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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
ZEB your stepping over the line, leave the kids out of it[/quote]

I toyed with the idea of ignoring your post. Since at the age of 19 you’re barely out of childhood yourself.[/quote]

Oh my, lets see, people whose arguments can safely be ignored:

Homosexuals,[/quote]

When did I ever ignore a point from a homosexual? In fact, many have accused me of debating far too long with most of them. So a swing a miss for the Austrian.

Considering ignoring a post is the same as ignoring it? Oh my…STRIKE TWO!

And I told you that right? Therefore, I was not ignoring you. And that would be strike three YOU’RE OUT!

[quote]If only there were websites dedicated to God fearing America loving folk, preferably white, middle aged and protestant?
[/quote]

Or a site dedicated to people who have no life inside their own country and have to constantly whine about the US and how TERRIBLE IT IS.

LOL you are are real winner. But in this game you struck out.

Try again, NOT ignoring you is fun. [/quote]

I am sorry Zeb, I am a Catholic non American, I am all that is wrong with the internet.

I could not hope to possibly debunk an argument that has been debated so thoroughly by decidedly straight, non Jewish, patriots.

Would you prefer if I posted in German?

Or would that be too… I dunno… arousing?[/quote]

I never once said that as a group there is anything wrong with Catholic non Americans. And I’m actually impressed that you can speak two languages. Other than that I think you’ve been over the top on some of your retorts to me on this topic.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
im arguing specifically on this vendetta against me. this argument, gay rights, marriage, morality, whatever you wanna call it seems pointless to argue, its a moral issue that everyone is trying to back up with facts. we all know that you can find facts and statistics to support just about any argument any of us can thing of, not all of it is reliable, but whose to say which of the facts and statistics decisively mean anything? it appears many of the issues people argue tirelessly about will never come to an end because they are moral issues that will always have two people with opposing values and/or morals. there are good and bad people on both sides of the debate. but thats not what im arguing here, my main point was what i stated above, same agression different diction [/quote]

No, not really, his argument basically follows the black people are less intelligent, therefore…

I wonder where one would pick up that kind of debating style?

Anyhow, even if his basic premise was true, nothing follows.[/quote]

Black people are less intelligent? I’ve never once said that here or anywhere else. Nor have I ever thought it. And why would you stoop to lying? One more and you go in the forlife category. A place for those who make things up as they go along to try to gain the upper hand.

You really are losing it orion. And that’s a shame.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
this argument, gay rights, marriage, morality, whatever you wanna call it seems pointless to argue,[/quote]

Then why are in this thread, just to disrupt? There are names for people who do this. You want to rise above that I would hope.

Very good, now you’re moving the ball down the field. It is a moral issue, but simply because it is a moral issue to some does not mean that it cannot be backed up with facts on both sides.

I think you are partly correct. But, in this case there are cold hard irrefutable facts which clearly lead to a given conclusion which forlife cannot deny. And by the way he has not tried. His appeal has been “my friends are healthy and happy therefore homosexuality is safe and should be accepted by the state.” I say that’s a weak argument. What do you say?

Now where do you fall on the topic, and why?[/quote]

im a catholic too orion, and by most standards probably not an excellent one so double whammy right? but yeah i like to disrupt things, have you looked at my page it clearly states " i like to fuck shit up" it actually listed as my objective and mission statement on my resume. no i dont think homosexuality is unsafe, im not saying sleeping around as a gay man is safe, but monogamous relationships of all kinds should be celebrated, but believe me i know where you stand on monogamy in homosexual relationships. maybe forlife got tired of feeling like he’s beating his head against a wall, or like me hes going to the gym or concentrating on his fitness like this site was designed for, leave your reply(s) ill be back its get big time

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
im arguing specifically on this vendetta against me. this argument, gay rights, marriage, morality, whatever you wanna call it seems pointless to argue, its a moral issue that everyone is trying to back up with facts. we all know that you can find facts and statistics to support just about any argument any of us can thing of, not all of it is reliable, but whose to say which of the facts and statistics decisively mean anything? it appears many of the issues people argue tirelessly about will never come to an end because they are moral issues that will always have two people with opposing values and/or morals. there are good and bad people on both sides of the debate. but thats not what im arguing here, my main point was what i stated above, same agression different diction [/quote]

No, not really, his argument basically follows the black people are less intelligent, therefore…

I wonder where one would pick up that kind of debating style?

