[quote]Edgy wrote:
so, you’re saying that Einstein was right?
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I don’t know what Einstein said.
[quote]Edgy wrote:
ahem
'splain dinasosurs for me, and why they are not mentioned in the bible~[/quote]
For the same reason fax machines were not mentioned, I suppose. Or the internet. Or how to smelt bronze. Not relevant to the subject matter.
The book is about our relationship with G-d, not an encylopedia of all things.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Nephilim, annunaki, aliens, half lizard freemason illuminati… They are all still his creation, right? And he had the power to create them in such a way that he wouldn’t feel like killing them later?
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Read the chapter and figure our why it was necessary to kill them and how He felt about it.
Understandably troubling. The day before the Passover is the Fast of the Innocents for a reason, as it is horrid when the sins of parent cause innocent children to suffer.
Much the same happens to crack babies even today.
But specifically regarding the Eqyptians, many, many left with the Jewish people. It was “mixed multitude.” Heck, Moshe’s wife was a Cushite (Ethiopian). So the invitation to bail was open to all.
And go look at the 10 plagues. They started with warnings and harmless things, then gradually, gradually progressed — again giving all Eqyptians the means to avoid them. All it took was repentance and rejection of their horrid pagan “gods.”
Even the final plague was avoidable to any who wished to follow G-d and abandon their evil ways.
And many did, in fact, escape punishment by accepting the free gift.
You pretty much had to be a willful idiot to face punishment.[/quote]
Right, people were being “evil”, god warned them and allowed them to repent (cue Jesus later) they chose not to so he murdered them. Still an asshole. He created and propogates the existence of man, then slaps them around with their humanity. It’s sick. Like putting a dog in a meat locker, threatening to kill it if it even licks anything and then killing it.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I don’t know what Einstein said.[/quote]
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the the universe.”
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I don’t know what Einstein said.[/quote]
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the the universe.”
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I thought he was going for “Religion, art, and science are branches off the same tree.”
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I don’t know what Einstein said.[/quote]
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the the universe.”
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haha~ I was referring to his concept that time is not linear.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Right, people were being “evil”, god warned them and allowed them to repent (cue Jesus later) they chose not to so he murdered them. Still an asshole. He created and propogates the existence of man, then slaps them around with their humanity. It’s sick. Like putting a dog in a meat locker, threatening to kill it if it even licks anything and then killing it.[/quote]
No opinion on the Nazarine and don’t care to discuss that.
But since you hate G-d, tell Him to fuck off and live your life accordingly.
That’s between you and the G-d you hate.
Me? I have sense to know the things He tells me to avoid are bad for me, and I appreciate Him for loving me enough to discipline me when I do stupid shit.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
I appreciate Him for loving me enough to discipline me when I do stupid shit.[/quote]
like hangovers?
srsly, sometimes I think that they were put on earth to teach us not to have too much fun~
JK -
[quote]Edgy wrote:
haha~ I was referring to his concept that time is not linear.
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Well that, and the fact that time is a construct of the universe and G-d exists outside of it.
To Him, you are, all at the same “time,” a sperm, egg, baby, child, adult, dottard, and rotting corpse.
Here:
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Eh, if I did everything in my dreams I should have won the lottery and had a relationship with Natalie Portman.
But this has not happened. She is a vegan.[/quote]
Well, of course, and I think that goes without saying.
Have you not ever had a dream which left an impression on yourself?
[quote]imhungry wrote:
I’ve had 2 very vivid dreams that have made an impression on me, but not enough to make me convert to Christianity, though. The first one happened before I was in grade school, with the other occurring in my early 30’s. [/quote]
Those vivid dreams is exactly what I was trying to describe.
If anything - the dream I had really made me want to learn a little more about Christianity… at the very least. Was it enough to make me a believer? I don’t think so … but it has left me very curious. An impression was made, that is for sure.
Did your vivid dreams change how you perceived things?
[quote]Ler012 wrote:
You dont need any reason to start asking Christ to be a part of your life. Let me rephrase, we accept Christ as our Lord and Savior not because of any specific instance but because we know that submitting ourselves to Him is the only way to salvation and He is the only One that can handle our burdens. Thats the beauty of God’s grace. He let his only son, Christ, die on the cross of our sins…everyone of us. This includes those who don’t believe. Now, in your specific case this may be a great place to start asking more questions about faith, opening yourself up to church and when you feel ready (which could be now, as only you will know) ask Christ to come into your life and accept him as your Lord and Savior.
I was personally didnt become a Christian until I was 18. If you want to know my personal testimony PM me but to wrap it up believing can only come from within. God gives us the gift of free-will to believe what we choose but we when open our hearts he finds a way in.[/quote]
Thanks for your response - this was what I was looking for. I’ll definitely pm you sometime because I am most interested in the personal reasons as to why somebody became a Christian/believer - especially one like yourself who was not born a Christian.
If anybody else is willing to share - don’t be shy.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Right, people were being “evil”, god warned them and allowed them to repent (cue Jesus later) they chose not to so he murdered them. Still an asshole. He created and propogates the existence of man, then slaps them around with their humanity. It’s sick. Like putting a dog in a meat locker, threatening to kill it if it even licks anything and then killing it.[/quote]
No opinion on the Nazarine and don’t care to discuss that.
But since you hate G-d, tell Him to fuck off and live your life accordingly.
