Any Church Goers?

imhungry · February 17, 2012, 3:35pm

[quote]Multiple Moods wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Yes, i pray at the alter of the beast. The fallen one. The one wrongfully imprisoned.[/quote]

It’s too bad you’re bullshitting. This would be an interesting conversation.[/quote]

I don’t think there’s a person on this planet with the stones to give themselves over to ‘the beast’ and truly believe they’ve traded something. To believe in God is to believe in the Devil and vice versa.
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What are you trying to say here?Of course you can believe in the higher power-God/Creator/Universal consciousness etc. without believing in “the Devil”.
I find it hard to think a being with the knowledge and power to create at least one universe(who knows maybe there is many more) so vast and intricately engineered would allow another being like the Christian Devil to exist.
[/quote]
Can the Ying exist without the Yang?

Multiple_Moods · February 17, 2012, 3:36pm

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
It really depends who you ask - but let’s say a Jew is a historian. That Jew would probably value the Bible in a historical sense but not necessarily when it comes to his/her own belief system.

Again, probably bad wording on my part:) lol

Let me try again:

According to the Quran ,as I understand it, Muslims are worshiping the same God as both Christians and Jews. Like Jewbacca has stated, in the Quran, Allah (God) speaks of Jews and Christians corrupting ‘the book’. (Torah and Bible) If you want I can look up the story for
you… but I believe it was mentioned in Al-Kahf (‘The cave’) at least once.
So according to Islam itself it is the same God being worshiped as in Christianity and Judaism.

But because Christianity includes the Old Testament (which I believe is not all but some of the Torah… how much I am not certain) in its belief system but it does not include anything mentioning Mohammed… Islam does not have that ‘familial’ significance to Christianity or Judaism… unless you are a Muslim or somebody who is able to look at it outside of their own belief system.[/quote]
Does not the Quran at the beginning validet the books of Christianity and Judaism?
And in doing so pretty much invalidates itself as Christians are told in the NT somewhere(unsure of the particular passage)to heed no other gospel after this one even if preached by an angel

Multiple_Moods · February 17, 2012, 3:38pm

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]Multiple Moods wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Yes, i pray at the alter of the beast. The fallen one. The one wrongfully imprisoned.[/quote]

It’s too bad you’re bullshitting. This would be an interesting conversation.[/quote]

I don’t think there’s a person on this planet with the stones to give themselves over to ‘the beast’ and truly believe they’ve traded something. To believe in God is to believe in the Devil and vice versa.
[/quote]

What are you trying to say here?Of course you can believe in the higher power-God/Creator/Universal consciousness etc. without believing in “the Devil”.
I find it hard to think a being with the knowledge and power to create at least one universe(who knows maybe there is many more) so vast and intricately engineered would allow another being like the Christian Devil to exist.
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Can the Ying exist without the Yang?[/quote]
The Devil in Christianity is neithr yin nor yang,he is supposedly a creation of God.God is yin and yang,the only being that exists as uncreated and needs nothing to sustain its existence.

HoustonGuy · February 17, 2012, 3:39pm

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Yes, i pray at the alter of the beast. The fallen one. The one wrongfully imprisoned.[/quote]

It’s too bad you’re bullshitting. This would be an interesting conversation.[/quote]

I don’t think there’s a person on this planet with the stones to give themselves over to ‘the beast’ and truly believe they’ve traded something. To believe in God is to believe in the Devil and vice versa.
[/quote]
The stones, nor the brains… I hope.

I think it would be interesting to talk about Satanism and Anton LaVey. But I doubt it would go over well, given the subject matter.[/quote]
Thelema, any one? Anton is a pussy mimicking the real “Great Beast”, ftr.[/quote]
Paging the curiious tiger.

roybot · February 17, 2012, 4:00pm

[quote]Multiple Moods wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Yes, i pray at the alter of the beast. The fallen one. The one wrongfully imprisoned.[/quote]

It’s too bad you’re bullshitting. This would be an interesting conversation.[/quote]

I don’t think there’s a person on this planet with the stones to give themselves over to ‘the beast’ and truly believe they’ve traded something. To believe in God is to believe in the Devil and vice versa.
[/quote]

What are you trying to say here?Of course you can believe in the higher power-God/Creator/Universal consciousness etc. without believing in “the Devil”.

I find it hard to think a being with the knowledge and power to create at least one universe(who knows maybe there is many more) so vast and intricately engineered would allow another being like the Christian Devil to exist.
[/quote]

On a thread with “church” in the title, it should be assumed that any talk of ‘God’ is in the Biblical sense unless otherwise stated. This isn’t about the existence of Satan.