Anyhow, even if his basic premise was true, nothing follows.[/quote]

Black people are less intelligent? I’ve never once said that here or anywhere else. Nor have I ever thought it. And why would you stoop to lying? One more and you go in the forlife category. A place for those who make things up as they go along to try to gain the upper hand.

You really are losing it orion. And that’s a shame.[/quote]

Zeb,

I think that was a low blow, but you leave yourself open to it when you get your “facts” from Stormfront.

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[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
but yeah i like to disrupt things, have you looked at my page it clearly states " i like to fuck shit up" it actually listed as my objective and mission statement on my resume.[/quote]

That goes with being a teen, and I’m not talking down to you here. I was the same way at 19.

Google “Men who have sex with men CDC”. Read the page carefully then get back to me with any new thoughts you might have.

Part of the argument is that homosexual “couples” who are supposed to be in committed relationships still sleep around. I’ve posted the statistics on this from credible web sites like the CDC.

Or, maybe the rest of us are tired of beating our heads against a wall. It works both ways. When both parties are entrenched in a point alluding to one party as being stubborn is pretty pointless. Especially when that particular party has the facts on their side.

[quote]or like me hes going to the gym or concentrating on his fitness like this site was designed for, leave your reply(s) ill be back its get big time
[/quote]

It’s a great site for exactly that. But it’s also a great site for other reasons. Hope you had a great workout!

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[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
im arguing specifically on this vendetta against me. this argument, gay rights, marriage, morality, whatever you wanna call it seems pointless to argue, its a moral issue that everyone is trying to back up with facts. we all know that you can find facts and statistics to support just about any argument any of us can thing of, not all of it is reliable, but whose to say which of the facts and statistics decisively mean anything? it appears many of the issues people argue tirelessly about will never come to an end because they are moral issues that will always have two people with opposing values and/or morals. there are good and bad people on both sides of the debate. but thats not what im arguing here, my main point was what i stated above, same agression different diction [/quote]

Bingo. You may be 19, but you’ve realized a critical truth that continues to elude many of the posters here that are older and should know better. Everyone is subject to confirmatory bias, but few are honest enough to admit it.

In the end, this is a moral debate, and no amount of logic or evidence will make any difference. That is why you never see people change their views on these issues.

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[quote]doogie wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
im arguing specifically on this vendetta against me. this argument, gay rights, marriage, morality, whatever you wanna call it seems pointless to argue, its a moral issue that everyone is trying to back up with facts. we all know that you can find facts and statistics to support just about any argument any of us can thing of, not all of it is reliable, but whose to say which of the facts and statistics decisively mean anything? it appears many of the issues people argue tirelessly about will never come to an end because they are moral issues that will always have two people with opposing values and/or morals. there are good and bad people on both sides of the debate. but thats not what im arguing here, my main point was what i stated above, same agression different diction [/quote]

No, not really, his argument basically follows the black people are less intelligent, therefore…

I wonder where one would pick up that kind of debating style?

Anyhow, even if his basic premise was true, nothing follows.[/quote]

Black people are less intelligent? I’ve never once said that here or anywhere else. Nor have I ever thought it. And why would you stoop to lying? One more and you go in the forlife category. A place for those who make things up as they go along to try to gain the upper hand.

You really are losing it orion. And that’s a shame.[/quote]

Zeb,

I think that was a low blow, but you leave yourself open to it when you get your “facts” from Stormfront.[/quote]

Yeah, unlike orion to act that way. I usually get along pretty well with him. Maybe he had a bad day. As to the site, let me know what exactly is wrong with the facts that were posted. If they erred on something by all means I will disregard it. I think that’s only fair. I’ve found similar stats in many other sites. Most of this stuff is pretty universal.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
im arguing specifically on this vendetta against me. this argument, gay rights, marriage, morality, whatever you wanna call it seems pointless to argue, its a moral issue that everyone is trying to back up with facts. we all know that you can find facts and statistics to support just about any argument any of us can thing of, not all of it is reliable, but whose to say which of the facts and statistics decisively mean anything? it appears many of the issues people argue tirelessly about will never come to an end because they are moral issues that will always have two people with opposing values and/or morals. there are good and bad people on both sides of the debate. but thats not what im arguing here, my main point was what i stated above, same agression different diction [/quote]

Bingo. You may be 19, but you’ve realized a critical truth that continues to elude many of the posters here that are older and should know better. Everyone is subject to confirmatory bias, but few are honest enough to admit it.

