little of both haha. I started getting really nauseous and stomach pain. I just remember remember waking up with my friend at the door who came to drag me to the doctor cuz she thought I was going to die hahaha. Everything was spinning so fast and I was convinced that it was not real. Very dreamlike, which drove me nuts. It was like the world was caving in on me, I had no clue where I was, and like you said…the distance thing. People two feet in front of me seemed miles away. That and when anything moved, it was like it was in slow motion, like there was a blur behind it. Hard to describe. I was on Wellbutrin, Prozac, Xanax, Zithromax, Flonase, used a Ventolin inhaler, and then took a lot of the DXM. Bad times lol.
Has anyone ever used Ibogaine? either to get fucked up or for therapeutic reasons? If anyone knows anything about it let me know. I’m very interested in trying it for its potential help with depression.
[quote]E901 wrote:
little of both haha. I started getting really nauseous and stomach pain. I just remember remember waking up with my friend at the door who came to drag me to the doctor cuz she thought I was going to die hahaha. Everything was spinning so fast and I was convinced that it was not real. Very dreamlike, which drove me nuts. It was like the world was caving in on me, I had no clue where I was, and like you said…the distance thing. People two feet in front of me seemed miles away. That and when anything moved, it was like it was in slow motion, like there was a blur behind it. Hard to describe. I was on Wellbutrin, Prozac, Xanax, Zithromax, Flonase, used a Ventolin inhaler, and then took a lot of the DXM. Bad times lol. [/quote]
A few reasons I wouldn’t do dxm again. The hangover is awful and I’m too busy to trip for 8-10 hours and then have a hangover that lasts for a day or so. There will be puking or at least a very upset stomach within an hour or two after taking it. The latter is worse, it’s just best to get it out. I also think it hurt my declarative memory a tiny bit. That’s the kind of memory related to dates, names, places, that sort of thing as opposed to procedural memory. I also don’t know how it would interact with a tricyclic antidepressant I take for my nervous stomach syndrome.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I did a lot of mushrooms and lsd when I was younger.
Unfortunately I missed out on the part where I felt like I discovered a new universe hidden behind the thin veil of “reality”. I just wanted to get fucked up.
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lol, me and you could be friends
[quote]Karado wrote:
“StevenF” typed as soberly as Pat Boone: “no I am an adult with responsibilities and I need my brain to be functional.”
Yet your so-called functional Brain forgot to capitalize the first letter in your sentence,
and forgot the comma after the word “no”.
People forget Francis Crick’s discovery of DNA while on LSD, and the early use of Drugs by Bill Gates,
Steve Jobs, The Conservative’s Conservative, William F. Buckley, legendary Astronomer Carl Sagan, etc.
You want me to go on? I gotta Ton of these Brother, so what are you talkin’ about?
Were these people’s Brains “functional”? I’d say they were, and you would you say the same,
which means you were broad brushing.
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You are a stupendously stupid jackass. StevenF’s one sentence contained simple truth and far more insight than your little diatribe of drivel.
While psychedelic use may have contributed to the work of Crick and Sagan, Gates was simply a hard core business man who bought or stole product and mass produced. Jobs was an antisocial, smelly little prick that rode on the back of others.
What you fail to see is that for every person who has benefited from such drugs, hundreds if not thousands have had their lives permanently damaged or even ended. Perhaps you should look into LSD psychosis or LSD induced schizophrenia.
I have done more than my fair share of psychedelics. I never had a bad trip but I have watched others come undone. I had a girlfriend try to commit suicide, be pulled out of college and spend six months in treatment. Two other friends made good on their attempts to kill themselves.
I could go on, you silly fuck, because I know what I am talking about. Instead, why don’t you check my punctuation then go reinsert your head in your ass so that all is right in your world again.
[quote]JEATON wrote:
I have done more than my fair share of psychedelics. I never had a bad trip but I have watched others come undone. I had a girlfriend try to commit suicide, be pulled out of college and spend six months in treatment. Two other friends made good on their attempts to kill themselves.
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some folks just can’t handle the party
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I did a lot of mushrooms and lsd when I was younger.
Unfortunately I missed out on the part where I felt like I discovered a new universe hidden behind the thin veil of “reality”. I just wanted to get fucked up.
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lol, me and you could be friends[/quote]
Yeah man. Strip it down to the bare bones of intention and getting the biggest bang for the buck.
[quote]JEATON wrote:
[quote]Karado wrote:
“StevenF” typed as soberly as Pat Boone: “no I am an adult with responsibilities and I need my brain to be functional.”
[…]
You want me to go on? I gotta Ton of these Brother, so what are you talkin’ about?
Were these people’s Brains “functional”? I’d say they were, and you would you say the same,
which means you were broad brushing.
[/quote]
What you fail to see is that for every person who has benefited from such drugs, hundreds if not thousands have had their lives permanently damaged or even ended.[/quote]
I get both sides here, but the essential idea is still “I need my brain to be functional”.
I think the bigger problem is the people who are naive and uneducated when they try things. Drugs (of all sorts) are just tools, and tools can be used responsibly or misused/abused.
