Anti-Self Help Crusade

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Who else here wants to tell the whole assortment of charlatans, knaves, rubes, liars, manipulators, and hucksters of the self-help movement to take a flying leap and to take their Law of Attraction and shove it up their asses?

This thread will be dedicated to ripping this disastrous, destructive “movement” apart.

In particular, I’d like to criticize the written work of Brian Tracy because when I was very young and naive, actually read a few of this man’s books and actually fell for much of the crap in them. [/quote]

I think your way off base with this. Granted there are certain books in this field that are better than others, but over all I think the basic theme of working hard and thinking positive is exactly the right thing to do. My first self-help book was from Zig Ziglar and I can honestly say it changed my life for the better.
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They’re not all bad. Feeling Good: The New Mood Therapy by Dr. Burns, a REAL psychiatrist and mental health counselor (not a “life coach”), was one of the best books I’ve ever read.

What grown adult would be foolish enough to say that hard work isn’t important in many cases (I said “many” because some jobs don’t warrant hard work, something self-help hucksters don’t realize)? From my posts and this thread, do you think that I’m someone who doesn’t value hard work?

I’m not with you on positive thinking. Confidence comes from experience and competence - KNOWING that you can do something or that you have some trait (like good looks).

Confidence is another abused word in this new era of “feel good” delusion, along with the abused words and terms:

ambition
strategic planning
wealth building
mastermind
mastermind group
support system.

Confidence might take the cake with inappropriate words and terms - like women constantly saying “I want a guy who’s confident.” I ask, “Confident in what?” Every time I attracted a woman, I don’t remember going into the situation, “Yeah, I once squatted 500 pounds, so therefore I know I can do it again. I’m good at math, so if you give me some problems, I’ll solve them.”

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[quote]smithers584 wrote:
Let me clear this up. I am talking about books that people read to feel better about themselves, not books to educate you on a different aspect of life. I am talking about books that people read to “be a better person” or “how to stop being a loser” type books, not cooking books or training articles.

If you have a problem with yourself (as in, your personality, confidence, some psychological issues), you shouldnt need a book to tell you how to fix it. Everyone knows what they should/shouldnt do, its intrinsic to “most” humans. So, if you need to read a book to help you fix these issues, then you have problems, and yes, I know there are people like this around us.[/quote]

Um, yeah they probably do have a problem. Isn’t that the whole point? Who doesn’t have any problem in one form or another? Because they want to educate themselves on the subject makes them beneath you?

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Sounds like you a big fan of these books yourself Sam. And thats fine, just dont expect the rest of the world to believe some book is going to solve your problems, when really all you have to do is reach down, find your sack, and confront the problems yourself. Self Help books are just roadmaps for people who cant find their own sack.[/quote]

Nope, not a big fan of self help books. But I’m not going to say they’re worthless when I know people whom these books have helped out. Nor, am I going to judge these people and call them pussies the way you have. Think about that. You’re calling them pussies because they decided to read a book that may have information that could help them in whatever current situation they find themselves in. I just found that odd.

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List of the people who ought to be killed…Starting with these people who read self help books. Why do so many people need help?! Life is not that complicated. You get up, you go to work, eat three meals, you take one good shit and you go back to bed. What’s the fucking mystery?!

And the part I really don’t understand, if you’re looking for self help, why would you read a book, written by somebody else?! That’s not self help, that’s help!

There’s no such a thing as self help. If you did it yourself, you didn’t need help. You did it yourself!

–George Carlin

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
Nor, am I going to judge these people and call them pussies the way you have. Think about that. You’re calling them pussies because they decided to read a book that may have information that could help them in whatever current situation they find themselves in. I just found that odd.
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Hold the fucking phone. I never called people who read these books pussies, I gave a basic example of how I am with my friends, who most of the time just need to man up, and they know me, so they understand where I am coming from. So, quit putting words in my mouth.

If you need to read a book due to the situation you are in, you have problems, or society has failed you. If you dont have friends/family that can help you through this, and you dont intrinsically know how to solve your OWN problems, then you need help from a professional whom which you meet with face to face, not some fucking guy who wrote a book.

Most of society today is people who make excuses about why they have problems, and why they cant solve them on their own. Fuck that. These people “wont” solve their own problems. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule.