In the end, this is a moral debate, and no amount of logic or evidence will make any difference. That is why you never see people change their views on these issues.[/quote]

Honestly, if the “gay lifestyle” were healthy, and homosexuals were not suffering and dying at a higher rate than say alcoholics I would change my opinion. Absolutely!

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
im arguing specifically on this vendetta against me. this argument, gay rights, marriage, morality, whatever you wanna call it seems pointless to argue, its a moral issue that everyone is trying to back up with facts. we all know that you can find facts and statistics to support just about any argument any of us can thing of, not all of it is reliable, but whose to say which of the facts and statistics decisively mean anything? it appears many of the issues people argue tirelessly about will never come to an end because they are moral issues that will always have two people with opposing values and/or morals. there are good and bad people on both sides of the debate. but thats not what im arguing here, my main point was what i stated above, same agression different diction [/quote]

No, not really, his argument basically follows the black people are less intelligent, therefore…

I wonder where one would pick up that kind of debating style?

Anyhow, even if his basic premise was true, nothing follows.[/quote]

Black people are less intelligent? I’ve never once said that here or anywhere else. Nor have I ever thought it. And why would you stoop to lying? One more and you go in the forlife category. A place for those who make things up as they go along to try to gain the upper hand.

You really are losing it orion. And that’s a shame.[/quote]

What you are arguing is that homosexuality have a higher prevalence of disease, therefore…

And again, nothing follows, even if it was true.

Exact same “argument”.

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[quote]doogie wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
im arguing specifically on this vendetta against me. this argument, gay rights, marriage, morality, whatever you wanna call it seems pointless to argue, its a moral issue that everyone is trying to back up with facts. we all know that you can find facts and statistics to support just about any argument any of us can thing of, not all of it is reliable, but whose to say which of the facts and statistics decisively mean anything? it appears many of the issues people argue tirelessly about will never come to an end because they are moral issues that will always have two people with opposing values and/or morals. there are good and bad people on both sides of the debate. but thats not what im arguing here, my main point was what i stated above, same agression different diction [/quote]

No, not really, his argument basically follows the black people are less intelligent, therefore…

I wonder where one would pick up that kind of debating style?

Anyhow, even if his basic premise was true, nothing follows.[/quote]

Black people are less intelligent? I’ve never once said that here or anywhere else. Nor have I ever thought it. And why would you stoop to lying? One more and you go in the forlife category. A place for those who make things up as they go along to try to gain the upper hand.

You really are losing it orion. And that’s a shame.[/quote]

Zeb,

I think that was a low blow, but you leave yourself open to it when you get your “facts” from Stormfront.[/quote]

You think?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
im arguing specifically on this vendetta against me. this argument, gay rights, marriage, morality, whatever you wanna call it seems pointless to argue, its a moral issue that everyone is trying to back up with facts. we all know that you can find facts and statistics to support just about any argument any of us can thing of, not all of it is reliable, but whose to say which of the facts and statistics decisively mean anything? it appears many of the issues people argue tirelessly about will never come to an end because they are moral issues that will always have two people with opposing values and/or morals. there are good and bad people on both sides of the debate. but thats not what im arguing here, my main point was what i stated above, same agression different diction [/quote]

No, not really, his argument basically follows the black people are less intelligent, therefore…

I wonder where one would pick up that kind of debating style?

Anyhow, even if his basic premise was true, nothing follows.[/quote]

Black people are less intelligent? I’ve never once said that here or anywhere else. Nor have I ever thought it. And why would you stoop to lying? One more and you go in the forlife category. A place for those who make things up as they go along to try to gain the upper hand.

You really are losing it orion. And that’s a shame.[/quote]

What you are arguing is that homosexuality have a higher prevalence of disease, therefore…

And again, nothing follows, even if it was true.

Exact same “argument”.

[/quote]

First of all there is ZERO comparison. Therefore, your argument is flawed. Secondly, you said this:

[quote]

No, not really, his argument basically follows the black people are less intelligent,[/quote]

Very poorly worded and inaccurate. It leaves the reader thinking that I am racist and that is very insulting.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
im arguing specifically on this vendetta against me. this argument, gay rights, marriage, morality, whatever you wanna call it seems pointless to argue, its a moral issue that everyone is trying to back up with facts. we all know that you can find facts and statistics to support just about any argument any of us can thing of, not all of it is reliable, but whose to say which of the facts and statistics decisively mean anything? it appears many of the issues people argue tirelessly about will never come to an end because they are moral issues that will always have two people with opposing values and/or morals. there are good and bad people on both sides of the debate. but thats not what im arguing here, my main point was what i stated above, same agression different diction [/quote]

No, not really, his argument basically follows the black people are less intelligent, therefore…

I wonder where one would pick up that kind of debating style?

