The only type of spiritual insight you will gain from drugs like this is that it directly forces you out of your thinking mind and forces you into intense presence… You can sometimes gain the wisdom not normally accessible to someone to identified and stuck in the thinking head… However drugs can totally alter and fuck with your brain chemistry and body why do something like that?
Einstein is a great example of natural intelligence by being firmly grounded into presence… So is Carl Jung, Stephen Hawking, and some other brilliant people in all different types of fields… Seems by my expirence everyone doing these types of drugs just wants to tap into that creative and blissful power of presence without knowing how to ground themselves into the Now.
While it’s not where you want to be if your one and only intent is to dance all night, no psychonaut takes ketamine while intentionally trying to avoid the k-hole.
[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
The only type of spiritual insight you will gain from drugs like this is that it directly forces you out of your thinking mind and forces you into intense presence… You can sometimes gain the wisdom not normally accessible to someone to identified and stuck in the thinking head… However drugs can totally alter and fuck with your brain chemistry and body why do something like that?
Einstein is a great example of natural intelligence by being firmly grounded into presence… So is Carl Jung, Stephen Hawking, and some other brilliant people in all different types of fields… Seems by my expirence everyone doing these types of drugs just wants to tap into that creative and blissful power of presence without knowing how to ground themselves into the Now. [/quote]
You really like to make sweeping generalizations, eh? How the hell do you know how the persons you mentioned perceived the world? Also, how the hell do you know what every single person can take away from drug experiences? Simple, you don’t. Or perhaps you are an all knowing entity. Wait, are you god?
I went to Ibiza last summer. I took E for the first time at a club. It was by far one of the best experiences of my life. Fuck do I wish I had a baggie full of those exact E pills.
I can’t do anything more than E/MDMA and smoking weed. Anything else and I think I’d just trip out way too much. Know your limits and play within them - you’ll be fine.
[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
I went to Ibiza last summer. I took E for the first time at a club. It was by far one of the best experiences of my life. Fuck do I wish I had a baggie full of those exact E pills.
I can’t do anything more than E/MDMA and smoking weed. Anything else and I think I’d just trip out way too much. Know your limits and play within them - you’ll be fine. [/quote]
Given my recent experience, I now have some respect for those people pushing the envelop on the psychedelics (heroic doses or combinations). The sort of panic/freak out I have experienced seems to be rather common. Well, mine was pretty mild compared to some of stuff you can read about.
Not sure how I missed this originally, but I have vast experiences with psychedelic drugs that definitely allowed for incredibly deep introflection and personal revelations that have helped shaped me into a better human being in almost every way possible.
Sadly, those days seem to be past me now, though I’ve since had a few endeavors with “superficial” excursions at night clubs, or what have you.
[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
The only type of spiritual insight you will gain from drugs like this is that it directly forces you out of your thinking mind and forces you into intense presence… You can sometimes gain the wisdom not normally accessible to someone to identified and stuck in the thinking head… However drugs can totally alter and fuck with your brain chemistry and body why do something like that?
Einstein is a great example of natural intelligence by being firmly grounded into presence… So is Carl Jung, Stephen Hawking, and some other brilliant people in all different types of fields… Seems by my expirence everyone doing these types of drugs just wants to tap into that creative and blissful power of presence without knowing how to ground themselves into the Now. [/quote]
You really like to make sweeping generalizations, eh? How the hell do you know how the persons you mentioned perceived the world? Also, how the hell do you know what every single person can take away from drug experiences? Simple, you don’t. Or perhaps you are an all knowing entity. Wait, are you god?[/quote]
Not really I like to just give the only perspective I have on it, I can’t make any other note because I don’t have experince… Never done drugs and don’t plan too, some people do it for all sorts of different reasons… I only make a generalization in my prognosis and what is relevant to me… If it doesn’t agree with you that is fine It is not needed too… There are a million different possibilities and every situation is extremely unique to the person at hand. I am simply putting in some input on what I find to at least some extent and leaving it there. I could just say I have no idea and neither do you aside from you’re own experience but that doesn’t yield to different possibilites in and of itself though.