Example: Most people now in our society are overweight. Look at the excuses that revolve around why they are fat. HFCS this, carbs that. Yes, those play a role in the problem, but these people wont help themselves, they just point the finger, saying things like “I dont have time to exercise”. Bullshit.

If you told that same group of people that they had a rare form of cancer that only exercise could cure, they would find the time.

Unfortunately, this type of attitude rolls over into every aspect of someones life.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
Who else here wants to tell the whole assortment of charlatans, knaves, rubes, liars, manipulators, and hucksters of the self-help movement to take a flying leap and to take their Law of Attraction and shove it up their asses?

This thread will be dedicated to ripping this disastrous, destructive “movement” apart.

In particular, I’d like to criticize the written work of Brian Tracy because when I was very young and naive, actually read a few of this man’s books and actually fell for much of the crap in them.

I think your way off base with this. Granted there are certain books in this field that are better than others, but over all I think the basic theme of working hard and thinking positive is exactly the right thing to do. My first self-help book was from Zig Ziglar and I can honestly say it changed my life for the better.

They’re not all bad. Feeling Good: The New Mood Therapy by Dr. Burns, a REAL psychiatrist and mental health counselor (not a “life coach”), was one of the best books I’ve ever read.

What grown adult would be foolish enough to say that hard work isn’t important[/quote]

You’d be surprised at the number of people who fall for “get rich quick” schemes. Magic “lose weight fast” pills and many other gimmicks which promise something for little or no work. In fact, we seem to be a society which thrives on the fast and easy. So, any book which reinforces traditional values such as hard work, saving, goal setting taking action etc. is sorely needed in 2010.

I only read the original post, so I have no idea. But I was not implying you didn’t know the value of hard work. I was talking about certain self-help books.

I agree confidence does come from all of things you’ve listed and many more. However, positive thinking is something a bit different. It has been proven that those with positive expectations do better in life than others. It’s also been demonstrated that those who have a more optimistic attitude to better than pessimists, in fact they even get sick less times per year.

I’ve read some self-help books that are not as good as others, but over all I think there is a very real need today for this class of books. Kids growing up today don’t have the positive parental supervision that my generation did. Music is more negative, the times are more negative. We need encouragement and this is (only) one place where it can be found.

Thank God for self-help books and the authors who write them.

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[quote]postholedigger wrote:
List of the people who ought to be killed…Starting with these people who read self help books. Why do so many people need help?! Life is not that complicated. You get up, you go to work, eat three meals, you take one good shit and you go back to bed. What’s the fucking mystery?!

And the part I really don’t understand, if you’re looking for self help, why would you read a book, written by somebody else?! That’s not self help, that’s help!

There’s no such a thing as self help. If you did it yourself, you didn’t need help. You did it yourself!

–George Carlin[/quote]

And when you fall down you didn’t need help, but sometimes you need a little help to get back up.

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[quote]smithers584 wrote:
when really all you have to do is reach down, find your sack, and confront the problems yourself. Self Help books are just roadmaps for people who cant find their own sack.[/quote]

I think you’re just salty because you haven’t found a book that will help you not reference your scrotum every three seconds. Relax buddy, everybody in here thinks you’re a big tough manly man, you don’t need to show us your testicles for proof.

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[quote]smithers584 wrote:

Most of society today is people who make excuses about why they have problems, and why they cant solve them on their own. Fuck that. These people “wont” solve their own problems. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule.[/quote]

What do you think would happen if they read a good self-help book that explained to them that they are in fact responsible for their own decisions and that they are currently a product of all of the good and bad decisions that they’ve made up to that point?

I think it could help them don’t you?

[quote]Example: Most people now in our society are overweight. Look at the excuses that revolve around why they are fat. HFCS this, carbs that. Yes, those play a role in the problem, but these people wont help themselves, they just point the finger, saying things like “I dont have time to exercise”. Bullshit.

If you told that same group of people that they had a rare form of cancer that only exercise could cure, they would find the time.[/quote]

You make a good point here and good for you for understand this simple concept. The people who don’t quite get it are also in need of this important message. Some self-help books would be able to explain this to them.

One more important point, we all have one or more problems to deal with. One person might be over weight, another drinks too much, someone else might be lazy. Some have no patients with others. You are not above it all and neither am I. You and I might be able to figure out what our problems are and solve them. Those who are unable to do this need assistance of some kind. It matters not where they get it does it? If something helps them feel better then good for them for finding it and good for whomever has helped them and in whatever form it was offered, even self-help books.