Anyhow, even if his basic premise was true, nothing follows.[/quote]

Black people are less intelligent? I’ve never once said that here or anywhere else. Nor have I ever thought it. And why would you stoop to lying? One more and you go in the forlife category. A place for those who make things up as they go along to try to gain the upper hand.

You really are losing it orion. And that’s a shame.[/quote]

Zeb,

I think that was a low blow, but you leave yourself open to it when you get your “facts” from Stormfront.[/quote]

You think?

[/quote]

Yeah, other people see it as well orion. This was totally out of line, and I’m actually surprised that you would post something like this just to win a point. Again, it’s something that the likes of forlife would say.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
im arguing specifically on this vendetta against me. this argument, gay rights, marriage, morality, whatever you wanna call it seems pointless to argue, its a moral issue that everyone is trying to back up with facts. we all know that you can find facts and statistics to support just about any argument any of us can thing of, not all of it is reliable, but whose to say which of the facts and statistics decisively mean anything? it appears many of the issues people argue tirelessly about will never come to an end because they are moral issues that will always have two people with opposing values and/or morals. there are good and bad people on both sides of the debate. but thats not what im arguing here, my main point was what i stated above, same agression different diction [/quote]

No, not really, his argument basically follows the black people are less intelligent, therefore…

I wonder where one would pick up that kind of debating style?

Anyhow, even if his basic premise was true, nothing follows.[/quote]

Black people are less intelligent? I’ve never once said that here or anywhere else. Nor have I ever thought it. And why would you stoop to lying? One more and you go in the forlife category. A place for those who make things up as they go along to try to gain the upper hand.

You really are losing it orion. And that’s a shame.[/quote]

What you are arguing is that homosexuality have a higher prevalence of disease, therefore…

And again, nothing follows, even if it was true.

Exact same “argument”.

[/quote]

First of all there is ZERO comparison. Therefore, your argument is flawed. Secondly, you said this:

[quote]

No, not really, his argument basically follows the black people are less intelligent,[/quote]

Very poorly worded and inaccurate. It leaves the reader thinking that I am racist and that is very insulting. [/quote]

No, it only does given the fact that you copy and past from, lets say very race conscious websites.

Also, I was comparing the form of argument with another argument that is and was used to justify discrimination.

It is not even a logcal fallacy, technically it is not even an argument.

It is rationalized bigotry.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
im arguing specifically on this vendetta against me. this argument, gay rights, marriage, morality, whatever you wanna call it seems pointless to argue, its a moral issue that everyone is trying to back up with facts. we all know that you can find facts and statistics to support just about any argument any of us can thing of, not all of it is reliable, but whose to say which of the facts and statistics decisively mean anything? it appears many of the issues people argue tirelessly about will never come to an end because they are moral issues that will always have two people with opposing values and/or morals. there are good and bad people on both sides of the debate. but thats not what im arguing here, my main point was what i stated above, same agression different diction [/quote]

No, not really, his argument basically follows the black people are less intelligent, therefore…

I wonder where one would pick up that kind of debating style?

Anyhow, even if his basic premise was true, nothing follows.[/quote]

Black people are less intelligent? I’ve never once said that here or anywhere else. Nor have I ever thought it. And why would you stoop to lying? One more and you go in the forlife category. A place for those who make things up as they go along to try to gain the upper hand.

You really are losing it orion. And that’s a shame.[/quote]

Zeb,

I think that was a low blow, but you leave yourself open to it when you get your “facts” from Stormfront.[/quote]

You think?

[/quote]

Yeah, other people see it as well orion. This was totally out of line, and I’m actually surprised that you would post something like this just to win a point. Again, it’s something that the likes of forlife would say.
[/quote]

The “you think” was more along the lines of “You think that someone who is so desperate for anti gay propaganda that he pulls it from neo nazi websites is kind of opening himself for low blows?”