To clarify: people who believe in the Biblical God believe in the Devil and those who truly believe in Satan would not give themselves over to him, unless they’re insane (e.g. serial killers). I’m talking about Devil-worshippers specifically, as Satanists don’t necessarily worship Satan- some regard themselves as their own god and live for earthly pleasures.

simpstr1 · February 17, 2012, 3:56pm

[quote]Multiple Moods wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Yes, i pray at the alter of the beast. The fallen one. The one wrongfully imprisoned.[/quote]

It’s too bad you’re bullshitting. This would be an interesting conversation.[/quote]

I don’t think there’s a person on this planet with the stones to give themselves over to ‘the beast’ and truly believe they’ve traded something. To believe in God is to believe in the Devil and vice versa.
[/quote]

What are you trying to say here?Of course you can believe in the higher power-God/Creator/Universal consciousness etc. without believing in “the Devil”.

I find it hard to think a being with the knowledge and power to create at least one universe(who knows maybe there is many more) so vast and intricately engineered would allow another being like the Christian Devil to exist.
[/quote]

I do believe that there is a darker force out there or rather in us.

simpstr1 · February 17, 2012, 3:57pm

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Yes, i pray at the alter of the beast. The fallen one. The one wrongfully imprisoned.[/quote]

It’s too bad you’re bullshitting. This would be an interesting conversation.[/quote]

I don’t think there’s a person on this planet with the stones to give themselves over to ‘the beast’ and truly believe they’ve traded something. To believe in God is to believe in the Devil and vice versa.
[/quote]
The stones, nor the brains… I hope.

I think it would be interesting to talk about Satanism and Anton LaVey. But I doubt it would go over well, given the subject matter.[/quote]
Thelema, any one? Anton is a pussy mimicking the real “Great Beast”, ftr.[/quote]
Paging the curiious tiger.[/quote]

Stop trying to kill my thread Dude.

roybot · February 17, 2012, 3:59pm

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Yes, i pray at the alter of the beast. The fallen one. The one wrongfully imprisoned.[/quote]

It’s too bad you’re bullshitting. This would be an interesting conversation.[/quote]

My friend, you have no clue what im into. No clue at all. [/quote]

We know you believe you’re a vampire or you want others to believe you’re one. The rest kind of falls into place.

Derek542 · February 17, 2012, 4:02pm

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Multiple Moods wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Yes, i pray at the alter of the beast. The fallen one. The one wrongfully imprisoned.[/quote]

It’s too bad you’re bullshitting. This would be an interesting conversation.[/quote]

I don’t think there’s a person on this planet with the stones to give themselves over to ‘the beast’ and truly believe they’ve traded something. To believe in God is to believe in the Devil and vice versa.
[/quote]

What are you trying to say here?Of course you can believe in the higher power-God/Creator/Universal consciousness etc. without believing in “the Devil”.

I find it hard to think a being with the knowledge and power to create at least one universe(who knows maybe there is many more) so vast and intricately engineered would allow another being like the Christian Devil to exist.
[/quote]

On a thread with “church” in the title, it should be assumed that any talk of ‘God’ is in the Biblical sense unless otherwise stated. This isn’t about the existence of Satan.

To clarify: people who believe in the Biblical God believe in the Devil and those who truly believe in Satan would not give themselves over to him, unless they’re insane (e.g. serial killers). I’m talking about Devil-worshippers specifically, as Satanists don’t necessarily worship Satan- some regard themselves as their own god and live for earthly pleasures.[/quote]

Your post for most people

Iron_Dwarf · February 17, 2012, 4:38pm

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Multiple Moods wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Yes, i pray at the alter of the beast. The fallen one. The one wrongfully imprisoned.[/quote]

It’s too bad you’re bullshitting. This would be an interesting conversation.[/quote]

I don’t think there’s a person on this planet with the stones to give themselves over to ‘the beast’ and truly believe they’ve traded something. To believe in God is to believe in the Devil and vice versa.
[/quote]

What are you trying to say here?Of course you can believe in the higher power-God/Creator/Universal consciousness etc. without believing in “the Devil”.

I find it hard to think a being with the knowledge and power to create at least one universe(who knows maybe there is many more) so vast and intricately engineered would allow another being like the Christian Devil to exist.
[/quote]

On a thread with “church” in the title, it should be assumed that any talk of ‘God’ is in the Biblical sense unless otherwise stated. This isn’t about the existence of Satan.