[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
The only type of spiritual insight you will gain from drugs like this is that it directly forces you out of your thinking mind and forces you into intense presence… You can sometimes gain the wisdom not normally accessible to someone to identified and stuck in the thinking head… However drugs can totally alter and fuck with your brain chemistry and body why do something like that?
Einstein is a great example of natural intelligence by being firmly grounded into presence… So is Carl Jung, Stephen Hawking, and some other brilliant people in all different types of fields… Seems by my expirence everyone doing these types of drugs just wants to tap into that creative and blissful power of presence without knowing how to ground themselves into the Now. [/quote]
You really like to make sweeping generalizations, eh? How the hell do you know how the persons you mentioned perceived the world? Also, how the hell do you know what every single person can take away from drug experiences? Simple, you don’t. Or perhaps you are an all knowing entity. Wait, are you god?[/quote]
Not really I like to just give the only perspective I have on it, I can’t make any other note because I don’t have experince… Never done drugs and don’t plan too, some people do it for all sorts of different reasons… I only make a generalization in my prognosis and what is relevant to me… If it doesn’t agree with you that is fine It is not needed too… There are a million different possibilities and every situation is extremely unique to the person at hand. I am simply putting in some input on what I find to at least some extent and leaving it there. I could just say I have no idea and neither do you aside from you’re own experience but that doesn’t yield to different possibilites in and of itself though. [/quote]
Hahaha yeah I probably shouldn’t even bother posting in this thread, just going off friends expirences and wondering if what I mentioned rings true for anyone else on here… Of course I am just trying to look at things objectively so don’t take anything I say too seriously…
[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
The only type of spiritual insight you will gain from drugs like this is that it directly forces you out of your thinking mind and forces you into intense presence… You can sometimes gain the wisdom not normally accessible to someone to identified and stuck in the thinking head… However drugs can totally alter and fuck with your brain chemistry and body why do something like that?
Einstein is a great example of natural intelligence by being firmly grounded into presence… So is Carl Jung, Stephen Hawking, and some other brilliant people in all different types of fields… Seems by my expirence everyone doing these types of drugs just wants to tap into that creative and blissful power of presence without knowing how to ground themselves into the Now. [/quote]
I don’t use, but Carl Sagan sure as shit did and was absolutely brilliant.
[quote]Michael Crehan wrote:
One time when I was tripping hard, I thought I could telepathically talk to people who weren’t in the room.[/quote]
While these kind of snippets are cool and all, I think the true power / value of these type of drugs cannot ever be put into written word. The change of cognitive functions is so alien to the “normal” world experience that you really have to experience it yourself to get any idea of it.
Those people that are against drug use for whatever reason, will typically reduce the whole thing simply as “seeing funny shit”, “being fucked up”, etc. Well, sometimes it is but there really is more to it. Not saying these drugs will change how the world works but…
[quote]SSC wrote:
Not sure how I missed this originally, but I have vast experiences with psychedelic drugs that definitely allowed for incredibly deep introflection and personal revelations that have helped shaped me into a better human being in almost every way possible.[/quote]
Would like to hear more about this. Perhaps one or two examples from what you think you learned from the drug experiences.
Will never forget my first- and last- trip. I went to a Page Plant concert. I had a tab of acid, and small bit of 'shrooms a bit later. Concert was A-m-A-z-I-n-G! You could see, feel and taste (yes taste) the music. And it was hard to explain. Vocals had a certain taste (like a steak) and chords had another (think seasoning). But the tastes were completely unknown to me. The best way to describe it as ‘alien fruit’.
And then it got weird. And bad. I came home and was still in college. I was enrolled in calculus, and had some work out of the coffee table. I started looking at the math, and crazy shit started happening. I wish I had a voice recorder or wrote it down. But I remember I “discovered” a new formula that had to do with space and understanding the universe. Think E=mc2 but more so.