Not that I consider it a low blow.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
im arguing specifically on this vendetta against me. this argument, gay rights, marriage, morality, whatever you wanna call it seems pointless to argue, its a moral issue that everyone is trying to back up with facts. we all know that you can find facts and statistics to support just about any argument any of us can thing of, not all of it is reliable, but whose to say which of the facts and statistics decisively mean anything? it appears many of the issues people argue tirelessly about will never come to an end because they are moral issues that will always have two people with opposing values and/or morals. there are good and bad people on both sides of the debate. but thats not what im arguing here, my main point was what i stated above, same agression different diction [/quote]

No, not really, his argument basically follows the black people are less intelligent, therefore…

I wonder where one would pick up that kind of debating style?

Anyhow, even if his basic premise was true, nothing follows.[/quote]

Black people are less intelligent? I’ve never once said that here or anywhere else. Nor have I ever thought it. And why would you stoop to lying? One more and you go in the forlife category. A place for those who make things up as they go along to try to gain the upper hand.

You really are losing it orion. And that’s a shame.[/quote]

What you are arguing is that homosexuality have a higher prevalence of disease, therefore…

And again, nothing follows, even if it was true.

Exact same “argument”.

[/quote]

First of all there is ZERO comparison. Therefore, your argument is flawed. Secondly, you said this:

[quote]

No, not really, his argument basically follows the black people are less intelligent,[/quote]

Very poorly worded and inaccurate. It leaves the reader thinking that I am racist and that is very insulting. [/quote]

No, it only does given the fact that you copy and past from, lets say very race conscious websites.[/quote]

Guilt by association? WOW…once again you purport to be logical and you pull this politically correct crap? Hang your head!

First of all there is no relation between the two. Simply because “A” was discriminated against unjustly does not mean that “B” is. As discrimination is not inherently evil. We discriminate against 15 year old’s by not allowing them to drive. Those who are only 17 cannot vote. A 20 year old cannot drink. A 40 year old cannot serve in the military regardless of their physical and mental preparedness. And a man using a womens rest room is frowned upon. All cases of discrimination. Certainly none of them evil in any way.

Also, you worded it so very poorly that it might have lead some to think that I was a racist. It truly was a low blow and it’s hard for me to accept that you were not smart enough to know what you were doing. But if you say it slipped past you I will take you on your word.

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thanks it was a decent workout, i understand your what your saying about homosexual monogamous relationships, not that i agree but i also dont have the stats to back it up, but either way its not a true monogamous relationship if they are sleeping around and im talking about true monogamy. in the end i agree with forlife, this isnt going anywhere, its a moral debate, ill fuck some shit up latetr

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
im arguing specifically on this vendetta against me. this argument, gay rights, marriage, morality, whatever you wanna call it seems pointless to argue, its a moral issue that everyone is trying to back up with facts. we all know that you can find facts and statistics to support just about any argument any of us can thing of, not all of it is reliable, but whose to say which of the facts and statistics decisively mean anything? it appears many of the issues people argue tirelessly about will never come to an end because they are moral issues that will always have two people with opposing values and/or morals. there are good and bad people on both sides of the debate. but thats not what im arguing here, my main point was what i stated above, same agression different diction [/quote]

No, not really, his argument basically follows the black people are less intelligent, therefore…

I wonder where one would pick up that kind of debating style?

Anyhow, even if his basic premise was true, nothing follows.[/quote]

Black people are less intelligent? I’ve never once said that here or anywhere else. Nor have I ever thought it. And why would you stoop to lying? One more and you go in the forlife category. A place for those who make things up as they go along to try to gain the upper hand.

You really are losing it orion. And that’s a shame.[/quote]

What you are arguing is that homosexuality have a higher prevalence of disease, therefore…

And again, nothing follows, even if it was true.

Exact same “argument”.

[/quote]

First of all there is ZERO comparison. Therefore, your argument is flawed. Secondly, you said this:

No, it did not slip past me, I juxtaposed it entirely on purpose.

Gotta go where the stormfront theme takes me.

Its like jazz.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
im arguing specifically on this vendetta against me. this argument, gay rights, marriage, morality, whatever you wanna call it seems pointless to argue, its a moral issue that everyone is trying to back up with facts. we all know that you can find facts and statistics to support just about any argument any of us can thing of, not all of it is reliable, but whose to say which of the facts and statistics decisively mean anything? it appears many of the issues people argue tirelessly about will never come to an end because they are moral issues that will always have two people with opposing values and/or morals. there are good and bad people on both sides of the debate. but thats not what im arguing here, my main point was what i stated above, same agression different diction [/quote]

No, not really, his argument basically follows the black people are less intelligent, therefore…

I wonder where one would pick up that kind of debating style?

