just tell all the straight people to stop having kids, they’re the ones who have gay sons and daughters
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Do you even KNOW any gay people?[/quote]
This is a question that most liberals ask at some point. Their reasoning while flawed is siimple. “If Zeb only knew gay people then he would toss all of the statistics and evidence aside and agree with us.”
That’s amusing, but nothing new. I’ve known plenty of gay people in my life. In college, in some of my early work places. Currently I rent to a gay couple in one of my apartment houses. So, yeah I know them and it changes NOTHING. Why would it?
So what you’re saying is that forlife’s anecdotal evidence is far more important than the statistics and studies from the CDC.
You’re a silly man for saying that. But I understand. You want things to be a certain way and nothing else matters. Yeah, I’ve heard this several times from the liberal and politically correct. Try this sort of lack of reasoning when you study science and see how far it gets you.
By the way I know alcoholics too. And a few of them can operate without much chaos in their lives. But we all know what the statistics say. So tell me what should I believe? Is alcoholism a good thing or a bad thing?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Do you even KNOW any gay people?[/quote]
This is a question that most liberals ask at some point. Their reasoning while flawed is siimple. “If Zeb only knew gay people then he would toss all of the statistics and evidence aside and agree with us.”
That’s amusing, but nothing new. I’ve known plenty of gay people in my life. In college, in some of my early work places. Currently I rent to a gay couple in one of my apartment houses. So, yeah I know them and it changes NOTHING. Why would it?
So what you’re saying is that forlife’s anecdotal evidence is far more important than the statistics and studies from the CDC.
You’re a silly man for saying that. But I understand. You want things to be a certain way and nothing else matters. Yeah, I’ve heard this several times from the liberal and politically correct. Try this sort of lack of reasoning when you study science and see how far it gets you.
By the way I know alcoholics too. And a few of them can operate without much chaos in their lives. But we all know what the statistics say. So tell me what should I believe? Is alcoholism a good thing or a bad thing?[/quote]
I’m a woman.
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Do you even KNOW any gay people?[/quote]
This is a question that most liberals ask at some point. Their reasoning while flawed is siimple. “If Zeb only knew gay people then he would toss all of the statistics and evidence aside and agree with us.”
That’s amusing, but nothing new. I’ve known plenty of gay people in my life. In college, in some of my early work places. Currently I rent to a gay couple in one of my apartment houses. So, yeah I know them and it changes NOTHING. Why would it?
So what you’re saying is that forlife’s anecdotal evidence is far more important than the statistics and studies from the CDC.
You’re a silly man for saying that. But I understand. You want things to be a certain way and nothing else matters. Yeah, I’ve heard this several times from the liberal and politically correct. Try this sort of lack of reasoning when you study science and see how far it gets you.
By the way I know alcoholics too. And a few of them can operate without much chaos in their lives. But we all know what the statistics say. So tell me what should I believe? Is alcoholism a good thing or a bad thing?[/quote]
I’m a woman.[/quote]
I don’t care.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
I have to say that it is highly entertaining to see a proud Jew and someone who gets his anti gay talking points from, um, websites that are frequented by people that are extraordinairily proud of their, lets say, Caucasian heritage, arguing in unison.
I am positively enthralled.
[/quote]
Yes, we understand “Heil, mein FÃ?¼hrer!”, Herrenvolk, and Nordicism. We get it.[/quote]
Exactly why I put Orion on ignore a long time ago. Anyone who would brag about (probably fake) Nazi ancestors and pretends to be from Austria is really sad.
For the record, I have no idea what he is talking about. The Center for Disease Control is hardly racist. I presume whatever site he is talking about went and got the same data that everyone uses.
And again, what appears to be lost, is the solution should be to remove marriage from the public realm completely. It’s a private religious or contractual (or both) matter. It should be legally irrelevant.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
Do you even KNOW any gay people?[/quote]
This is a question that most liberals ask at some point. Their reasoning while flawed is siimple. “If Zeb only knew gay people then he would toss all of the statistics and evidence aside and agree with us.”
That’s amusing, but nothing new. I’ve known plenty of gay people in my life. In college, in some of my early work places. Currently I rent to a gay couple in one of my apartment houses. So, yeah I know them and it changes NOTHING. Why would it?
So what you’re saying is that forlife’s anecdotal evidence is far more important than the statistics and studies from the CDC.