Here is the bad part. I ran to my neighbors, and went crazy trying to explain my new math discovery. I was passionate to the point of being aggressive. Thank God the cops weren’t called. But it could have got bad. Luckily they convinced me to go to sleep, and I tried for 6 hours with my thoughts haunting me.
1 and done for me. Should have never done this together.
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Will never forget my first- and last- trip. I went to a Page Plant concert. I had a tab of acid, and small bit of 'shrooms a bit later. Concert was A-m-A-z-I-n-G! You could see, feel and taste (yes taste) the music. And it was hard to explain. Vocals had a certain taste (like a steak) and chords had another (think seasoning). But the tastes were completely unknown to me. The best way to describe it as ‘alien fruit’.
And then it got weird. And bad. I came home and was still in college. I was enrolled in calculus, and had some work out of the coffee table. I started looking at the math, and crazy shit started happening. I wish I had a voice recorder or wrote it down. But I remember I “discovered” a new formula that had to do with space and understanding the universe. Think E=mc2 but more so.
Here is the bad part. I ran to my neighbors, and went crazy trying to explain my new math discovery. I was passionate to the point of being aggressive. Thank God the cops weren’t called. But it could have got bad. Luckily they convinced me to go to sleep, and I tried for 6 hours with my thoughts haunting me.
1 and done for me. Should have never done this together. [/quote]
LOL what are you talking about, that’s a great story.
I think it’s interesting that you think alien fruit tastes like earth steak. You should trip again and see if their steak tastes like our fruit. It damned well better!
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Will never forget my first- and last- trip. I went to a Page Plant concert. I had a tab of acid, and small bit of 'shrooms a bit later. Concert was A-m-A-z-I-n-G! You could see, feel and taste (yes taste) the music. And it was hard to explain. Vocals had a certain taste (like a steak) and chords had another (think seasoning). But the tastes were completely unknown to me. The best way to describe it as ‘alien fruit’.
And then it got weird. And bad. I came home and was still in college. I was enrolled in calculus, and had some work out of the coffee table. I started looking at the math, and crazy shit started happening. I wish I had a voice recorder or wrote it down. But I remember I “discovered” a new formula that had to do with space and understanding the universe. Think E=mc2 but more so.
Here is the bad part. I ran to my neighbors, and went crazy trying to explain my new math discovery. I was passionate to the point of being aggressive. Thank God the cops weren’t called. But it could have got bad. Luckily they convinced me to go to sleep, and I tried for 6 hours with my thoughts haunting me.
1 and done for me. Should have never done this together. [/quote]
LOL what are you talking about, that’s a great story.
I think it’s interesting that you think alien fruit tastes like earth steak. You should trip again and see if their steak tastes like our fruit. It damned well better![/quote]
No the steak was a relatable example. Definitely was ‘Alien Fruit’. You know, the crazy thing about that trip… Is that I can almost remember that damn formula. It’s like it’s on the tip of my brain in some recessed place. I’m temped to try to go there, but that trip was the perfect storm.
And I remember being able to see people’s personality. It was like the shape of their body, but a whole fucking different. Weird.
The personalities were like this shape-shifting aura that altered their bodies when the laughed or got angry. Difficult to describe… But I remember it was insane. I think (honestly) that my brain was compensating while I was in that loud concert, since talking was difficult…
I would never actually suggest doing such a thing, and of course only go somewhere where such behavior is legal…but it’s possible that 100mg of medical-grade ketamine, injected IM, while reclining comfortably in a darkened but not black room might offer a unique glimpse into the nature of the ego in the absence of memory and somatic associations.
Toss in a qualified babysitter and a flotation/sensory deprivation tank and you’ve got yourself a story for your grandkids.
Something really wild: Drug of choice + a trip to the ZOO = an unpredictable and unforgettable experience.
A friend of mine did it, and he had conversations with all types of animals. Of course it was a problem he was out in public and with families. So they made him dress like a homeless man.
Guy did it on a dare for I think $200. And free dope of course.
I mean, that dude could have done some dumb shit like jumped the fence and got torn apart by a Tiger or something. Or worse, had a chimp tear his balls off.