Anyhow, even if his basic premise was true, nothing follows.[/quote]

Black people are less intelligent? I’ve never once said that here or anywhere else. Nor have I ever thought it. And why would you stoop to lying? One more and you go in the forlife category. A place for those who make things up as they go along to try to gain the upper hand.

You really are losing it orion. And that’s a shame.[/quote]

What you are arguing is that homosexuality have a higher prevalence of disease, therefore…

And again, nothing follows, even if it was true.

Exact same “argument”.

[/quote]

First of all there is ZERO comparison. Therefore, your argument is flawed. Secondly, you said this:

No, it did not slip past me, I juxtaposed it entirely on purpose.

Gotta go where the stormfront theme takes me.

Its like jazz.

[/quote]

That slur was directed at me not stormfront. But no problem, I get it the rules have changed between you and I. I’ll adjust in the future.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
im arguing specifically on this vendetta against me. this argument, gay rights, marriage, morality, whatever you wanna call it seems pointless to argue, its a moral issue that everyone is trying to back up with facts. we all know that you can find facts and statistics to support just about any argument any of us can thing of, not all of it is reliable, but whose to say which of the facts and statistics decisively mean anything? it appears many of the issues people argue tirelessly about will never come to an end because they are moral issues that will always have two people with opposing values and/or morals. there are good and bad people on both sides of the debate. but thats not what im arguing here, my main point was what i stated above, same agression different diction [/quote]

No, not really, his argument basically follows the black people are less intelligent, therefore…

I wonder where one would pick up that kind of debating style?

Anyhow, even if his basic premise was true, nothing follows.[/quote]

Black people are less intelligent? I’ve never once said that here or anywhere else. Nor have I ever thought it. And why would you stoop to lying? One more and you go in the forlife category. A place for those who make things up as they go along to try to gain the upper hand.

You really are losing it orion. And that’s a shame.[/quote]

What you are arguing is that homosexuality have a higher prevalence of disease, therefore…

And again, nothing follows, even if it was true.

Exact same “argument”.

[/quote]

First of all there is ZERO comparison. Therefore, your argument is flawed. Secondly, you said this:

No, it did not slip past me, I juxtaposed it entirely on purpose.

Gotta go where the stormfront theme takes me.

Its like jazz.

[/quote]

That slur was directed at me not stormfront. But no problem, I get it the rules have changed between you and I. I’ll adjust in the future.
[/quote]

You are just pissed that I mentioned negro music.

And maybe, that I have a google and that I am not afraid to use it.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]But let’s flex our imagination muscles why don’t we. A different form of relationship than either a simple homosexual relationship or the nonsexual relationship John Doe has with his best friend. Imagine forlife’s friend DID remember the paperwork, and is allowed the visit. But now a third person shows up at the desk, a woman!. This person says she is the patient’s life partner, but she has left her paperwork back up at home. She is told no, a male life partner has already proven himself. Oh, but the woman explains, the three are involved in an alternative lifestyle.

See, the two men are bisexual, loving each other and her. And her, loving both. They are, she explains, polyamorous. And now here she is, without the proper paperwork. But even after the other partner emerges from his visitation and verifies her story, she is still denied access without her documentation. Well, we’re good little emotional equality crusaders so back to redefining marriage, again!

No, we won’t? Oooooh, but then support of homosexual marriage isn’t based on those buzzwords, anti-discrimination/bigorty. It’s just a poorly thought out cool-kid fad, which suddendly appears completely unprincipled when other human reltionships would ride it’s coattails. Fakers. Frauds. The duped.[/quote]

Didn’t even get touched, of course.
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Shit, I promised myself I wouldn’t look at PWI but I couldn’t help it. I’ll respond to this. Your scenario is unrealistic - you’re creating strawmen. Here’s the reality about medical decision making. Medical facilities don’t give a shit who makes the decision - all they care about is that the person making the decision has the authority to do so. Period. They don’t want to get sued. If a person with authority to make decisions for an incapacitated person says it’s okay for that person to have visitors and that such and such a person is approved to have visitation rights, the hospital has a duty to comply or else face liability. Doesn’t matter if the person who wants visitation is a friend, co-worker, or “third life partner.”

The concern is to prevent unauthorized people from making medical decisions and to prevent visitors who might have a grudge against the patient and hurt them. Once a person with authority says that a visitor is okay, that’s the end of it for the hospital.