You’re a silly man for saying that. But I understand. You want things to be a certain way and nothing else matters. Yeah, I’ve heard this several times from the liberal and politically correct. Try this sort of lack of reasoning when you study science and see how far it gets you.
By the way I know alcoholics too. And a few of them can operate without much chaos in their lives. But we all know what the statistics say. So tell me what should I believe? Is alcoholism a good thing or a bad thing?[/quote]
I’m a woman.[/quote]
I don’t care.[/quote]
Well, I do. I care about being called by my correct gender. It shows respect. Something you obviously don’t have and don’t care about. I’m officially done with this thread.
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
I’m a woman.
I don’t care.[/quote]
Well, I do. I care about being called by my correct gender. It shows respect.
How would I possibly know what gender you are from the few posts of yours that I read? Secondly, how does it really matter when it comes to debating this topic?
[quote]I’m officially done with this thread.
[/quote]
Finally, why bring it up now? Could it possibly be that you have no legitimate answer for my most recent post? Other than yet another liberal touchy feely rant?
Sorry you’re leaving. Come back when you have real answers to the many problems that I’ve brought to light.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
I’m a woman.
I don’t care.[/quote]
Well, I do. I care about being called by my correct gender. It shows respect.
How would I possibly know what gender you are from the few posts of yours that I read? Secondly, how does it really matter when it comes to debating this topic?
[quote]I’m officially done with this thread.
[/quote]
Finally, why bring it up now? Could it possibly be that you have no legitimate answer for my most recent post? Other than yet another liberal touchy feely rant?
Sorry you’re leaving. Come back when you have real answers to the many problems that I’ve brought to light.[/quote]
I have actually brought real answers to this discussion but you choose to ignore them and concentrate on PARTS of my posts instead of my posts in their entirety. Besides, there’s no point beating my head against a brick wall because nothing I say will change your mind since you have the Bible and CDC on your side. I should have remembered that arguing with extremely religious people is like talking to a brick wall because if it’s not in the Bible, it’s not relevant or normal or natural. It’s much more entertaining to discuss this sort of topic with people who can think for themselves instead of relying on a two thousand year old book to tell them how to think.
You couldn’t tell I was female? When I’ve said repeatedly that Imhungry (aka IH) and I are married? That he is my husband? Or that IH has said repeatedly that I am his wife? Your lack of reading comprehension astounds me.
Homos Get Extra Pay in Cambridge, MA
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But starting this month, Cambridge will become what is believed to be the first municipality in the country to pay its public employees a stipend in an attempt to defray the cost of the federal tax on health benefits for their same-sex spouses.
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Satan never sleeps…
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
I have to say that it is highly entertaining to see a proud Jew and someone who gets his anti gay talking points from, um, websites that are frequented by people that are extraordinairily proud of their, lets say, Caucasian heritage, arguing in unison.
I am positively enthralled.
[/quote]
Yes, we understand “Heil, mein FÃ??Ã?¼hrer!”, Herrenvolk, and Nordicism. We get it.[/quote]
Exactly why I put Orion on ignore a long time ago. Anyone who would brag about (probably fake) Nazi ancestors and pretends to be from Austria is really sad.
For the record, I have no idea what he is talking about. The Center for Disease Control is hardly racist. I presume whatever site he is talking about went and got the same data that everyone uses.
And again, what appears to be lost, is the solution should be to remove marriage from the public realm completely. It’s a private religious or contractual (or both) matter. It should be legally irrelevant.[/quote]
Really?
Just the faintest connection to a post that was widely published on neo nazi websites shut you up quite nicely, thank you and since that is your usual MO, I am positively thrilled about it.
So, if you cannot post any links to my “bragging about my nazi ancestors” why dont you get a nice big cup of shut the fuck up and meditate over the fact that your views on homosexuality are at least in part shared by people who would, and already have, gassed people of your religious affiliation right along with them.
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
I’m a woman.
I don’t care.[/quote]
Well, I do. I care about being called by my correct gender. It shows respect.
How would I possibly know what gender you are from the few posts of yours that I read? Secondly, how does it really matter when it comes to debating this topic?
[quote]I’m officially done with this thread.
[/quote]
Finally, why bring it up now? Could it possibly be that you have no legitimate answer for my most recent post? Other than yet another liberal touchy feely rant?
Sorry you’re leaving. Come back when you have real answers to the many problems that I’ve brought to light.[/quote]
I have actually brought real answers to this discussion[/quote]
No, you’ve only brought politically correct hogwash to this debate. You hear someone like Bill Marr (or any number of idiotic liberal mouth pieces) say it and then repeat it here. None of it makes any sense.
