[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
xb100 wrote:
If anyone can PM me some links to online gun stores/shops that would be great, like I said, I’m having a hard time finding stuff on AR 15’s and AK’s.
I like to use GunBroker to get an idea of the market price for guns.
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Me too. Find a local FFL and see what they charge for a transfer (about $20 around here). I believe GunBroker gives the buyer a three day inspection period too.
[quote]xb100 wrote:
So far I’m really liking the Ruger Mini 14.
It just looks like a real comfortable gun.
I’ve found a few used ones going for mid 400’s so that isn’t totally out of my price range.
Thanks for all the info![/quote]
I have one and it is a fun gun to shoot. Reliable and very light. However it is not very accurate. 3-4moa at the most. It also has a pencil thin barrel that heats up easy and further distorts accuracy. The only reliable mags for it are Ruger factory mags. The 5 rd is standard. The 20 rd. cost about $50 and is not available thru Ruger if you are not a cop. You can buy it on the net. I’ve never seen the 30 rd. they make for the mini but it is available on the selective fire version I believe.
Long winded answer but it is as relaible as an AK and about as accurate. Good plinker. Buy the “Ranch Rifle” variant of the mini and you can put a scope on it real easy which will help out the accuracy to a degree.
Not get way off topic, but do you guys know if Bushnell are good scopes?
I’ve been thinking about putting a scope on my .22 and just was looking around at work today, they seemed like the best quality scopes I could find.
I forget what particular ones they were though.
-xb
[quote]Hagar wrote:
Bump this! I’ve always wanted one but the nazi’s in my state outlawed them.
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Have you heard of the whole off-list lower situation? Although AR’s have been banned by name (i.e. colt) and features (detachable magazine and flashhider, etc.) If you buy an off-list lower, and pin the magazine you can still have an AR. Of course, it sucks that you have to load your magazine by popping open the upper receiver.
The 2 rifles in the picture are legal here in CA because the lower receivers are not on the banned list and they don’t have any illegal featers (they have 10 round mags pinned so the rifles can not accept “detachable magazines”).
Check out www.calguns.net for more info.
Here’s a lengthy FAQ with all the details: A California AR/AK “Series” Assault Weapon FAQ…
Xb100, Bushnell makes decent scopes. If you’re getting one for a .22 there won’t be much shock to the scope anyway so you won’t have to worry about it breaking too soon.
My personal favorite from military days was the M-14 sniper adaptations. It seems like today, most of the lower end, grunt sniper rifles are built up from Remington M700s. Still, if you really need an accurate weapon, it’s hard to pass up a Barrett. Assuming you have a very hardy shoulder. Which brings us back to why this thread on a bodybuilding forum.
I’ve never heard anyone complain about a CZ. Great quality at a reasonable price. A CZ .308 will be my next rifle. They are extremely accurate and they hold a hell of a reputation. I know that you can get them for less than what the MSRP is on their website.
http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=49
[quote]xb100 wrote:
Not get way off topic, but do you guys know if Bushnell are good scopes?
I’ve been thinking about putting a scope on my .22 and just was looking around at work today, they seemed like the best quality scopes I could find.
I forget what particular ones they were though.
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I have one on a .22mag Marlin Bolt Action. It is a 2-7X variable. Works well, decent clarity for a scope that was less then $100 with rings.
Nikon also makes an excellent scope for about $130. It is variable from 2-7X also. Believe it is the Buckmaster series. It is high quality for the money and has a relatively short tube length.
FWW, I just read a review on the new Savage Model 10 varmint rifle in American Hunter. Nothing but rave reviews and the gun has all the things one would want in a shooter. Better yet, the MSRP was something like $650. Shot a .92" group out of the box with box ammo. Comes in .204, .223 and .22-250.
[quote]xb100 wrote:
Not get way off topic, but do you guys know if Bushnell are good scopes?
I’ve been thinking about putting a scope on my .22 and just was looking around at work today, they seemed like the best quality scopes I could find.
I forget what particular ones they were though.
-xb[/quote]
Bushnell’s are just fine for regular use. I have a 4x12 on my 17 HMR that I bought at K-Mart for $100.00 and I make inch five shot groups at 100 yards with it. You can’t ask for better then that unless you’re shooting competitively. I had a cheap $12 dollar Tasco scope 3x7 on my 22 mag Winchester lever and no cottontail was safe from a head shot out to seventy yards with it. Cheap scopes can be fine for regular use, but if you were shooting targets or animals 400 yards and beyond a high dollar quality scope becomes important.
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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
xb100 wrote:
Not get way off topic, but do you guys know if Bushnell are good scopes?
I’ve been thinking about putting a scope on my .22 and just was looking around at work today, they seemed like the best quality scopes I could find.
I forget what particular ones they were though.
-xb
Bushnell’s are just fine for regular use. I have a 4x12 on my 17 HMR that I bought at K-Mart for $100.00 and I make inch five shot groups at 100 yards with it. You can’t ask for better then that unless you’re shooting competitively. I had a cheap $12 dollar Tasco scope 3x7 on my 22 mag Winchester lever and no cottontail was safe from a head shot out to seventy yards with it. Cheap scopes can be fine for regular use, but if you were shooting targets or animals 400 yards and beyond a high dollar quality scope becomes important.