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[quote]smithers584 wrote:

Hold the fucking phone. I never called people who read these books pussies, I gave a basic example of how I am with my friends, who most of the time just need to man up, and they know me, so they understand where I am coming from. So, quit putting words in my mouth.

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OK I apologize. You didn’t specifically use the word pussy to describe them. You said this

Yeah, that’s so much better. That is nothing like calling someone a pussy.

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Also, there is a false presumption that all readers of self-help books are leading crappy lives they are unhappy with. That is like assuming that all readers of fat-loss books are obese. In fact, I suspect that many people purchase self-help books because they are already achieving at a fairly high level but are aiming beyond that.

I’m far from unhappy with my life and think that, for the most part, I’m a pretty good person with his head on straight. However, there’s aspects of my life that I think could be better or qualities about myself that I could improve. There’s goals that I have that I haven’t reached yet; I would be a fool to not avail myself of information that could help me reach them. Whether this information comes through conversation with my Dad, quiet introspection or yes, even a book, is not really that important.

Really though, you sound like you have a problem with books. It’s okay to crack one open, I think you will lots of good things in there. Remember, reading is FUNdamental!

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Wow, people are so overly sensitive. If I offended anyone, really, then I apologize. I didnt realize that on a website called “Testosterone Nation”, people get all caught up in words and get upset. I was expressing a point in a abrupt manner, and instead of arguing the point, you are arguing “feelings”.

I am not saying people dont need help, I am just saying that if someone isnt going to help themselves, or their friends/family arent going to help them, I dont see how a book some stranger wrote is going to change anything. Again, this is where society has failed them, and instead of helping others, people like you guys are recommending that they just go read a book?

However, I challenge you to go talk to 10 random people on the street, ask them if they are in the kind of shape (health wise) they want to be, ask them if financially they are doing well, or any other question like that, and I bet you get at least 8 people saying “well no, but…” followed by some excuse as to why its not their fault and how they cant solve their own problems.

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Arrogant bastard mocking the common American who makes a middle class living. And most of the people who follow the plan he scorns are NOT poor. According to this asshole, my whole family is poor. My mother’s just some dweeb who worked for 30 years as a teacher and my uncle and grandfather are schmucky salesmen sitting in stores all day.

I just love how he keeps using the words “poor dad”, as if all employees are all poor. Some employees are millionaires and MOST scrapping entrepreneurs are NOT millionaires.

It’s so funny how he promotes MLM. Ever been to an MLM meeting? It’s fucking hysterical!

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[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
I suspect that many people purchase self-help books because they are already achieving at a fairly high level but are aiming beyond that.

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Care to elaborate?

People who are successful know how to succeed, at anything. They know the steps to take and the work it takes, thats not something you find in a book.

Here is the point (hypothetically, of course), you dont need a book to tell you to save money. You know that you should, but you dont. If you decide you want to save, and find a book to help you set up a budget, thats great. But, thats not what we are talking about here. At some point, people just need to man up and do what they know is right.

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quietly munches popcorn, amazed at the hypocrisy, ignorance and mindless judgment in this thread

I have no wish to engage in a discussion about this tonight, as I am about to meet someone for dinner, however, I will say that taking a percentage of authors (of any topic) and making broad, all inclusive generalizations about said topic is not only a logical fallacy, but downright ignorant.

And for those of you who don’t know me, I went to prison at 18, got out and went into construction, started a business or two, got into mortgage, bought some real estate, opened a marketing company, got involved with a number of non-profits and economic development organizations, helped a bunch of other small businesses succeed, opened an renewable energy company, and I LOVE Brian Tracy. My bookshelf is a fucking Self Help library.

I agree that “The Secret” is the biggest bunch of bullshit ever written. It was so bad, I couldn’t finish it! THAT is not what self help is.

It sounds to me that a lot of the folks here who “hate” self help and judge others that have found it useful MAY have a few self limiting beliefs that just MAY be affecting the quality of their lives… Just sayin’…

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

And for those of you who don’t know me, I went to prison at 18, got out and went into construction, started a business or two, got into mortgage, bought some real estate, opened a marketing company, got involved with a number of non-profits and economic development organizations, helped a bunch of other small businesses succeed, opened an renewable energy company, and I LOVE Brian Tracy. My bookshelf is a fucking Self Help library.

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And you contribute you success to the books?

