out in the sun, but when the ship rocks, your bench gets real heavy real quick. I also kept an EZ curl and some weights and just did circuit/maintenance stuff.

For Kingskrs, I was on the NIMITZ for the past 2 years and did 2 deployments and served with many of the people in the video.

If anyone wants to know more, PM me or ask specific questions, there are SO many aspects of this in making a decision of this magnitude including if you want to be married and start a family, how long you want to serve, what your job will entail, deployments etc. What educational benefits you want, the new GI bill becomes effective in August. The BS that everyone talks about comes with the territory and it is a VOLUNTEER military and once you sign, be prepared to say Yes Sir and carry out your orders with a cheery Aye Aye whether you agree or not. Military is not bad, better, worse, just different from what many people have experienced. Besides, “a bitching sailor is a happy sailor” (LOL)

For all the recruiter haters out there, a lot of times it is that you just didn’t know which questions to ask and they didn’t freely volunteer the information or you or they or both were unaware of the requirements to get into a community. Recruiting is one of the hardest jobs and every service member has to be screened to get that job, not to mention extensive training. They are the representatives of their service to the outside world a lot of times. The folks that enlist simply do not recognize the needs of the service for filling particular jobs/billets/MOS. It is a balancing act between the personal needs of the service member, the needs of the service, and your career needs to keep you eligible for advancement. Be respectful.

Hope some of this helps from the Navy side :slight_smile:

Chris

WOW! Lots of very good advice on this thread. Just FYI- I did look through the “War Room” thread but that area of this site seems to have died out and I read the threads that seemed interesting (and the pic in uniform one, etc…)

*I am trying to keep most of my questions here so others can read and hopefully use it in the future too (search function doesnt work for them?!?!)

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjob1/a/navyjobs.htm this is the site I am using to look at MOS options.

RobbyRob- What do you mean you wont pick your rate? Rate = MOS correct? Or am I backwards? My degree earns me an E-3 spot if enlisted or an OS-1 (or whatever the abbrev is). Honestly, being deployed does not really scare me. Stuck doing absolutely nothing like I am right now scares me more! Obviously, I have not been in the shoes of those out for 12mo or anything, so this is sort of an uneducated comment.

Looking at the site I mentioned, I am interested in some of the aviation, intel, nuclear, spec ops (duh), submarine, and surface combat/op. Not really sure how to narrow down. guess I will really have to sit and chart it out…

Renee- Navy doesnt have a Field Training outlet of some sorts? I was thinking that would be a perfect way for me to “get that out of my system.” I would be able to stay focues on the future, but still satisfy that. My recruiter seems like a pretty good guy. I realize they are just trying to fill slots, but I think he does actually have my interests in mind. Doesnt want my brain to go to waste haha…\

Kingkrs- Thanks for the link. I will DEFINITELY watch that.

b12sblue2002- I did their test. I fell into the 20% range, so by that I should be ok. I am going to pick up some top of the line running shoes designed for my feet today- so dropping some unneeded fat shouldnt be an issue. I heard it is hard to maintain, but as long as you scarf down food when given the chance, I feel I should be able to hold onto something. And I plan on keeping up with the running all the time so that should help keep weight under control if I am eating like a pig.

I have not decided yet how long I want to be in. I know I want to start a family in the next ~10yrs or so, so I still have plenty of time (I am 23). In terms of how long I want to serve- it depends on how things go I guess. I may chose to make a career of it, or just do my term and get out. BTW- I was thinking about lifting and the movement of the boat throwing you off- so it is funny you mention that.

I really appreciate all the help you all are providing. I can read a bazillion books but getting to ask people their opinions and advice like this is worth 100000x more to me…

[quote]r Bring your own good running shoes to boot camp. They’ll let you wear them, or at least they would a year ago. Should still be true, I hope.

Good luck![/quote]

WHATTTT there letting them bring there own running shoes!!!

i had those POS new balance “GO fasters” lol

there getting soft

Well as far as the recruiter comments go… I would say 90% of the recruiters I’ve met hate it. My recruiters actually threatened me. They said if they every see my back at the Depot it better be to become a Drill Instructor because if I goto Recruiter school they’re going to kick me in the nuts. lol I completely understand where they are coming from. You just have to remember. They have a job to do and without them we wouldn’t have a volunteer military.