To clarify: people who believe in the Biblical God believe in the Devil and those who truly believe in Satan would not give themselves over to him, unless they’re insane (e.g. serial killers). I’m talking about Devil-worshippers specifically, as Satanists don’t necessarily worship Satan- some regard themselves as their own god and live for earthly pleasures.[/quote]

Your post for most people[/quote]

Clever post, Derek!

Did you mean that literally, or were you referencing the scene where the dove appeared over Christ’s head as John the Baptist brought Him up out of the water?

HoustonGuy · February 17, 2012, 5:04pm

[quote]simpstr1 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Yes, i pray at the alter of the beast. The fallen one. The one wrongfully imprisoned.[/quote]

It’s too bad you’re bullshitting. This would be an interesting conversation.[/quote]

I don’t think there’s a person on this planet with the stones to give themselves over to ‘the beast’ and truly believe they’ve traded something. To believe in God is to believe in the Devil and vice versa.
[/quote]
The stones, nor the brains… I hope.

I think it would be interesting to talk about Satanism and Anton LaVey. But I doubt it would go over well, given the subject matter.[/quote]
Thelema, any one? Anton is a pussy mimicking the real “Great Beast”, ftr.[/quote]
Paging the curiious tiger.[/quote]

Stop trying to kill my thread Dude.[/quote]I’m discussing a higher power and legit belief system to tap in to it, with a hand in the occult propagated largely by a guy who referred to himself as “the great beast”. Replete with blood rituals, demonic contact, sex magick (yes, like the chili pepper spelling) animal sacrifice and alleged human sacrifice to Horus. In the 1900’s. OTO still exists too, within the web of initiatory occultic groups presenting a front of social/fraternal/charitable existence. And I am qualified to discuss

Derek542 · February 17, 2012, 5:15pm

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Multiple Moods wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Yes, i pray at the alter of the beast. The fallen one. The one wrongfully imprisoned.[/quote]

It’s too bad you’re bullshitting. This would be an interesting conversation.[/quote]

I don’t think there’s a person on this planet with the stones to give themselves over to ‘the beast’ and truly believe they’ve traded something. To believe in God is to believe in the Devil and vice versa.
[/quote]

What are you trying to say here?Of course you can believe in the higher power-God/Creator/Universal consciousness etc. without believing in “the Devil”.

I find it hard to think a being with the knowledge and power to create at least one universe(who knows maybe there is many more) so vast and intricately engineered would allow another being like the Christian Devil to exist.
[/quote]

On a thread with “church” in the title, it should be assumed that any talk of ‘God’ is in the Biblical sense unless otherwise stated. This isn’t about the existence of Satan.

To clarify: people who believe in the Biblical God believe in the Devil and those who truly believe in Satan would not give themselves over to him, unless they’re insane (e.g. serial killers). I’m talking about Devil-worshippers specifically, as Satanists don’t necessarily worship Satan- some regard themselves as their own god and live for earthly pleasures.[/quote]

Your post for most people[/quote]

Clever post, Derek!

Did you mean that literally, or were you referencing the scene where the dove appeared over Christ’s head as John the Baptist brought Him up out of the water?

[/quote]

I am typically literal and sarcastic, but not very deep.

Multiple_Moods · February 17, 2012, 5:21pm

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Multiple Moods wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Yes, i pray at the alter of the beast. The fallen one. The one wrongfully imprisoned.[/quote]

It’s too bad you’re bullshitting. This would be an interesting conversation.[/quote]

I don’t think there’s a person on this planet with the stones to give themselves over to ‘the beast’ and truly believe they’ve traded something. To believe in God is to believe in the Devil and vice versa.
[/quote]

What are you trying to say here?Of course you can believe in the higher power-God/Creator/Universal consciousness etc. without believing in “the Devil”.

I find it hard to think a being with the knowledge and power to create at least one universe(who knows maybe there is many more) so vast and intricately engineered would allow another being like the Christian Devil to exist.
[/quote]

On a thread with “church” in the title, it should be assumed that any talk of ‘God’ is in the Biblical sense unless otherwise stated. This isn’t about the existence of Satan.

To clarify: people who believe in the Biblical God believe in the Devil and those who truly believe in Satan would not give themselves over to him, unless they’re insane (e.g. serial killers). I’m talking about Devil-worshippers specifically, as Satanists don’t necessarily worship Satan- some regard themselves as their own god and live for earthly pleasures.[/quote]
Ok here is somehting I thought about the other day while reading some of Revelations.For those who believe in the biblical versions of God and the Devil(assuming Christians who believe in both also believe Revelations)-
It is prophesised in Revelation that god and the lamb bring about the destruction of the beast/serpent/devil and his followers.As god is omnipitent,omnipresent and omniknowledgeable in past,present and future according to the bible this is how it will happen-God and the Lamb victorious over evil.Absolutely no two ways about it.