Tell me, how many other people in prison with you do you think would have changed their lives if they had read these books?

Congrats on your success story, I believe you are the exception to the rule.

I am man enough to admit that I have been too abrassive with argueing my point (I never thought people would pick apart my choice of words). If self help books truely help you, great, but you will never achieve excellence until you find out how to do it on your own. Maybe self help books will help get you there, but in all reality, 80% of the people in this country will never truely be excellent at anything, becuase they choose to take the easy road too often.

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And I’m thoroughly irritated with this “thinking big” and “abundance mentality” garbage.

Want to become rich? How about this?

  1. Get into a field that pays 6 to 7 seven figures ON AVERAGE.
  2. Start a business in which you can earn 6 to 7 figures.
  3. Live below your means.

MOST Americans aren’t in the position to do any of these three. And getting in the right position has nothing to do with thinking big or having an “abundance mentality”.

How about going to law school or literally slaving away in med school for 4 to 10 years after college? Or working like a fucking dog with some special, unique skill or products that A LOT of people want ((someone like Joe Defranco or Dave Tate would fall into this category of people). Defranco and Tate work like fucking maniacs and don’t sit on there ass having money working for them, nor do they make their livings off of fairytales. They got skills and services - people want them! End of fucking story!

It’s not about love. Granted the examples I give are of people who love what they do, but you can sure make a low income doing things you love as well. And love of something has nothing to do with consumer demand.

Likewise, some people ARE rich doing things they HATE! I know a guy who works in investment banking. He hates it, but he’s loaded! Again, proving this “must love job” theory so prevalent in self help information is ridiculous, as is most self help info.

ZEB: You wrote thank god for the people who write these books. It’s fine you feel that way. What do you say about all the destructive and fairytale shit they write, as I’ve explained here?

More shit that comes to mind…

Brian Tracy says:

  1. Work 60+ hours per week.
  2. Exercise three or more times per week.
  3. Spend CONSISTENT amounts of time with your spouse and kids (very doable with some things on this list).
  4. Read one to two hour per day, preferably in the morning.
  5. Write down your goals everyday.
  6. Plan your day in the morning.
  7. Plan your next day in the evening.
  8. Listen to self-help CDs on your way to work.
  9. Eat healthy.

I really can see how 2 to 9 can be done while working over 60 hours per week, considering travel time to work and all the pesky errands and chores and things for hygeine we must do on a daily basis.

I can also see how NEVER-FUCKING-ENDING stimulation is healthy for the mind too.

He also includes quotes from the bible in his books that are completely out of place. He also likes laws too - Murphy’s Law, Law of Reciprocation, Parkinson’s Law, Pareto Principle, and so on - all bologna.

He also says in his books and CDs that readers can increase their incomes by 25 to 50 percent EVERY year for the rest of their lives. My written words can’t express how insulting to our intelligence this kind of talk is and that such thinking applies to a FRACTION OF A PERCENT of people - people in HIGHLY compensated and performance-based pay positions such as medicine, entertainment, athletics, law, high-end sales, HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL entrepreneurship, and so on - NOT nearly all American workers! Yeah, sure, a teacher should be thinking of increasing her income by a 1/4 or a 1/2 every year! Good thinking!

He also once said, “I’ve heard and seen people get ridiculously high salaries. I’ve seen ordinary looking men obtain dates and even marry very beautiful women. They simply had the audacity to ask for what they wanted.”

More great thinking and advice from a complete knave! Outpricing yourself in an interview will surely have you rejected from a job in most cases - ESPECIALLY these days. Many jobs have NON-negotiable pay terms - ESPECIALLY these days. If an employer says, “The pay IS…(that’s not asking)”, what are you going to reply with? You can reply with something, but when they say, “Pay IS…” it means this is the shit and see the door if you don’t like it.

Advising ordinary dudes to go for drop dead gorgeous women is also destructive. Look at all the men, particularly in the SAMA forum on here, who think they’re a loser because they can’t help but focus all their sexual energy fantasizing and objectifying women they will NEVER wind up with! Yeah, it’s sure great to advise no-ass-getting men who rank a 5 in looks to seek out female 10s, preferably ones who are so hot and sexy that they can actually make a living off their looks.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

ZEB: You wrote thank god for the people who write these books. It’s fine you feel that way. What do you say about all the destructive and fairytale shit they write, as I’ve explained here?

