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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Looks like I need to repeat myself:

This (the “Oh gracious sakes alive, the OT God is soooo, soooooo super mean” theory) is somewhat of a myth. A huge portion of the OT does indeed show a loving, patient, forgiving God.

It’s those who have read it the least or cursorily at best who seem to want to propagate the “harsh God” theory.

HG, you may have read the OT but you would be in the camp of those who’ve read it cursorily. Firmly in that camp. Trust me, I can tell.
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You’ll have to be more convincing than “trust me”. The god of both testaments is like an alcoholic father. He gets drunk and beats the shit out of you, then he buys you a new bike to placate the relationship, a rainbow of sorts. Jesus is the older brother who intercedes on your behalf.[/quote]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cursorily[/quote]
I know. But regarding subject matter, explain how god isn’t an asshole given his mass murders and near annihilation of the human race, I don’t care how many rainbows he creates.

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[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

So, it says Jesus is a good guy, prophet.
Not, Jesus is the son of God?[/quote]

Basically.

But like I said; I’m no religious scholar… so I don’t have endless amounts of examples. I find this thread very interesting though.

Getting somewhat back on topic… I do wonder what Christians on T-Nation would make of this:

A couple weeks ago I had an odd dream, most of which I don’t remember, but one part which I remember very vividly.

In this dream I found myself walking through somewhere similar to time square in NYC. It was at night and it was snowing lightly. I felt as if this area was moving around me rather than myself moving through it, though. That adrenaline filled tunnel vision type feeling.

As the center of this area approached me… things began to slow down and I felt as if I wanted to turn away. I was filled with terrific anger. I started hearing “O’ Holy Night” all around me… as if sung by a choir in my head.

As the song progressed to the part where “Fall on your knees; Oh hear the angel’s voices” is sung… I literally fell to my knees. I began to cry. As the song progressed I began to look up to see an overwhelming bright light; and that is when I woke up.

When I woke up I felt as if I had really been there. As if… I really had … had that experience.

A part of me feels compelled to read the bible and possibly attend Sunday mass. Do any of you feel this dream… this ‘experience’ is enough reason for me to test the waters of Christianity? What were the reasons that compelled you to believe? To accept Christ as your savior?

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[quote]krazykoukides wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

So, it says Jesus is a good guy, prophet.
Not, Jesus is the son of God?[/quote]

Basically.

But like I said; I’m no religious scholar… so I don’t have endless amounts of examples. I find this thread very interesting though.

Getting somewhat back on topic… I do wonder what Christians on T-Nation would make of this:

A couple weeks ago I had an odd dream, most of which I don’t remember, but one part which I remember very vividly.

In this dream I found myself walking through somewhere similar to time square in NYC. It was at night and it was snowing lightly. I felt as if this area was moving around me rather than myself moving through it, though. That adrenaline filled tunnel vision type feeling.

As the center of this area approached me… things began to slow down and I felt as if I wanted to turn away. I was filled with terrific anger. I started hearing “O’ Holy Night” all around me… as if sung by a choir in my head.

As the song progressed to the part where “Fall on your knees; Oh hear the angel’s voices” is sung… I literally fell to my knees. I began to cry. As the song progressed I began to look up to see an overwhelming bright light; and that is when I woke up.

When I woke up I felt as if I had really been there. As if… I really had … had that experience.

A part of me feels compelled to read the bible and possibly attend Sunday mass. Do any of you feel this dream… this ‘experience’ is enough reason for me to test the waters of Christianity? What were the reasons that compelled you to believe? To accept Christ as your savior?[/quote]

Eh, if I did everything in my dreams I should have won the lottery and had a relationship with Natalie Portman.

But this has not happened. She is a vegan.

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I had a dream once that had a naked Indian in it, and he led me to meet Jim Morrison, who subsequently told me that I needed to put on a rock concert.

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[quote]krazykoukides wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

So, it says Jesus is a good guy, prophet.
Not, Jesus is the son of God?[/quote]

Basically.

But like I said; I’m no religious scholar… so I don’t have endless amounts of examples. I find this thread very interesting though.

Getting somewhat back on topic… I do wonder what Christians on T-Nation would make of this:

A couple weeks ago I had an odd dream, most of which I don’t remember, but one part which I remember very vividly.

In this dream I found myself walking through somewhere similar to time square in NYC. It was at night and it was snowing lightly. I felt as if this area was moving around me rather than myself moving through it, though. That adrenaline filled tunnel vision type feeling.

As the center of this area approached me… things began to slow down and I felt as if I wanted to turn away. I was filled with terrific anger. I started hearing “O’ Holy Night” all around me… as if sung by a choir in my head.

As the song progressed to the part where “Fall on your knees; Oh hear the angel’s voices” is sung… I literally fell to my knees. I began to cry. As the song progressed I began to look up to see an overwhelming bright light; and that is when I woke up.