That’s between you and the G-d you hate.
Me? I have sense to know the things He tells me to avoid are bad for me, and I appreciate Him for loving me enough to discipline me when I do stupid shit.[/quote]
Am I correct in my perception after all then and it is just a choice whether or not to fall in line? A choice to fear an abusive god and bow to his whims so he doesn’t punish you in the life he forced upon you?
Given the circumstance, it seems Jesus is the only entity worth praising and worshipping although I understand your cultural aversion to discussion.
And I do appreciate your discussion thus far, it has sparked an interest in getting my hands on the talmud and re-reading some things for a new perspective.
[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Eh, if I did everything in my dreams I should have won the lottery and had a relationship with Natalie Portman.
But this has not happened. She is a vegan.[/quote]
Well, of course, and I think that goes without saying.
Have you not ever had a dream which left an impression on yourself?[/quote]
I know. You asked a big question and it was my way of suggesting to sit back and think on it some more. I often have repeating dreams, some extremely vivid. Like the one where I am running through an underground city, on a stone pathway next to a lake (also underground) and I have to jump over the occasional limb until one is too high to go over so I go under and an alligator jumps off the tree limb and usually that is where the dream ends. The funny thing is I think the city is based off the Pittsburgh airport.
Then there was the one where I kept dreaming if I went off the grad school I would be hit by a van and have to leave school (I am used to blaming that imagery on the movie Meet Joe Black except it turns out it was released the next year). Had that dream for months, and always a white van. And low and behold - it was a white van.
I hope that clears things up.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Am I correct in my perception after all then and it is just a choice whether or not to fall in line? A choice to fear an abusive god and bow to his whims so he doesn’t punish you in the life he forced upon you?[/quote]
Did your mother slap your hand when you tried to touch a hot stove? Did she do this to satisfy a whim?
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Am I correct in my perception after all then and it is just a choice whether or not to fall in line? A choice to fear an abusive god and bow to his whims so he doesn’t punish you in the life he forced upon you?[/quote]
Did your mother slap your hand when you tried to touch a hot stove? Did she do this to satisfy a whim?[/quote]
What about the argument that G-d is sinless but also created sin? Not sure if that concerns you but I remember having a conversation about it with my philosophy professor and he said as a Christian the going idea is that the thought about sin for so short of a time it did not count.
That seems stupid and contrived.
I was thinking about that in relation to this thread and your example above, for me, drew on that issue.
Do you think the “sin conundrum” could be better settled in that G-d thought about possible behaviors (whatever really) and put some in the Good pile and put some in the Bad pile and called them “Sin”? At least for me, his thoughts were not sins, as they were not yet named sin (the idea that you cannot break a law if the law does not exist).
Is this even an issue in the Jewish community?
Wondered this for years, now seemed as good of time to ask others.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Am I correct in my perception after all then and it is just a choice whether or not to fall in line? A choice to fear an abusive god and bow to his whims so he doesn’t punish you in the life he forced upon you?[/quote]
Did your mother slap your hand when you tried to touch a hot stove? Did she do this to satisfy a whim?[/quote]
My mother didn’t create the laws of nature and then set me up for negative consequences.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Am I correct in my perception after all then and it is just a choice whether or not to fall in line? A choice to fear an abusive god and bow to his whims so he doesn’t punish you in the life he forced upon you?[/quote]
Did your mother slap your hand when you tried to touch a hot stove? Did she do this to satisfy a whim?[/quote]
My mother didn’t create the laws of nature and then set me up for negative consequences.[/quote]
“Punishment” (or consequences of bad acts, if you want) is an expression of G-d’s mercy, an opportunity for a soul to rid itself of doing wrong things, and so to improve.
All of creation exists to hone each soul in to a fitting companion and friend of G-d.
I understand, you don’t want to be his friend.
You want, instead, to go on sex tours where the whores act whorelike, but the actual economic transaction is hidden so you can pretend to be a stud and feel better about yourself. I am sure this will turn out great for you.
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Am I correct in my perception after all then and it is just a choice whether or not to fall in line? A choice to fear an abusive god and bow to his whims so he doesn’t punish you in the life he forced upon you?[/quote]
Did your mother slap your hand when you tried to touch a hot stove? Did she do this to satisfy a whim?[/quote]
What about the argument that G-d is sinless but also created sin? Not sure if that concerns you but I remember having a conversation about it with my philosophy professor and he said as a Christian the going idea is that the thought about sin for so short of a time it did not count.
That seems stupid and contrived.
I was thinking about that in relation to this thread and your example above, for me, drew on that issue.
Do you think the “sin conundrum” could be better settled in that G-d thought about possible behaviors (whatever really) and put some in the Good pile and put some in the Bad pile and called them “Sin”? At least for me, his thoughts were not sins, as they were not yet named sin (the idea that you cannot break a law if the law does not exist).
Is this even an issue in the Jewish community?
Wondered this for years, now seemed as good of time to ask others.[/quote]
Sounds kind of dualist, to me.
G-d didn’t want robots to be His friends. He wants people who He can love and love Him.
You can chose to participate in that love, or not. “Not” is against G-d’s will, and thus “sin.”
Me, I chose to participate. HG has hardened his heart against G-d and chosen not to participate. That’s his business.
Protestant reporting in.
Not a whole lot of dogma, just don’t be a cunt and do unto others as you want to have done unto you.