[quote]Besides, there’s no point beating my head against a brick wall because nothing I say will change your mind since you have the Bible. I should have remembered that arguing with extremely religious people is like talking to a brick wall because if it’s not in the Bible, it’s not relevant or normal or natural. It’s much more entertaining to discuss this sort of topic with people who can think for themselves instead of relying on a two thousand year old book to tell them how to think.
[/quote]
Please show me one post on this thread where I mention anything in the Bible, or even a line where I refer to the Bible. You can’t because I never did. So you just made that up the same way you make up other stuff. You want things to be a certain way, it’s called stereotyping. And politically correct liberals like yourself are the biggest haters on the planet. If someone doesn’t fit your mold you react with bias and hatred. You just proved it.
Actually, I quoted facts and figures from a number of sites including the CDC. And you didn’t like that because every time the facts on homosexuals are brought to light it shows them as a pack of uncaring people who spread disease. It’s sad, but all people like YOU do is enable them to live in pain and die young. Congratulations on that!
[quote]You couldn’t tell I was female? When I’ve said repeatedly that Imhungry (aka IH) and I are married? That he is my husband? Or that IH has said repeatedly that I am his wife? Your lack of reading comprehension astounds me.
[/quote]
You’re mistaking reading comprehension for actually caring. Once again, I don’t care if you’re female, male or some other thing that you politically correct liberals want to give special rights to. It’s a debate, that you’re female means nothing to me. Go use that female thing with someone who cares. If that bothers you — GOOD! 
Also, it is highly entertaining that someone whose go to reaction is NAZI!!! ANTI-SEMITE!!! whenever someone calls him on his bullshit would have so tender feelings as to put anyone on ignore who does not immediately roll over when confronted with these shenanigans.
Ah, those big, strong ex-sniper, tough, succesful lawyers, I am sure they always falter in a heartbeat when things dont go their way.
You Sir are not only a pussy and a liar, you are also at best a ditch digger in Haifa and that is all you ever were.
[quote]Grneyes wrote:<<< You couldn’t tell I was female? When I’ve said repeatedly that Imhungry (aka IH) and I are married? That he is my husband? Or that IH has said repeatedly that I am his wife? Your lack of reading comprehension astounds me. >>>[/quote]Did you really just say this in this thread? How can anybody be expected to decipher anybody else’s gender in this environment? Saying you are a man’s wife means exactly what anymore? You could be a six foot eight Samoan twinkie boy in drag for all we know. Wife she says, sheesh. Talk about not following your own groovadelic philosophy.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:<<< You couldn’t tell I was female? When I’ve said repeatedly that Imhungry (aka IH) and I are married? That he is my husband? Or that IH has said repeatedly that I am his wife? Your lack of reading comprehension astounds me. >>>[/quote]Did you really just say this in this thread? How can anybody be expected to decipher anybody else’s gender in this environment? Saying you are a man’s wife means exactly what anymore? You could be a six foot eight Samoan twinkie boy in drag for all we know. Wife she says, sheesh. Talk about not following your own groovadelic philosophy.
[/quote]
“six foot eight Samoan twinkie boy in drag”?
That would be me.
Don’t judge.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
I have to say that it is highly entertaining to see a proud Jew and someone who gets his anti gay talking points from, um, websites that are frequented by people that are extraordinairily proud of their, lets say, Caucasian heritage, arguing in unison.
I am positively enthralled.
[/quote]
Yes, we understand “Heil, mein FÃ??Ã?¼hrer!”, Herrenvolk, and Nordicism. We get it.[/quote]
Exactly why I put Orion on ignore a long time ago. Anyone who would brag about (probably fake) Nazi ancestors and pretends to be from Austria is really sad.
For the record, I have no idea what he is talking about. The Center for Disease Control is hardly racist. I presume whatever site he is talking about went and got the same data that everyone uses.
And again, what appears to be lost, is the solution should be to remove marriage from the public realm completely. It’s a private religious or contractual (or both) matter. It should be legally irrelevant.[/quote]
Orion claimed Zeb put up something directly from Stormfront (a known neo-nazi/white power website…supposedly “the first white power website” or some-such).
I asked for someone to highlight it (cuz I’m lazy and didn’t catch it earlier). Orion didn’t, BUT…Zeb’s reply to my post certainly implies that he posted from the website and thinks it is an acceptable source when placed among others.
