[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
The Japanese have been whaling for over 2000 years. The stinking hippies on the sea shepherd are pretty much cultural imperialists attempting to force their views on another culture. [/quote]
i like how people make up pure bull shit like this. Too bad japan recognizes all the UN whaling resolutions like every other major country. Their own ships kill whales in whale sanctuary’s their own government recognizes as no whaling zones.
this has nothing to do with culture. most Japanese are against whaling expansion since very few of them can actually afford whale.
this has to do with upholding laws that are needed.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
baretta wrote:
If we could only convince japanese people to eat hippies…
problem solved
We should try injecting hippies with whale flavoring and selling them to the Japanese. [/quote]
we could probably feed most of the population of whales with the hippies from santa cruz alone since there is so few left. only good thing outta santa cruz is big lebowski showings in movie theaters every Thursday night.
[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
baretta wrote:
If we could only convince japanese people to eat hippies…
problem solved
We should try injecting hippies with whale flavoring and selling them to the Japanese.
we could probably feed most of the population of whales with the hippies from santa cruz alone since there is so few left. only good thing outta santa cruz is big lebowski showings in movie theaters every Thursday night.
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Sorry, bro. I lived in Monterey for awhile. Santa Cruz people suck. Hippies are actually really nasty people. They all need to be coated in pig’s blood and dumped in the waters off of San Francisco. I heard Santa Cruz actually used to be pretty cool, but everyone cool moved out.
[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
Regular Gonzalez wrote:
The Japanese have been whaling for over 2000 years. The stinking hippies on the sea shepherd are pretty much cultural imperialists attempting to force their views on another culture.
i like how people make up pure bull shit like this.[/quote]
the show is so much lamer than they market it on (no duh, right?)
theyre just a bunch of pussies swimming around throwing stink bombs and eating vegan shit.
they got completely pwned by the Japanese in the first episode too and the captain got “hit” not sure if he got shot or what but yea when one guy said “i would lose my own life for a whale” i just smirked and rolled my eyes.
i also think it was funny how the Japanese hold up signs saying what theyre doing “We’re taking skin samples”. pretty funny to me.
but the show sucks; overly pussified and i wont be watching it again.
As a matter of fact, the poorest stratum of Japanese society is almost never seen without a $2000 Louis Vuitton bag or $1000 Louis Vuitton wallet.
Now stop telling other people how ignorant they are until you do a little homework of your own.
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jesus. you live in japan and have now idea what youre talking about. or do u just pull this crap outta ur ass for shits and giggles?
if they resent it so much, why does their government walk in line with the rest of the world on this subject?
yea youre right though, they do want the west to stop meddling, but they also dont support expansion of whaling or breaking whaling law (openly at least) its been studied and polled to hell.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
Regular Gonzalez wrote:
The Japanese have been whaling for over 2000 years. The stinking hippies on the sea shepherd are pretty much cultural imperialists attempting to force their views on another culture.
i like how people make up pure bull shit like this.
First, note the above.
Too bad japan recognizes all the UN whaling resolutions like every other major country. Their own ships kill whales in whale sanctuary’s their own government recognizes as no whaling zones.
this has nothing to do with culture. most Japanese are against whaling expansion since very few of them can actually afford whale.
Uhh, no. This is about as far from true as anything I have ever read. See my posts above. “Most” Japanese are nothing of the sort, and they resent the rest of the world for trying to regulate a very profitable portion of the Japanese economy, and their culinary delights.
Also, whale meat is expensive, but it is certainly not so exhorbitantly priced that the average Japanese cannot afford it. As a matter of fact, the poorest stratum of Japanese society is almost never seen without a $2000 Louis Vuitton bag or $1000 Louis Vuitton wallet. Whale meat looks like a can of tuna fish compared to this.
And it has everything to do with culture. You’d be surprised how annoyed this culture is with America’s meddling in it’s business (perceived or otherwise). From driver’s license regulation (ONLY for Americans) to beef restriction (ONLY for America) to annoyances such as that being discussed in this thread, the amount of “culture” that goes into and drives certain actions might just surprise the hell out of you, if you were actually in a position to know what you are talking about.
Now stop telling other people how ignorant they are until you do a little homework of your own.
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Dude I’m not sure what part of Japan you live in, but I spent a good bit of time in Iwakuni and Hiroshima and they wear US close from the 80’s Louis Vuitton being rare.
Dude I’m not sure what part of Japan you live in, but I spent a good bit of time in Iwakuni and Hiroshima and they wear US close from the 80’s Louis Vuitton being rare. [/quote]
That’s right where I live, actually (Yamaguchi Ken). I live here now. I have lived here for 7 years. My wife lives here. Both of us, with our own eyes, every single day, see people who live in shitty dirtbox apartments working part time jobs, and almost to a man each one of them has a Louis Vuitton bag.
I never said anything about clothes (though I don’t know about your 80’s clothes statement, as Japanese are some of the most fashionable people in the world), my statement was directed at the prior comment that ordinary Japanese people cannot afford whale meat. They very much can.