When I woke up I felt as if I had really been there. As if… I really had … had that experience.

A part of me feels compelled to read the bible and possibly attend Sunday mass. Do any of you feel this dream… this ‘experience’ is enough reason for me to test the waters of Christianity? What were the reasons that compelled you to believe? To accept Christ as your savior?[/quote]

You dont need any reason to start asking Christ to be a part of your life. Let me rephrase, we accept Christ as our Lord and Savior not because of any specific instance but because we know that submitting ourselves to Him is the only way to salvation and He is the only One that can handle our burdens. Thats the beauty of God’s grace. He let his only son, Christ, die on the cross of our sins…everyone of us. This includes those who don’t believe. Now, in your specific case this may be a great place to start asking more questions about faith, opening yourself up to church and when you feel ready (which could be now, as only you will know) ask Christ to come into your life and accept him as your Lord and Savior.

I was personally didnt become a Christian until I was 18. If you want to know my personal testimony PM me but to wrap it up believing can only come from within. God gives us the gift of free-will to believe what we choose but we when open our hearts he finds a way in.

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[quote]krazykoukides wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

So, it says Jesus is a good guy, prophet.
Not, Jesus is the son of God?[/quote]

Basically.

But like I said; I’m no religious scholar… so I don’t have endless amounts of examples. I find this thread very interesting though.

Getting somewhat back on topic… I do wonder what Christians on T-Nation would make of this:

A couple weeks ago I had an odd dream, most of which I don’t remember, but one part which I remember very vividly.

In this dream I found myself walking through somewhere similar to time square in NYC. It was at night and it was snowing lightly. I felt as if this area was moving around me rather than myself moving through it, though. That adrenaline filled tunnel vision type feeling.

As the center of this area approached me… things began to slow down and I felt as if I wanted to turn away. I was filled with terrific anger. I started hearing “O’ Holy Night” all around me… as if sung by a choir in my head.

As the song progressed to the part where “Fall on your knees; Oh hear the angel’s voices” is sung… I literally fell to my knees. I began to cry. As the song progressed I began to look up to see an overwhelming bright light; and that is when I woke up.

When I woke up I felt as if I had really been there. As if… I really had … had that experience.

A part of me feels compelled to read the bible and possibly attend Sunday mass. Do any of you feel this dream… this ‘experience’ is enough reason for me to test the waters of Christianity? What were the reasons that compelled you to believe? To accept Christ as your savior?[/quote]
I’ve had 2 very vivid dreams that have made an impression on me, but not enough to make me convert to Christianity, though. The first one happened before I was in grade school, with the other occurring in my early 30’s.

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mkay…

has it occurred to anyone yet that the earth is billions of years old, yet the OT only goes back about 5-6 thousand years?

and what about the dinosaurs, why are they not mentioned in the bible?

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[quote]Edgy wrote:
mkay…

has it occurred to anyone yet that the earth is billions of years old, yet the OT only goes back about 5-6 thousand years?

and what about the dinosaurs, why are they not mentioned in the bible?[/quote]
Algebra too. I guess we’ve all been hog swaggled by proofs.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I know. But regarding subject matter, explain how G-d isn’t an asshole given his mass murders and near annihilation of the human race, I don’t care how many rainbows he creates.[/quote]

You assume whom he killed was primarily human, a common mistake of non-Jewish readers.

You might want to the original version a bit closer and look for the word “Nephilim” that appears in better translations.

You also might want to consider that the Hebrew term translated “world” in English in said account actually translates to “known world” (and is used several times in that manner) and, more specifically refers to a Texas-sized spot known as Mesopotamia where there was, in fact, a massive flood with mountain collapsing and the sea rushing in circa the early stone age.

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[quote]Edgy wrote:
mkay…

has it occurred to anyone yet that the earth is billions of years old, yet the OT only goes back about 5-6 thousand years?

and what about the dinosaurs, why are they not mentioned in the bible?[/quote]

How old was Adam when he was created?

The sages tell us he was in his 30s. Yet he was one day old.

Now, let us imagine Adam going for a medical exam a day after he was created. The receptionist asks for his age and he answers: â??one dayâ??. â??You must be kidding me,â?? she would reply. â??You seem to be at least 30 years old!â??

They are both right.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I know. But regarding subject matter, explain how G-d isn’t an asshole given his mass murders and near annihilation of the human race, I don’t care how many rainbows he creates.[/quote]

You assume whom he killed was primarily human, a common mistake of non-Jewish readers.

You might want to the original version a bit closer and look for the word “Nephilim” that appears in better translations.

You also might want to consider that the Hebrew term translated “world” in English in said account actually translates to “known world” (and is used several times in that manner) and, more specifically refers to a Texas-sized spot known as Mesopotamia where there was, in fact, a massive flood with mountain collapsing and the sea rushing in circa the early stone age.
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Large floods show up in other cultures mythologies around the world. I have heard some suggest that would mean a global flood (there really is not enough water) or it could means floods are somewhat common (and they are, especially in low lying flood plains like Mesopotamia).