It appears no one else cares that Zeb is quoting/posting from stormfront. Or maybe everyone just has Orion on ignore by now.
Good grief. Instead of making a bunch of assumptions and jumping to conclusions based upon what you want to be true, some of you could either figure out what the actual truth is or at least wait until you know something for certain. Here is the exchange in it’s entirety. You will see that the original post was put up by SEX MACHINE, not ZEB.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
An old post of mine on gay historical revisionism in ancient Greece:
Homosexuality in ancient Greece:
The Attic word for homosexual is ‘kinaidos’, literally ‘causer of shame’
- Root: ‘Kineo’ - to move
- Stem: ‘Aidos’ - shame
Aido was the Goddess who punished moral transgressors.
source Liddell and Scott’s Advanced Greek Lexicon.
The Spartan laws are not known as they were transmitted via word of mouth. All we know of the Spartan constitution comes from Xenophon’s ‘The Politeia of the Spartans’ and it doesn’t cover laws relating to homosexuality. However we DO know about the laws in Athens, the most liberal citystate in all of Greece:
From Aeschines:
If any Athenian shall have ‘Etairese’(same sex relations) he shall not be permitted to:
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Become one of the nine archons.
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Nor to discharge the office of priest.
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Nor to act as an advocate for the state.
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Nor shall he hold any office whatsoever, at home or abroad, whether filled by lot or election: he shall not be sent as a herald.
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He shall not take part in debate, nor be present at the public sacrifices
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He shall not enter within the limits of the place that has been purified for the assembling of the people. If any man who has been convicted of illegal sexual activities contrary to these prohibitions he shall be put to death.
And Demosthenes:
…nor shall they have the right to speak, nor bring a charge before the court.
Plato’s Laws:
‘…male does not touch male for this purpose(sexual gratification) as it is unnatural’
and
‘When male unites with female for procreation the pleasure experienced is natural, but is contrary to nature(i.e. unnatural) when male unites with male or female unites with female, and those guilty of such enormities are impelled by their slavery to pleasure’
and
‘No one should sow any unholy and barren seed in sodomy’
Aesopos:
‘When Zeus created humans and their souls’ properties he ingrained them in every human being. However he left shame out. Since he didn’t know where to insert it, he commanded that it be inserted in the anus. From this day forth may every sexually inclined person who chooses this method be shameful!’
On homosexual depictions on Greek vases:
ALL depictions are of SATYRS - evil and degenerate demons.
Ancient Greek ‘scholars’ who have built up the lie that homosexuality was common place and normal in Greek society:
Walter Pater
Michael Foucault
John Boswell
John Winkler
David Halperin
ALL of them are/were homosexuals themselves! Funny that.[/quote]
This is a great post. I’ve been saying for years that homosexuality has never been accepted (certainly not in the form of marriage) in any long term successful society. This great experiment that the US and other nations are engaged in will not only not work (as homosexuals are statistically far too promiscuous) but will also harm the institution of marriage and send the wrong message to our youth. [/quote]
Pish posh, not only did I find that exact same post predominantly on stormfront.org and sites of that ilk, it is also blatant nonsense in that it substitutes our view of homosexuality with theirs, ignores historic development, takes wishful thinking like Platos as fact and is generally icky on an intellectual level.
If that is all you have,you have nothing.
[/quote]
I’m also curious what you are talking about, orion, regarding that original post being “on stormfront.org and sites of that ilk.” A quick google of a couple of different sentences from the post turned up nothing of the sort.
And, wouldn’t you know it, stormfront.org is a members only site.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
I have to say that it is highly entertaining to see a proud Jew and someone who gets his anti gay talking points from, um, websites that are frequented by people that are extraordinairily proud of their, lets say, Caucasian heritage, arguing in unison.
I am positively enthralled.
[/quote]
Yes, we understand “Heil, mein FÃ???Ã??Ã?¼hrer!”, Herrenvolk, and Nordicism. We get it.[/quote]
Exactly why I put Orion on ignore a long time ago. Anyone who would brag about (probably fake) Nazi ancestors and pretends to be from Austria is really sad.
For the record, I have no idea what he is talking about. The Center for Disease Control is hardly racist. I presume whatever site he is talking about went and got the same data that everyone uses.