More shit that comes to mind…

Brian Tracy says:

  1. Work 60+ hours per week.
  2. Exercise three or more times per week.
  3. Spend CONSISTENT amounts of time with your spouse and kids (very doable with some things on this list).
  4. Read one to two hour per day, preferably in the morning.
  5. Write down your goals everyday.
  6. Plan your day in the morning.
  7. Plan your next day in the evening.
  8. Listen to self-help CDs on your way to work.
  9. Eat healthy.

I really can see how 2 to 9 can be done while working over 60 hours per week, considering travel time to work and all the pesky errands and chores and things for hygeine we must do on a daily basis. [/quote]

Wow, better find the guy and punch him out huh? Can you imagine this man advising you to workout three times per week, plan your day, eat healthy etc. How dare he?

Come on tell me you’re kidding, come on say it.

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[quote]smithers584 wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

And for those of you who don’t know me, I went to prison at 18, got out and went into construction, started a business or two, got into mortgage, bought some real estate, opened a marketing company, got involved with a number of non-profits and economic development organizations, helped a bunch of other small businesses succeed, opened an renewable energy company, and I LOVE Brian Tracy. My bookshelf is a fucking Self Help library.

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And you contribute you success to the books?

Tell me, how many other people in prison with you do you think would have changed their lives if they had read these books?

Congrats on your success story, I believe you are the exception to the rule.

I am man enough to admit that I have been too abrassive with argueing my point (I never thought people would pick apart my choice of words). If self help books truely help you, great, but you will never achieve excellence until you find out how to do it on your own. Maybe self help books will help get you there, but in all reality, 80% of the people in this country will never truely be excellent at anything, becuase they choose to take the easy road too often.[/quote]

And thank god we DON’T have EVERYONE striving for excellence! Do you know how ridiculous this world would be if everyone was so goddamn ambitious?! Most of this world lives in savagery for various reasons, but it’s my opion that Western Civilization would be destroyed if everyone was aiming to be so good and successful. How would you have employers and citizens moving in the same direction? We’d have a world of perpetual war!

And just think of how goddamn crowded gyms would be if everyone wanted to be great at lifting and looking good. They’d be more clogged up than they already are!

And it’s not all about laziness or taking a stab at something. Some people just don’t have the resources or intelligence or environment to be great at something (IQ, upbringing, socioeconomic class born into, etc.).

By the way, what’s wrong with ordinariness, considering 99 percent of the population IS ordinary!

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[quote]usctrojansfan wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
And I’m thoroughly irritated with this “thinking big” and “abundance mentality” garbage.

Want to become rich? How about this?

  1. Get into a field that pays 6 to 7 seven figures ON AVERAGE.
  2. Start a business in which you can earn 6 to 7 figures.
  3. Live below your means.

MOST Americans aren’t in the position to do any of these three. And getting in the right position has nothing to do with thinking big or having an “abundance mentality”.

How about going to law school or literally slaving away in med school for 4 to 10 years after college? Or working like a fucking dog with some special, unique skill or products that A LOT of people want ((someone like Joe Defranco or Dave Tate would fall into this category of people). Defranco and Tate work like fucking maniacs and don’t sit on there ass having money working for them, nor do they make their livings off of fairytales. They got skills and services - people want them! End of fucking story!

It’s not about love. Granted the examples I give are of people who love what they do, but you can sure make a low income doing things you love as well. And love of something has nothing to do with consumer demand.

Likewise, some people ARE rich doing things they HATE! I know a guy who works in investment banking. He hates it, but he’s loaded! Again, proving this “must love job” theory so prevalent in self help information is ridiculous, as is most self help info.

ZEB: You wrote thank god for the people who write these books. It’s fine you feel that way. What do you say about all the destructive and fairytale shit they write, as I’ve explained here?

More shit that comes to mind…

Brian Tracy says:

  1. Work 60+ hours per week.
  2. Exercise three or more times per week.
  3. Spend CONSISTENT amounts of time with your spouse and kids (very doable with some things on this list).
  4. Read one to two hour per day, preferably in the morning.
  5. Write down your goals everyday.
  6. Plan your day in the morning.
  7. Plan your next day in the evening.
  8. Listen to self-help CDs on your way to work.
  9. Eat healthy.

I really can see how 2 to 9 can be done while working over 60 hours per week, considering travel time to work and all the pesky errands and chores and things for hygeine we must do on a daily basis.