[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
jesus. you live in japan and have now idea what youre talking about. or do u just pull this crap outta ur ass for shits and giggles?[/quote]
I’ll make sure the next time I need to know something about Japan that I’ll defer to your expert knowledge of it, and not that of my Japanese wife, or my Japanese family, or my seven years living here.
I imagine massive amounts of international pressure might have had a little bit to do with that.
Cortes, you are aware that you can get Korean-made fake Vuitton and Versace bags in practically every burakumin shop in Japan, right? I mean, I saw 'em all over Chiba and Shizuoka, I assume things are no different over there in Yamaguchi (or would that be Yama Gucci?). That might be what you’re seeing.
Otherwise, I agree with your points. The cheapest, shittiest little market in Shimoda even carried dolphin fillets (Shimoda was a big dolphin-hunting center as far back as the Jomon Period), and while a little expensive, they certainly weren’t out of reach of someone of average means.
PB, the reason the Japanese hunted whales was not because the Japanese traditionally loved to eat whale meat. It was because whale meat was cheap (cheaper than domestic beef, and cheaper than imported US or Australian beef, which is now very cheap). So cheap, in fact, that that’s what the Japanese government used whenever it could to put in the public school lunches.
Nor do the Japanese seem to exhibit the typical Western reaction of disgust and pathos at the killing of a large mammal, any more than our Cro-magnon ancestors probably wept at the harvest of a wooly mammoth.
In other words, turning the meat on the dinner table into a moral, or worse yet, political issue seems, to the great majority of the Japanese that I know, rather silly.
Nor do the Japanese seem to exhibit the typical Western reaction of disgust and pathos at the killing of a large mammal, any more than our Cro-magnon ancestors probably wept at the harvest of a wooly mammoth.
In other words, turning the meat on the dinner table into a moral, or worse yet, political issue seems, to the great majority of the Japanese that I know, rather silly.
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i understand what youre saying. While the soccer mom/peta part of the whale conservation movement might hold this sentiment, i couldnt care less, hell if whale tastes good, i’d probably try it.
the other part of this movement, the academic part, to which i agree with is not against whaling because of disgust(although death by harpoon would be a shitty way to die)im much more concerned about the ecological impact of whaling expansion on ocean ecosystems (plankton blooms ect.)
label me a cultural imperialist, what ever you can make up. but the balance and vitality of an ecosystem that covers the majority of this planet, provides to the stability to our existence, and is the only source of food for millions on this planet, has a bit more priority than the hurt feelings of a single nation.
label me a cultural imperialist, what ever you can make up. but the balance and vitality of an ecosystem that covers the majority of this planet, provides to the stability to our existence, and is the only source of food for millions on this planet, has a bit more priority than the hurt feelings of a single nation.[/quote]
I sometimes wonder what the ecological consequences of the sudden extinction of H. sapiens would be. I seriously doubt it would be “nothing”, nor probably would it be positive, at first. I imagine whitetail deer and feral pigs would overrun the North American continent in as little as a hundred years.
label me a cultural imperialist, what ever you can make up. but the balance and vitality of an ecosystem that covers the majority of this planet, provides to the stability to our existence, and is the only source of food for millions on this planet, has a bit more priority than the hurt feelings of a single nation.
I sometimes wonder what the ecological consequences of the sudden extinction of H. sapiens would be. I seriously doubt it would be “nothing”, nor probably would it be positive, at first. I imagine whitetail deer and feral pigs would overrun the North American continent in as little as a hundred years.[/quote]
there was a good show on discovery about that, Humanity A.D. i think, but focused more on how environments change in the cities. Non native species that were suppressing would obliterate a lot of areas until they die off and leave it for shit for a few hundred years.
deer and pigs would def rise in the short period but predators would increase and it would most likely balance out in the long term, natures pretty good at balancing non-human species in the long run.
but a lot of species that we inflate like pigeons and rats would be reduced pretty quickly once immediate food is gone.
i think the most interesting part of the show discussed was that after hundreds of years ect. buildings like skyscrapers that didnt collapse would hold mini ecosystems on each floor where different groups of plants and animals would dominate.
I’m of the opinion that whatever creature goes extinct their will always be another creature(s) to fill it’s biological density.
I’m also of the opinion that no matter what animal population explodes because of this “ecological disaster” causing some catastrophic collapse of a big food industry, their will always be someone(probably the same industry companies) to sell me this tasty NEW animal to eat.
I’m hoping for polar bear.
I mean, I don’t fancy eating just chicken and beef all the time.
I would love some polar bear or dolphin or whale or otter.
…and when we drive them to extinction you and I and every other population will consume something else that the market provides.
…but, alas, this will not happen, because people don’t like failing companies or industries or markets or populations of poor, poor, tasty animals…
…because governments through the guise of protection, welfare, job security, etc. have handcuffed the ingenuity of people to provide an alternative to the ready consumer.