And again, what appears to be lost, is the solution should be to remove marriage from the public realm completely. It’s a private religious or contractual (or both) matter. It should be legally irrelevant.[/quote]
Orion claimed Zeb put up something directly from Stormfront (a known neo-nazi/white power website…supposedly “the first white power website” or some-such).
I asked for someone to highlight it (cuz I’m lazy and didn’t catch it earlier). Orion didn’t, BUT…Zeb’s reply to my post certainly implies that he posted from the website and thinks it is an acceptable source when placed among others.
It appears no one else cares that Zeb is quoting/posting from stormfront. Or maybe everyone just has Orion on ignore by now.
[/quote]
No, what I claimed was that by googling certain passages that seemed to be copy and pasted you immediately had predominantly white power sites in your result list.
The hilarious part was when he refused to adress the issue and finally came out with something like “hey, that does not mean its wrong!!!1!”, which leads me to believe that chances are that that is exactly where he gets some of his stuff from.
Not that that necessarily makes anything he claims wrong, BUT if you are so desperate for homophobic propaganda that you sift through stormfront and likeminded websites some serious soul seaching is in order.
In my opinion.
Should Jewbacca then pile on top of it, reiterating his firmly held belief that I have a Hitler bust right next to my computer, which stems from the fact that he got his ass handed to him when he claimed that Israel has never deliberately targeted civilians and that he just cannot stomach the fact that he is a willfully ignorant cunt, ergo, I must be a nazi, I am indeed thoroughly entertained.
And yes, if someone calls me a nazi with no proof whatsoever when I am questioning stormfront as a source he has clearly demonstrated that he has abandoned reality and substituted it with the voices in his head and I think “willfully ignorant cunt” just about sums that attitude up.
But, since English is not my first language, I am open to suggestions as to how to describe such a dick.
I had no idea at the time where sex machine got the info. But I will reiterate, if the facts are true, and they are to the best of my knowledge as they’re backed up by more reputable web sites–WHO CARES?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
I have to say that it is highly entertaining to see a proud Jew and someone who gets his anti gay talking points from, um, websites that are frequented by people that are extraordinairily proud of their, lets say, Caucasian heritage, arguing in unison.
I am positively enthralled.
[/quote]
Yes, we understand “Heil, mein FÃ???Ã???Ã??Ã?¼hrer!”, Herrenvolk, and Nordicism. We get it.[/quote]
Exactly why I put Orion on ignore a long time ago. Anyone who would brag about (probably fake) Nazi ancestors and pretends to be from Austria is really sad.
For the record, I have no idea what he is talking about. The Center for Disease Control is hardly racist. I presume whatever site he is talking about went and got the same data that everyone uses.
And again, what appears to be lost, is the solution should be to remove marriage from the public realm completely. It’s a private religious or contractual (or both) matter. It should be legally irrelevant.[/quote]
Orion claimed Zeb put up something directly from Stormfront (a known neo-nazi/white power website…supposedly “the first white power website” or some-such).
I asked for someone to highlight it (cuz I’m lazy and didn’t catch it earlier). Orion didn’t, BUT…Zeb’s reply to my post certainly implies that he posted from the website and thinks it is an acceptable source when placed among others.
It appears no one else cares that Zeb is quoting/posting from stormfront. Or maybe everyone just has Orion on ignore by now.
[/quote]
No, what I claimed was that by googling certain passages that seemed to be copy and pasted you immediately had predominantly white power sites in your result list.
The hilarious part was when he refused to adress the issue and finally came out with something like “hey, that does not mean its wrong!!!1!”, which leads me to believe that chances are that that is exactly where he gets some of his stuff from.
Not that that necessarily makes anything he claims wrong, BUT if you are so desperate for homophobic propaganda that you sift through stormfront and likeminded websites some serious soul seaching is in order.
In my opinion.
Should Jewbacca then pile on top of it, reiterating his firmly held belief that I have a Hitler bust right next to my computer, which stems from the fact that he got his ass handed to him when he claimed that Israel has never deliberately targeted civilians and that he just cannot stomach the fact that he is a willfully ignorant cunt, ergo, I must be a nazi, I am indeed thoroughly entertained.
And yes, if someone calls me a nazi with no proof whatsoever when I am questioning stormfront as a source he has clearly demonstrated that he has abandoned reality and substituted it with the voices in his head and I think “willfully ignorant cunt” just about sums that attitude up.
But, since English is not my first language, I am open to suggestions as to how to describe such a dick.
[/quote]
You are being rather, ahem, generous in your description of “googling certain passages.”