It’s sort of like the whole “drink responsibly” campaigns. On one end of the spectrum, you have people saying that drinking is always irresponsible. But really, there’s a line where it moves to being clearly irresponsible.
This argument’s like “drink more! everyone’s doing it!” vs “don’t drink! it kills brain cells and is bad for you”. But the real answer is somewhere in the middle.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]JEATON wrote:
[quote]Karado wrote:
“StevenF” typed as soberly as Pat Boone: “no I am an adult with responsibilities and I need my brain to be functional.”
[…]
You want me to go on? I gotta Ton of these Brother, so what are you talkin’ about?
Were these people’s Brains “functional”? I’d say they were, and you would you say the same,
which means you were broad brushing.
[/quote]
What you fail to see is that for every person who has benefited from such drugs, hundreds if not thousands have had their lives permanently damaged or even ended.[/quote]
I get both sides here, but the essential idea is still “I need my brain to be functional”.
I think the bigger problem is the people who are naive and uneducated when they try things. Drugs (of all sorts) are just tools, and tools can be used responsibly or misused/abused.
It’s sort of like the whole “drink responsibly” campaigns. On one end of the spectrum, you have people saying that drinking is always irresponsible. But really, there’s a line where it moves to being clearly irresponsible.
This argument’s like “drink more! everyone’s doing it!” vs “don’t drink! it kills brain cells and is bad for you”. But the real answer is somewhere in the middle.[/quote]
Not that black and white. Not all drugs are the same. you can get hooked on some drugs after one use. Then its almost beyond your control…
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]JEATON wrote:
[quote]Karado wrote:
“StevenF” typed as soberly as Pat Boone: “no I am an adult with responsibilities and I need my brain to be functional.”
[…]
You want me to go on? I gotta Ton of these Brother, so what are you talkin’ about?
Were these people’s Brains “functional”? I’d say they were, and you would you say the same,
which means you were broad brushing.
[/quote]
What you fail to see is that for every person who has benefited from such drugs, hundreds if not thousands have had their lives permanently damaged or even ended.[/quote]
I get both sides here, but the essential idea is still “I need my brain to be functional”.
I think the bigger problem is the people who are naive and uneducated when they try things. Drugs (of all sorts) are just tools, and tools can be used responsibly or misused/abused.
It’s sort of like the whole “drink responsibly” campaigns. On one end of the spectrum, you have people saying that drinking is always irresponsible. But really, there’s a line where it moves to being clearly irresponsible.
This argument’s like “drink more! everyone’s doing it!” vs “don’t drink! it kills brain cells and is bad for you”. But the real answer is somewhere in the middle.[/quote]
Concerning the most common psychadelics, I agree. But as responsible as one is with alcohol, one has to be even more responsible with psychadelics. You don’t start with 9 hits of acid your first trip and you have to research drug interactions… but then again the same applies to alcohol.
[quote]E901 wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]JEATON wrote:
[quote]Karado wrote:
“StevenF” typed as soberly as Pat Boone: “no I am an adult with responsibilities and I need my brain to be functional.”
[…]
You want me to go on? I gotta Ton of these Brother, so what are you talkin’ about?
Were these people’s Brains “functional”? I’d say they were, and you would you say the same,
which means you were broad brushing.
[/quote]
What you fail to see is that for every person who has benefited from such drugs, hundreds if not thousands have had their lives permanently damaged or even ended.[/quote]
I get both sides here, but the essential idea is still “I need my brain to be functional”.
I think the bigger problem is the people who are naive and uneducated when they try things. Drugs (of all sorts) are just tools, and tools can be used responsibly or misused/abused.
It’s sort of like the whole “drink responsibly” campaigns. On one end of the spectrum, you have people saying that drinking is always irresponsible. But really, there’s a line where it moves to being clearly irresponsible.
This argument’s like “drink more! everyone’s doing it!” vs “don’t drink! it kills brain cells and is bad for you”. But the real answer is somewhere in the middle.[/quote]
Not that black and white. Not all drugs are the same. you can get hooked on some drugs after one use. Then its almost beyond your control…
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I agree, but you made me laugh by replying “Not that black and white” to a post where I was actually focusing on the gray area 
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]E901 wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]JEATON wrote:
[quote]Karado wrote:
“StevenF” typed as soberly as Pat Boone: “no I am an adult with responsibilities and I need my brain to be functional.”
[…]
You want me to go on? I gotta Ton of these Brother, so what are you talkin’ about?
Were these people’s Brains “functional”? I’d say they were, and you would you say the same,
which means you were broad brushing.
[/quote]
What you fail to see is that for every person who has benefited from such drugs, hundreds if not thousands have had their lives permanently damaged or even ended.[/quote]
I get both sides here, but the essential idea is still “I need my brain to be functional”.
I think the bigger problem is the people who are naive and uneducated when they try things. Drugs (of all sorts) are just tools, and tools can be used responsibly or misused/abused.
It’s sort of like the whole “drink responsibly” campaigns. On one end of the spectrum, you have people saying that drinking is always irresponsible. But really, there’s a line where it moves to being clearly irresponsible.