I can also see how NEVER-FUCKING-ENDING stimulation is healthy for the mind too.

He also includes quotes from the bible in his books that are completely out of place. He also likes laws too - Murphy’s Law, Law of Reciprocation, Parkinson’s Law, Pareto Principle, and so on - all bologna.

He also says in his books and CDs that readers can increase their incomes by 25 to 50 percent EVERY year for the rest of their lives. My written words can’t express how insulting to our intelligence this kind of talk is and that such thinking applies to a FRACTION OF A PERCENT of people - people in HIGHLY compensated and performance-based pay positions such as medicine, entertainment, athletics, law, high-end sales, HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL entrepreneurship, and so on - NOT nearly all American workers! Yeah, sure, a teacher should be thinking of increasing her income by a 1/4 or a 1/2 every year! Good thinking!

He also once said, “I’ve heard and seen people get ridiculously high salaries. I’ve seen ordinary looking men obtain dates and even marry very beautiful women. They simply had the audacity to ask for what they wanted.”

More great thinking and advice from a complete knave! Outpricing yourself in an interview will surely have you rejected from a job in most cases - ESPECIALLY these days. Many jobs have NON-negotiable pay terms - ESPECIALLY these days. If an employer says, “The pay IS…(that’s not asking)”, what are you going to reply with? You can reply with something, but when they say, “Pay IS…” it means this is the shit and see the door if you don’t like it.

Advising ordinary dudes to go for drop dead gorgeous women is also destructive. Look at all the men, particularly in the SAMA forum on here, who think they’re a loser because they can’t help but focus all their sexual energy fantasizing and objectifying women they will NEVER wind up with! Yeah, it’s sure great to advise no-ass-getting men who rank a 5 in looks to seek out female 10s, preferably ones who are so hot and sexy that they can actually make a living off their looks. [/quote]

LOL wow. I only deal with RICH folks man, I had no idea you were this fucking frustrated with successful people.

If the guy who started bashing self help books is also bashing money and freedom, then what does that now say about self help books?

I am taking my gourmet nutrition and making dinner tonight!!! GO MONEY!!![/quote]

Actually I’m pretty happy with my life. I have a job I like, I make a decent income, I have a woman, and I love my family and friends.

I DO have a problem with self help information products though.

I have two rich friends and a rich uncle. Am I frustrated with them? Absolutely not. Am I frustrated with my doctor who earns in the mid-six figures? Why would I be?

Bashing freedom? Are you fucking kidding me?!

Keep making false assumptions from my writings.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

ZEB: You wrote thank god for the people who write these books. It’s fine you feel that way. What do you say about all the destructive and fairytale shit they write, as I’ve explained here?

More shit that comes to mind…

Brian Tracy says:

  1. Work 60+ hours per week.
  2. Exercise three or more times per week.
  3. Spend CONSISTENT amounts of time with your spouse and kids (very doable with some things on this list).
  4. Read one to two hour per day, preferably in the morning.
  5. Write down your goals everyday.
  6. Plan your day in the morning.
  7. Plan your next day in the evening.
  8. Listen to self-help CDs on your way to work.
  9. Eat healthy.

I really can see how 2 to 9 can be done while working over 60 hours per week, considering travel time to work and all the pesky errands and chores and things for hygeine we must do on a daily basis. [/quote]

Wow, better find the guy and punch him out huh? Can you imagine this man advising you to workout three times per week, plan your day, eat healthy etc. How dare he?

Come on tell me you’re kidding, come on say it.

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ZEB: Did I say there was a problem with healthy eating, considering I’m a fuckin’ dietitian, have an undergrad in nutrition, and am finishing an masters in nutrition, eat six meals per day?

Do I have a problem with physical activity considering it’s been part of my life since 13 years old, that I wanted to compete in BB and PL at one time, and currently exercise SIX TO SEVEN times per week for a total of 6 to 10 hours per week?

OR do I have a problem with a guy telling us to stay awake for 20 hours per day with non-stop stimulation and OVER-THINKING and OVER-PLANNING?

And who says I dismiss ALL self help? I have two favorite self help books: Feeling Good: The New Mood Therapy by Dr. Burns, and No More Mr. Nice Guy by Dr. Glover (a REAL, practicting pyschologist). I even like some of Suze Orman’s work, even though I find most of it worthless.