I know need is not the question
He made a series of statements that were problematic, and he did put limits on God, while accusing “them” of doing the same in the same thread
Do you not see it from the post of mine which you quoted?
I was only responding to the “need for a son.”
I do believe that zecarlo is challenging your convictions. I thought you responded appropriately. He sees things different than I do, and it seems you too. Stick to your convictions.
Acts says nothing. The person who wrote it on the other hand.
Again, you do not KNOW that, you believe that.
You don’t know that either. The fact I am familiar with Paul and how his writings, which make up half of the NT, even though he was not an apostle, should tell you I might know more than you think. Maybe more than you.
If God can do anything, He can also fail. I don’t put any limits on what’s possible with regard to God. I do not explain Him. I do not understand Him.
I’ve run into this quite a lot (on the internet, I avoid religious talk IRL) as someone who has read the Bible (or at least most of it, I may have skipped some of the so and so begat this dude, and he begat this other dude chapters in the old testament), but isn’t a believer.
If thats true then its sad
I only saw him one time explaining GOD and time, space and matter
i know nothing else about him, don’t follow him or anything
Paul was an Apostle to the Gentiles
Then will you at least admit that Paul claimed to be an apostle in the Bible, the liar that he is?
Had you considered reading the first verse in most of his epistles, or did you just jump right into the meat of the epistle, and skip the introduction? Oh, that’s right. Paul is a liar. Why believe what he says.
Maybe this version of you doesn’t … you might have split personalities or something
Only my patience really
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Experimentation doesn’t match with All Knowing either
The thing is you said he was experimenting, your words, not God’s (explaining Him)
You said he would always get the same results unless X (putting a limit)
(from the way you worded it, you’ve said that there could be no Y or Z that would have worked)
You even went so far as to say that X = having a son
You know, I think I’m starting to get it. You can’t explain since you can’t understand. So all you can do is make gibberish or sit quiet perhaps.
I think ze meant Paul never met the physical Jesus. Wasn’t his conversion around 5 years after the crucifixion?
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He needs all the help he can get. If this is the case he should have said so.
Nevertheless, Paul called himself an apostle numerous times.
I don’t know the timeline, but that is reasonable.
Have you considered that Paul might have actually seen Jesus in the flesh?
Acts 22:3, “I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers…”
That city was Jerusalem (Acts 21:15, "And after those days we took up our carriages, and went up to Jerusalem.
Paul studied at the feet of Gamaliel from his youth (“yet brought up in this city”) in Jerusalem. He had three different opportunities to have seen Jesus when walking with his disciples. Maybe Paul did see Jesus (but the Bible never makes that certain)
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The thing is, is that you have applied logical contradictions, and, even more - they are your words.
Whether he can fail or not is a bit deeper than we can go on firm footing.
I tend towards Allahu Akbar, often mistranslated as “Allah is greatest”, it actually means God is greater
Greater than the entire hypothetical would be that he probably wouldn’t want to fail or contradict himself in the first place. Rendering the possibility nonsensical. But I’ve not been arguing vague possibilities - I’ve been arguing your positive claims which are self contradictory
You making a statement from your mouth that he can do whatever he wants isn’t a great defense or firm foundation to fall back on when I criticize your positive claims.
I’m not putting limits on God, I’m putting limits on you - you shouldn’t say stuff like that, inshaAllah
Have a great day everyone, try and remember God, which is something I fail at constantly. May God make me one of those who is sincere. Its been nice to see a theological discussion between different beliefs not devolve into offense and insult. Im not saying much as im finding one or two back and forths interesting to read myself.
Someone above asked what the call to prayer means in English, here is a word by word translation as it is being called.
Ameen
Which means nothing.
And? Even the devil can quote scripture.