Just curious, seems like a great approach to a t-booster and cycle recovery that might avoid the toxic side effects of clomid.
Do you mean ‘pro-hCG’ as in the same terminology as pro-hormone or pro-steroid??
If so, what would be the point of such a compound? Using real hCG would surely be superior. hCG also does not aid in HPTA recovery after a cycle of AAS. hCG administration stimulates testosterone production at the pituitary gland, not the testes, so it would not promote recovery at all. It would actually cause additional supression.
Clomid is not the only SERM available to use for PCT. Tamoxifen is actually more widely used, although it is more hepatoxic than clomid. Clomid is not really that toxic, it only causes adverse effects to eyesight and causes some guys to become over-emotional. Toremefine is a newer SERM that is said to be better than both clomid and nolvadex.
HCG is a peptide hormone. While it’s possible that short chain analogues might be developed, that would take a lot of research and the final product would still require injection. There would really be no point to it. (Which probably explains why the pharmaceutical companies have not done it.)
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
HCG is a peptide hormone. While it’s possible that short chain analogues might be developed, that would take a lot of research and the final product would still require injection. There would really be no point to it. (Which probably explains why the pharmaceutical companies have not done it.)[/quote]
That explains a lot. Thanks. HCG is either injected or taken sublingually (with what are jokingly referred to as HCG Vodka shots) and you’ve explained to me why there isn’t a pro-HCG equivalent to the pro-hormones that were on the market.
Is there a good HCG substitute other than the clomid style drugs?
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Do you mean ‘pro-hCG’ as in the same terminology as pro-hormone or pro-steroid??
If so, what would be the point of such a compound? Using real hCG would surely be superior. hCG also does not aid in HPTA recovery after a cycle of AAS. hCG administration stimulates testosterone production at the pituitary gland, not the testes, so it would not promote recovery at all. It would actually cause additional supression.
Clomid is not the only SERM available to use for PCT. Tamoxifen is actually more widely used, although it is more hepatoxic than clomid. Clomid is not really that toxic, it only causes adverse effects to eyesight and causes some guys to become over-emotional. Toremefine is a newer SERM that is said to be better than both clomid and nolvadex.
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With normal HRT/TRT HCG is added in to prevent shrinkage of the testes and related issues. Taking it by needle disqualifies one as a blood donor. The sublingual methods are a pain and not reliable. I was looking for a substance that would not interfere with being able to donate blood.
[quote]Elaikases wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
HCG is a peptide hormone. While it’s possible that short chain analogues might be developed, that would take a lot of research and the final product would still require injection. There would really be no point to it. (Which probably explains why the pharmaceutical companies have not done it.)
That explains a lot. Thanks. HCG is either injected or taken sublingually (with what are jokingly referred to as HCG Vodka shots) and you’ve explained to me why there isn’t a pro-HCG equivalent to the pro-hormones that were on the market.
Is there a good HCG substitute other than the clomid style drugs?
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SERM’s are not HCG substitutes. What exactly are you looking for, in terms of effects?
[quote]Elaikases wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Do you mean ‘pro-hCG’ as in the same terminology as pro-hormone or pro-steroid??
If so, what would be the point of such a compound? Using real hCG would surely be superior. hCG also does not aid in HPTA recovery after a cycle of AAS. hCG administration stimulates testosterone production at the pituitary gland, not the testes, so it would not promote recovery at all. It would actually cause additional supression.
Clomid is not the only SERM available to use for PCT. Tamoxifen is actually more widely used, although it is more hepatoxic than clomid. Clomid is not really that toxic, it only causes adverse effects to eyesight and causes some guys to become over-emotional. Toremefine is a newer SERM that is said to be better than both clomid and nolvadex.
With normal HRT/TRT HCG is added in to prevent shrinkage of the testes and related issues. Taking it by needle disqualifies one as a blood donor. The sublingual methods are a pain and not reliable. I was looking for a substance that would not interfere with being able to donate blood.
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Oh Ok
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Elaikases wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
HCG is a peptide hormone. While it’s possible that short chain analogues might be developed, that would take a lot of research and the final product would still require injection. There would really be no point to it. (Which probably explains why the pharmaceutical companies have not done it.)
That explains a lot. Thanks. HCG is either injected or taken sublingually (with what are jokingly referred to as HCG Vodka shots) and you’ve explained to me why there isn’t a pro-HCG equivalent to the pro-hormones that were on the market.
Is there a good HCG substitute other than the clomid style drugs?
SERM’s are not HCG substitutes. What exactly are you looking for, in terms of effects? [/quote]
Something to go with normal HRT to replace HCG and avoid needles, which disqualify one from donating blood.
Not a big thing, but a regular one in my life.
Basically seeking to avoid shrinkage and having my pituitary shutdown.
Are you saying that injectables disqualify you from donating blood, or using HCG disqualifies you?
Injectables in general do not disqualify you from donating blood, unless the rules have changed. Self-injecting HRT doesn’t disqualify you. Self-injecting illegal drugs does.
HCG is used quite a bit by these medical weight-loss centers who use it on a “Trudeau”-style diet. I’ve heard the claim that the HCG negates the hunger and cravings that go along with the 500 calorie diet they use. Hell, 500 calories should make you lose weight by itself.