Now as the Devil is supposedly already operating in this world for a number of millenia after he was cast out of the heavens and given that he has a vast array of power/influence(aswell as minions with similar power and human follwers who know the bible)in both physical and spiritual realms-would it not be fair to assume he has knowledge of this unchangeable prophecy?

Begging the question why stand against a being who is capable of literally anything and ending the existence of such malevolent beings with a thought?

It does not make any sense whatsoever.Especially given that the Devil has first hand knowledge and experience of God from his previous time in the spiritual realm,thus must know the full extent of the creators unlimited power.Why fight a fight that you cannot even begin to have the faintest glimmer of hope of winning?
The book of revelation either makes out that God is not omnipotent(thus giving the Devil hope of victory and contardicting the bibles earlioer claims of an omnipotent god) or it is complete bunkum.
Thoughts?

Iron_Dwarf · February 17, 2012, 5:21pm

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Multiple Moods wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Yes, i pray at the alter of the beast. The fallen one. The one wrongfully imprisoned.[/quote]

It’s too bad you’re bullshitting. This would be an interesting conversation.[/quote]

I don’t think there’s a person on this planet with the stones to give themselves over to ‘the beast’ and truly believe they’ve traded something. To believe in God is to believe in the Devil and vice versa.
[/quote]

What are you trying to say here?Of course you can believe in the higher power-God/Creator/Universal consciousness etc. without believing in “the Devil”.

I find it hard to think a being with the knowledge and power to create at least one universe(who knows maybe there is many more) so vast and intricately engineered would allow another being like the Christian Devil to exist.
[/quote]

On a thread with “church” in the title, it should be assumed that any talk of ‘God’ is in the Biblical sense unless otherwise stated. This isn’t about the existence of Satan.

To clarify: people who believe in the Biblical God believe in the Devil and those who truly believe in Satan would not give themselves over to him, unless they’re insane (e.g. serial killers). I’m talking about Devil-worshippers specifically, as Satanists don’t necessarily worship Satan- some regard themselves as their own god and live for earthly pleasures.[/quote]

Your post for most people[/quote]

Clever post, Derek!

Did you mean that literally, or were you referencing the scene where the dove appeared over Christ’s head as John the Baptist brought Him up out of the water?

[/quote]

I am typically literal and sarcastic, but not very deep.
[/quote]

lol

And frank.

HoustonGuy · February 17, 2012, 5:24pm

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Multiple Moods wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:
Yes, i pray at the alter of the beast. The fallen one. The one wrongfully imprisoned.[/quote]

It’s too bad you’re bullshitting. This would be an interesting conversation.[/quote]

I don’t think there’s a person on this planet with the stones to give themselves over to ‘the beast’ and truly believe they’ve traded something. To believe in God is to believe in the Devil and vice versa.
[/quote]

What are you trying to say here?Of course you can believe in the higher power-God/Creator/Universal consciousness etc. without believing in “the Devil”.

I find it hard to think a being with the knowledge and power to create at least one universe(who knows maybe there is many more) so vast and intricately engineered would allow another being like the Christian Devil to exist.
[/quote]

On a thread with “church” in the title, it should be assumed that any talk of ‘God’ is in the Biblical sense unless otherwise stated. This isn’t about the existence of Satan.

To clarify: people who believe in the Biblical God believe in the Devil and those who truly believe in Satan would not give themselves over to him, unless they’re insane (e.g. serial killers). I’m talking about Devil-worshippers specifically, as Satanists don’t necessarily worship Satan- some regard themselves as their own god and live for earthly pleasures.[/quote]

Your post for most people[/quote]

Clever post, Derek!

Did you mean that literally, or were you referencing the scene where the dove appeared over Christ’s head as John the Baptist brought Him up out of the water?

[/quote]

I am typically literal and sarcastic, but not very deep.
[/quote]

lol

And frank.[/quote]
and beans.

roybot · February 17, 2012, 5:27pm

[quote]Multiple Moods wrote:

Thoughts?[/quote]

I could murder a sandwich.

Tex_Ag · February 17, 2012, 5:27pm

Well, this thread finally got interesting.

By the way, Satan as the big bad ruler of Hell was created by the Church something like 300 years in as a way to scare people to follow the rules and as a way to “demonize” pagan/nature based belief system.

I am not saying there was not a Satan/tempter originally in the Bible, just not one with as much power and presence as presented today. A fallen angel does not equal master of Hell.

Tex_Ag · February 17, 2012, 5:32pm