Since you wrote “god” (lower case), everything can exist outside of god.
If it weren’t for time everything would happen at once. God outside of time makes no logical sense to me.
Need is not the question. The Bible says that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost are from everlasting and will be forever
Thats the issue…we cannot comprehend the power or intelligence of GOD
Not for this thread, but our group of Bible students debate God outside or inside of time. There is more compelling argument for God inside of time than outside of time.
Jonah 3:10 in itself suggests God is within time. And 1 Kings 3:10.
How is time defined? All man has done is measure time. Example: How much time transpired from event A and event B.
WHERE DOES GOD COME FROM?
The best answer I ever found to this unanswerable question
FROM A DEBATE WITH PASTOR KENT HOVIND
Where does God come from?
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Your question, where does God come from assumes that you are thinking, obviously displays, that you are thinking of the wrong god. Because the God of the Bible is not affected by time, space or matter. If He is affected by time, space or matter, He is not God. Time, space and matter, what we call a continuum, would have to come into existence at the same instance. Because if you had matter and no space, where would you put i? If there was matter and space but no time, when would you put it? You cannot have time, space or matter independently, they have to come into existence simultaneously. The Bible answers that in 10 words: In the beginning, (there’s time), God created the heavens (there’s space), and the earth (there’s matter). So you have time, space, matter, the trinity of trinities: Time - has past, present, future. Space - has breadth, length , height. Matter has solid, liquid, gas. We have a trinity of trinities created instantaneously, and the God who created them has to be outside of them. If He is limited by time, He is not God. The God who created this computer is not in the computer. He is not running around changing the numbers on the screen. The God who created this universe is outside the universe. He is above it, beyond it, in it, He is not affected by it.
So [if you have] the concept that a spiritual force cannot have an effect on a material body, then you have to explain to me why there are emotions, and love, and hatred, and envy, and jealousy and rationality - I mean, if your brain is a collection of chemicals formed by chance over billions of years, how on earth can you trust your own reasoning process and the thoughts that you think? Your question, where does God come from, is assuming a limited God. And that is your problem. The God that I worship is not limited by time, space or matter. If I could fit the infinite God into my 3-pound brain, He would not be worthy worshiping, that is for certain. So, that is the God I worship.
Obviously there is time, or everything would happen at once.
If that is Gen 1:1, there is “God created the heaven”, the second and third heaven were created before Genesis 1:1.
Plasma - the “fourth phase”
The three normal phases of matter listed on the slide have been known for many years and studied in physics and chemistry classes. In recent times, we have begun to study matter at the very high temperatures and pressures which typically occur on the Sun, or during re-entry from space. Under these conditions, the atoms themselves begin to break down; electrons are stripped from their orbit around the nucleus leaving a positively charged ion behind. The resulting mixture of neutral atoms, free electrons, and charged ions is called a plasma. A plasma has some unique qualities that causes scientists to label it a “fourth phase” of matter. A plasma is a fluid, like a liquid or gas, but because of the charged particles present in a plasma, it responds to and generates electro-magnetic forces. There are fluid dynamic equations, called the Boltzman equations, which include the electro-magnetic forces with the normal fluid forces of the Navier-Stokes equations. NASA is currently doing research into the use of plasmas for an ion propulsion system.
You are getting above my brain capacity now. ![]()
A failed experiment doesn’t mean He failed. But given His disappointment and anger, it is possible He did expect more from humanity.
Are you telling God what He can’t do?
I do know one thing God cannot do. Titus 1:2, “In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began.”
Notice that used the phrase “would not make”. I try to use precise words when I speak about God. It is my opinion that God would not make a mistake.
If God says He cannot lie, I’ll take Him at His word.
IMO, I think Hovind is a con. He went to prison for awhile for tax evasion. He recently did a short stint for beating his wife. If you look him up he has quite the rap sheet (assault, battery, burglary, domestic abuse, and tax evasion).
According to Paul, or whoever wrote on his behalf. Paul never met Jesus and the writings attributed to him are his interpretation of Christianity.
Amazing. Wouldn’t just be simpler to write “no one met Jesus.?”
I know that you do not believe the Bible is the word of God. Good for you. But have you ever considered reading it?
Act 9:3-5, " And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest…"
About as plain an English as can be. But if it isn’t the word of God how do we know it is true. We are back to “faith.”
1 Cor 14:37, “If any man think of himself to be a prophet, or spiritual. let acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.”
Is it the word of God, or not?
Why bring this up to me. Why not just reply to the thread. `
Who said that? Because I said that Paul never met Jesus it means no one met Jesus? That’s logical to you?
You really don’t know that. You might be assuming that because some believers think anyone who disagrees with them must obviously not believe, at all.
Acts chapter 9 says otherwise.
I never said that. I said that you do not believe the Bible is the word of God. Or at least you haven’t read it.
An experiment in itself is problematic. Unmet expectations doesn’t match with All Knowing.