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I sort of agree. These inexpensive scopes are great for the price, but I can’t just buy one, hahaha. I tend to go for vari x 3 Leupolds. I look at it this way, I’m going to have the gun for a long time, so that 350$ compared to 100$ doesn’t matter much.
But this is for my serious shooting rifles, used mainly for deer or varmints. For a 22 or another plinker bushnell or nikon is more than fine. I just got a H&K after market mount with a4X Burris for my H&K 308, just for some farther plinking. I’m sure it will be just fine.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
xb100 wrote:
Not get way off topic, but do you guys know if Bushnell are good scopes?
I’ve been thinking about putting a scope on my .22 and just was looking around at work today, they seemed like the best quality scopes I could find.
I forget what particular ones they were though.
-xb
Bushnell’s are just fine for regular use. I have a 4x12 on my 17 HMR that I bought at K-Mart for $100.00 and I make inch five shot groups at 100 yards with it. You can’t ask for better then that unless you’re shooting competitively. I had a cheap $12 dollar Tasco scope 3x7 on my 22 mag Winchester lever and no cottontail was safe from a head shot out to seventy yards with it. Cheap scopes can be fine for regular use, but if you were shooting targets or animals 400 yards and beyond a high dollar quality scope becomes important.
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I sort of agree. These inexpensive scopes are great for the price, but I can’t just buy one, hahaha. I tend to go for vari x 3 Leupolds. I look at it this way, I’m going to have the gun for a long time, so that 350$ compared to 100$ doesn’t matter much.
But this is for my serious shooting rifles, used mainly for deer or varmints. For a 22 or another plinker bushnell or nikon is more than fine. I just got a H&K after market mount with a4X Burris for my H&K 308, just for some farther plinking. I’m sure it will be just fine.
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I am an inexpensive scope man myself but I have peered through some pricey scopes during predawn and the difference is literally night and day.
If I ever get back into hunting a better quality scope is the first item on my list. My old Savage is plenty accurate but it sure helps to see in low light conditions.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
I sort of agree. These inexpensive scopes are great for the price, but I can’t just buy one, hahaha. I tend to go for vari x 3 Leupolds. I look at it this way, I’m going to have the gun for a long time, so that 350$ compared to 100$ doesn’t matter much.
But this is for my serious shooting rifles, used mainly for deer or varmints. For a 22 or another plinker bushnell or nikon is more than fine. I just got a H&K after market mount with a4X Burris for my H&K 308, just for some farther plinking. I’m sure it will be just fine.
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Yes, agreed for the most part with one minor exception. I have a Nikon Buckmaster on my 243 which I paid $300 at a Sportsmen’s Warehouse and from what the sales guy who seemed pretty honest and knowledgeable told me Nikons are considered to be pretty good quality with the Buckmasters being mid level, I think it’s the Monarch that is the high end $500 and beyond model. I can’t remember the name but they have a lower value one but it’s not the Buckmaster.
With my 243 and that Nikon and factory ammo I can keep two inch groups out to 200 yards which aint too bad for hunting purposes and the clarity and magnification are top notch IMO. Just had to stick up for my Nikon. Luepolds are great I have a couple but remember you can buy the lower end ones at K-Mart or Wal-Mart as well for $150 to 200.
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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
tom63 wrote:
I sort of agree. These inexpensive scopes are great for the price, but I can’t just buy one, hahaha. I tend to go for vari x 3 Leupolds. I look at it this way, I’m going to have the gun for a long time, so that 350$ compared to 100$ doesn’t matter much.
But this is for my serious shooting rifles, used mainly for deer or varmints. For a 22 or another plinker bushnell or nikon is more than fine. I just got a H&K after market mount with a4X Burris for my H&K 308, just for some farther plinking. I’m sure it will be just fine.
Yes, agreed for the most part with one minor exception. I have a Nikon Buckmaster on my 243 which I paid $300 at a Sportsmen’s Warehouse and from what the sales guy who seemed pretty honest and knowledgeable told me Nikons are considered to be pretty good quality with the Buckmasters being mid level, I think it’s the Monarch that is the high end $500 and beyond model. I can’t remember the name but they have a lower value one but it’s not the Buckmaster.
With my 243 and that Nikon and factory ammo I can keep two inch groups out to 200 yards which aint too bad for hunting purposes and the clarity and magnification are top notch IMO. Just had to stick up for my Nikon. Luepolds are great I have a couple but remember you can buy the lower end ones at K-Mart or Wal-Mart as well for $150 to 200.
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I like nikon, but the last time I bought a scope, the Leupold was jsut a little clearer in my opinion. I bought a 3 X 9 mil dot reticle scope. I think it was vari X 3. But I don’t think you’d go wrong with either brand.
Great thread. Ever since completing by AR-15 build (a 14.5" mid-length with YHM FF Rail, M4 Stock) I’ve been researching the so-called “scout” rifle, in particular the Savage 10 FCM.