I don’t know if I can help you much on picking a MOS. Ever since I was a little kid I knew I was going to be a Marine. My grandfather was a Marine in Korea. I just walked into the recruiter the month after I graduated high school and signed the papers that day. I wanted to blow shit up so I picked the 1300 Engineer field hoping to be a Combat Engineer. Like 90% of everyone that enlists in that field I got 1345 Heavy Equipment Operator. Which is fine with me because when I deployed I saw what Combat Engineers do now. They build shitter houses. I ended up being deployed with a Grunt unit and what made it cool was since I was the only HE Op I didn’t have to play any of their fuck fuck games but I got to do the fun shit.

My advice is to pick something you think you can do for 4+ years that also can help you once you get out. If you pick a job that you don’t like it will be a looong 4 years. Trust me… I’ve seen guys that let their recruiter pick and I do NOT envy them. lol

cool nate- my bad man… i was getting confused- rate is usually what you “rate” so i was thinking rank—if you go to the marines the most youll leave bootcamp with is a contract promo to e-2…or you can go become an officer and be a bootenant (lieutenant)—thats all on you tho.

pm me if you have any other Qs… i can really only help with marine corps…but i have a buddy who is a army ranger… so i can call and ask if your serious…

just dont get sucked in by a recruiter…and unless the military is something you DEF want to do…dont do it lol

RobbyRob, like I said, I have already made the decision to join. 100%

Started filling the paper work out on Thursday for the Navy- so I think that is my choice (family in navy, most travel, etc).

Got to get a couple medical forms, and then it is off to MEPS. Thats why I am trying to figure this out.

well then enjoy my friend… all the best… hopefully i dont see you in the big sand box across the ocean…
just remember to keep your head down and your gun up

[quote]snipeout wrote:
coolnatedawg wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Artem wrote:
Recruiters are scumbags who will borderline suck your dick to get you to sign up.

Only if you are to stupid to do your own research. Do you always talk shit about people who serve their country? What are you currently doing to try and improve this country?

Honestly, the 3 posts you have made in this thread have done absolutely nothing to contribute. Why are you even bothering with this? You seem to have some experience, why dont you do something useful and elaborate on it? It would be more beneficial for EVERYONE…

Do yourself a favor and search the post history for the 2 geniuses I commented on. Clip is a delusional borderline troll and the other one lives a soap opera life, which is hard for most normal 16 yr olds.
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Why dont you go sit the fuck down somewhere! All you doing is looking like an ass trying to pick an e-fight for no reason at all! If you didnt want to answer the question then just dont answer it. If you wanted to go to another thread then bye! No ones stopping you.

Also. in the navy, when you are on the ship for months at a time, are there any women with you? My dad was in the navy in the late 70’s-early 80’s and he said when he was in their they kept men and women seperate.

Yes on ships. No on subs.

[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
Yes on ships. No on subs.[/quote]

Do they still do that?

No on subs? Yea. 6-9 mo at sea with a lot of it confined underwater can make a man do something he normally wouldnt I imagine…

On another note, recruiter got all my papers together. Sending them to MEPS to get approved, then scheduling my appt. Hopefully my busted up ring finger is not too much of an issue… I also hope to be at MEPS next week. He said last week in June or first week July. Bummer…

I’m in the Canadian Forces Reserves, and the recruiter obviously sweetens up the pot to make it sound wonderful, but, Once you get past the no sleep and ration packs, it’s pretty fun. Nothing wrong with running through the woods shooting at eachother, or having Section attacks. S’all very fun. The only thing wrong with it is if your BB then it might screw up your results with the lack of sleep, over exertion and ration packs so you can’t eat the nutrition you may be hoping for.

I can’t speak for much, being but a lowly USMC Poolee at the moment, but I can say that all of the recruiters I’ve met have been really decent human beings. They hate their jobs, but they work the shit out of them and they really help the people who want to be Marines. So far, I can’t say I’ve felt deceived or lied to at any point, and no one has tried to sweeten or sugarcoat anything. Then again, the Corps doesn’t offer anything but the chance to be a Marine. I imagine people enlisting in the other branches might feel cheated at some point, but the Marine Corps doesn’t offer you anything to cheat you out of. That’s why I love it.

That said, I’m honestly not sure how much my experience would apply to someone considering the Army or the Navy. Based on my experience at MEPS, the kind of people that enlist in the Marine Corps seem to have…different priorities(no disrespect intended to other branches of the military).

[quote]snipeout wrote:
Judging by your posts and my 5+ years of being in the Army(Ft. Bragg-legs go home) you would not last 1/2 a fucking minute in basic training.[/quote]

r u in still bragg snipeout. thats where im currently stationed however im deployed at the moment