Just putting that out there.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I know. But regarding subject matter, explain how G-d isn’t an asshole given his mass murders and near annihilation of the human race, I don’t care how many rainbows he creates.[/quote]

You assume whom he killed was primarily human, a common mistake of non-Jewish readers.

You might want to the original version a bit closer and look for the word “Nephilim” that appears in better translations.

You also might want to consider that the Hebrew term translated “world” in English in said account actually translates to “known world” (and is used several times in that manner) and, more specifically refers to a Texas-sized spot known as Mesopotamia where there was, in fact, a massive flood with mountain collapsing and the sea rushing in circa the early stone age.
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Nephilim, annunaki, aliens, half lizard freemason illuminati… They are all still his creation, right? And he had the power to create them in such a way that he wouldn’t feel like killing them later? And the Egyptians were human, consequently his creations too. What father kills his own kids, even if misbehaving?

I’m open to serious discussion, this is my genuine perception.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I know. But regarding subject matter, explain how G-d isn’t an asshole given his mass murders and near annihilation of the human race, I don’t care how many rainbows he creates.[/quote]

You assume whom he killed was primarily human, a common mistake of non-Jewish readers.

You might want to the original version a bit closer and look for the word “Nephilim” that appears in better translations.
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Could you explain this further?

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[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote] Jewbacca wrote:
You assume whom he killed was primarily human, a common mistake of non-Jewish readers.

You might want to the original version a bit closer and look for the word “Nephilim” that appears in better translations.
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Could you explain this further?[/quote]

Well, the primary target of the Flood was the Nephilim, a product of (probably) the line of Cain and something else.

The “something else” could be angels, as is the traditional interpretation.

Could be Neaderthals.

Big, hulking, largely evil dudes who were beating the shit out of us, regardless.

I would also point out the line of Cain is not extinct, as oft preached by goy. His descendants show up several times later. (A mistake made because the Romans overlooked the WIVES of Noah’s children, whose geneologies are not given in the Torah itself, but rather in the Talmud.)

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Nephilim, annunaki, aliens, half lizard freemason illuminati… They are all still his creation, right? And he had the power to create them in such a way that he wouldn’t feel like killing them later?
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Read the chapter and figure our why it was necessary to kill them and how He felt about it.

Understandably troubling. The day before the Passover is the Fast of the Innocents for a reason, as it is horrid when the sins of parent cause innocent children to suffer.

Much the same happens to crack babies even today.

But specifically regarding the Eqyptians, many, many left with the Jewish people. It was “mixed multitude.” Heck, Moshe’s wife was a Cushite (Ethiopian). So the invitation to bail was open to all.

And go look at the 10 plagues. They started with warnings and harmless things, then gradually, gradually progressed — again giving all Eqyptians the means to avoid them. All it took was repentance and rejection of their horrid pagan “gods.”

Even the final plague was avoidable to any who wished to follow G-d and abandon their evil ways.

And many did, in fact, escape punishment by accepting the free gift.

You pretty much had to be a willful idiot to face punishment.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:
mkay…

has it occurred to anyone yet that the earth is billions of years old, yet the OT only goes back about 5-6 thousand years?

and what about the dinosaurs, why are they not mentioned in the bible?[/quote]

How old was Adam when he was created?

The sages tell us he was in his 30s. Yet he was one day old.

Now, let us imagine Adam going for a medical exam a day after he was created. The receptionist asks for his age and he answers: â??one dayâ??. â??You must be kidding me,â?? she would reply. â??You seem to be at least 30 years old!â??

They are both right.[/quote]

so, you’re saying that Einstein was right?

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ahem

'splain dinasosurs for me, and why they are not mentioned in the bible~

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[quote]Edgy wrote:
ahem

'splain dinasosurs for me, and why they are not mentioned in the bible~[/quote]

Ummm, because the authors had no knowledge of dinosaurs…?

What are you getting at?

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:
ahem

'splain dinasosurs for me, and why they are not mentioned in the bible~[/quote]

Ummm, because the authors had no knowledge of dinosaurs…?

What are you getting at?
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if the bible is ispired by god, then how is it that the authors have no knowledge of them?

or cavemen for that matter?

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[quote]Edgy wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:
ahem

'splain dinasosurs for me, and why they are not mentioned in the bible~[/quote]

Ummm, because the authors had no knowledge of dinosaurs…?

What are you getting at?
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if the bible is ispired by god, then how is it that the authors have no knowledge of them?

or cavemen for that matter?
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Edit/ - forget that I asked, after reading it, it makes me sound like an ignorant ass.

and I like to keep my ignorance to myself -