This argument’s like “drink more! everyone’s doing it!” vs “don’t drink! it kills brain cells and is bad for you”. But the real answer is somewhere in the middle.[/quote]
Not that black and white. Not all drugs are the same. you can get hooked on some drugs after one use. Then its almost beyond your control…
[/quote]
I agree, but you made me laugh by replying “Not that black and white” to a post where I was actually focusing on the gray area ;)[/quote]
Honestly, right after I posted that…I wasn’t even sure what I was trying to say LOL
[quote]JEATON wrote:
I could go on, you silly fuck, because I know what I am talking about. Instead, why don’t you check my punctuation then go reinsert your head in your ass so that all is right in your world again. [/quote]
Since this thread is dead…you sound like a mean drunk.
[quote]E901 wrote:
DXM?? does that count?? oh and soo much coke![/quote]
I would say it depends. IMO, it’s not so much about what drugs you are using as opposed to the purpose of the experience. There’s nothing wrong with taking drugs to get “fucked up” or for a temporary boost if you do it responsibly. Alcohol is, from a pharmacological standpoint, a hard drug and we have too many people using irresponsibly already. I would say a psychonaut is someone who respects the drug and goes into the experience with a clear therapeutic goal (whether it is gaining insight into spirituality, psychological therapy, understanding perception, etc.) from the outset.
Personally, I do not believe that you can achieve a spiritual consciousness through drugs, but I have found that tryptamine-based psychedelics (e.g. LSD, shrooms, etc.) allow me to do a self-inventory of my personality in an unbiased way, by stripping away all my preconceived notions (good and bad) of self. This allows me to evaluate myself in a neutral way, so I can keep the parts I like and work on changing those that I don’t.
The subjective feeling while on tryptamines is also one of salience (i.e. “everything feels sgnificant, more than coincidence, like it was meant to be”). Strong, meaningful stimuli allow changes effected during a trip to be much more lasting. I always feel a little down for about a week after a strong trip, but perk up afterwards, and I am happier and feel like a better person for months or longer. Psychedelics have changed my life in a positive way. They aren’t for everyone or even most, but we shouldn’t deny their potential to heal. But they should always be treated very seriously and with great respect, for though the physiological risks are minimal, the risk of psychological damage is undeniably present.
Drugs, especially psychedelic drugs, are a very personal decision, one we should make with great respect, for they have the potential to induce the most significant, best, or worst experience of a lifetime. I am glad for what psychedelics have granted to me, so I do not wish to abuse that gift and endlessly chase something more. Right now, lifting fills that void and I am happier and living cleaner than I have in years. Drugs can be of great benefit, but they should never be something a healthy person needs to get by.
@Fletch: Reading your post gave me a seriously eerie feeling. I could’ve very well been reading about my own life.
Done my share, had an absolute BLAST! Not a single regret.
Just a quick update. I finally got around and did some high-dosed 4-AcO-DMT (similar to magic mushrooms) the other day.
All I can say that it was INTENSE. I experienced bliss, TERROR, and utter confusion. Sadly the peak phase was scary as hell since I was going way too fast for my little mind. Was thinking that I was going insane permanently. I think the dosage was a bit too high for me. Not sure if I will do something like this again any time soon. But glad that I did it.
Years ago, I did a shitload of acid and a good amount of shrooms. From age 17-22, I did acid at least 50 times. Shrooms at least 20. I also smoked a shitload of weed in those days. After taking large doses of high potency acid at least a few times per month for at least 6 months, I developed schizophrenic symptoms, delusions, and was sent to mental rehabilitation.
They figured that I may be stuck like that forever and that I needed to be on antipsychotic medication, but I didn’t take that shit. I just stopped eating shitloads of acid and I got better. I have done it a few times since then, but I didn’t enjoy it like I used to. I even started getting a bit crazy again. I still smoked shitloads of weed for years after, but now I don’t really like drugs anymore.
[quote]Michael Crehan wrote:
They figured that I may be stuck like that forever and that I needed to be on antipsychotic medication, but I didn’t take that shit. I just stopped eating shitloads of acid and I got better.[/quote]
Haha, who would have thought that it could have been the acid.
Any particular memorable experiences?
Oh jeeze, just seeing faces and eyes everywhere. Music sounding so intensely amazing. Trees melting into the ground. Peoples eyes turning into one eye when their heads took a different shape. Staying awake for days and not eating. Blank walls taking designs like a mosaic. Also, wicked mood swings. Very happy to very angry in seconds.
When I went to psychiatric rehab, they diagnosed me as bipolar and said that the acid brought out severe mania. I never admitted to doing acid when I was in there because I thought they were secretly government agents who would take me away. Also, when the ambulance was bringing me there, I thought I was being taken away to a new, better life that I had always dreamed of. Don’t remember exactly what it was though. Something military-like I think.
Gotta go to work now, who would have ever thought I’d become a personal trainer. Used to be a plumber when I was all fucked up. A few times I did plumbing when I was tripping balls and was actually even better at it than I already was, probably due to the powerful stimulation. My coworkers would tell me to slow down and I’d just keep going without making a mistake. Clockeating bastards.