What’s your guys’ take on “scout” rifles? Am I better off just getting a Savage 10FP? I like the idea of a “do anything” 308 that I can strap to my back and head out into the woods with (maybe for a hunt, maybe just to camp with, or if SHTF to take down zombies from 400yds), but it seems like I’d be losing a quite a bit of accuracy for just 1.8lbs (10FCM - 6.7lbs, 10FP 8.5 lbs) and I’m not sure about the forward sight.
[quote]Moriarty wrote:
Great thread. Ever since completing by AR-15 build (a 14.5" mid-length with YHM FF Rail, M4 Stock) I’ve been researching the so-called “scout” rifle, in particular the Savage 10 FCM.
What’s your guys’ take on “scout” rifles? Am I better off just getting a Savage 10FP? I like the idea of a “do anything” 308 that I can strap to my back and head out into the woods with (maybe for a hunt, maybe just to camp with, or if SHTF to take down zombies from 400yds), but it seems like I’d be losing a quite a bit of accuracy for just 1.8lbs (10FCM - 6.7lbs, 10FP 8.5 lbs) and I’m not sure about the forward sight.[/quote]
Moriarity
I shot a precision rifle match last Saturday. The guy next to me just bought a used Savage in a scout configuration. He had a 1-4X scope mounted up front. 20" barrel that was recrowned after being cut down. Bull barrel dia. I think the scope was a Burris.
Here’s my eval on it: Nice handly rifle. At 100 yds. he was fine from all positions. At 200 yds with a slight crosswind he wasn’t doing as well. Don’t recall he hit any of the steel targets which were 11"X16". I did not have any difficulty at all with my full length 10fp with 168gr. loads. I adjusted for windage and I believe he held offhand to compensate. My scope was also much higher powered. I am an experienced shooter. I don’t know his level of expertise.
My two cents. Get the full length model. You got an AR for close up work. Match ammo out of a 10fp is incredibly accurate.
[quote]Hagar wrote:
Blacksnake wrote:
I say go with an Armalite-15 clone for cheap…Versatile platform, tons of aftermarket stuff to trick it out in the future, ammo is reasonable $$, accurate, fun, cool, great for target work and one of the last great all-American designs from a genius so you get patriot points too/
Besides, (on a depressing note), they are still legal in your state last I looked, unlike others, where the media smear campaign suceeded in having them banned just because they looked “intimidating”…
Bump this! I’ve always wanted one but the nazi’s in my state outlawed them.
The Ruger mini 14 is a great rifle. Rounds are affordable and very accurate. [/quote]
However, I’ll never forgive Ruger for selling us out to Clinton to make a profit on so-called “hi-cap” mags (which we know are in fact “normal-cap” mags)…A rifle based on the M-1/M-14 platform could not fail to be cool though…
[quote]hedo wrote:
Moriarty wrote:
Great thread. Ever since completing by AR-15 build (a 14.5" mid-length with YHM FF Rail, M4 Stock) I’ve been researching the so-called “scout” rifle, in particular the Savage 10 FCM.
What’s your guys’ take on “scout” rifles? Am I better off just getting a Savage 10FP? I like the idea of a “do anything” 308 that I can strap to my back and head out into the woods with (maybe for a hunt, maybe just to camp with, or if SHTF to take down zombies from 400yds), but it seems like I’d be losing a quite a bit of accuracy for just 1.8lbs (10FCM - 6.7lbs, 10FP 8.5 lbs) and I’m not sure about the forward sight.
Moriarity
I shot a precision rifle match last Saturday. The guy next to me just bought a used Savage in a scout configuration. He had a 1-4X scope mounted up front. 20" barrel that was recrowned after being cut down. Bull barrel dia. I think the scope was a Burris.
Here’s my eval on it: Nice handly rifle. At 100 yds. he was fine from all positions. At 200 yds with a slight crosswind he wasn’t doing as well. Don’t recall he hit any of the steel targets which were 11"X16". I did not have any difficulty at all with my full length 10fp with 168gr. loads. I adjusted for windage and I believe he held offhand to compensate. My scope was also much higher powered. I am an experienced shooter. I don’t know his level of expertise.
My two cents. Get the full length model. You got an AR for close up work. Match ammo out of a 10fp is incredibly accurate.
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Thanks Hedo, this was exactly the kind of advice I was looking for. The scout configuration seems very interesting but my AR is already pretty damn good within the effective range of the 10 FCM.
I’ve heard nothing but great things about the 10FP and commonly here from owners that get sub moa out of box.
I second the Nikon Bushmaster. I just bought one for my Savage 111 lefthanded bolt with the BDC (Bullet Drop Compensator) reticle and the scope has accurate holdover positions for out to 400 yards I believe with .308 and out to 600 yards with winmags and the like.
Stupid thing was that I had to bring it in from the USA because the new person (see: woman) in charge of Nikon Canada doesn’t believe in hunting and doesn’t allow scopes to be sold here. Thats good for business. Asshat.
Hey, any of you shooters going to get some shooting in this Holiday weekend? I’ve been busy moving into a new home, but I’ve finally got Sunday to myself for some hill humping and cap blasting. I’ll be taking the .243 for yotes and maybe a Bobcat if lucky and trying the 17 HMR on some long rage bunnies.
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