Another Penis Amputation

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

so

to the men that are lambasting all women in this thread. What do you want?

Every woman in this thread has been horrified.
Was that enough for you?

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Great I’m glad their personally horrified and are sure their female friends would be too.

We’re discussing how fucked up it is MANY women (not a small minority) out there think it’s okay to openly laugh about male genital mutilation on public television, especially in a non-comical environment. Evidence has been provided multiple times (CNN, Oprah), yet even with the evidence they keep denying it to be true.

If you want to talk about how poorly women are treated by men or female genital mutilation start another thread. Most of what you wrote is irrelevant to this thread.

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Well how about we start a daily naming of female abuse victims and you can all talk about that?

Maybe that is what is needed in the GAL thread since what happened this time is so abhorrent it could never have happened before?

Right,… not the same thing cuz it happens so often to women and no I do not need to start a new thread because it won’t mean a thing to men like you.

And how about you tell me how many women that is that is amused? Then tell me how many men make rape jokes?

Sorry to hijack your thread.

And again… stop lumping all women together or I get to start doing all that to all you men.
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First off you have no idea what matters to “men like me.”

What exactly does men making rape jokes have to do with what’s being discussed in this thread? Why do you keep bringing up stuff like this?

In case you missed it, most of us men aren’t lumping women together but:

From the evidence presented, it is reasonable to believe MANY women (Not all, not most but a significant amount) feel it’s okay to laugh at male genital mutilation on television. You saw 3 shining examples of this yet practically every female in this thread has disagreed with this statement.

If you’re not willing to create a new thread to voice your gripes about the mistreatment of women by men fine. But stop bringing this irrelevant stuff up.

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I see many people making very specific points of discussion only to have that completely dismissed by some of the female posters here so they can tell us that women have it more rough so we should just take it.

At least, it would seem that is the argument some of you are putting forth as if we should be ok that a woman won’t get fired for making a joke of an incident like this on national tv…and the reason she won’t get fired? She’s a woman…and the person convicted of a crime is a woman…and the victim was a man.

It takes some base level thinking to mentally jump to chuckling about an incident like this…and dare I say, may point to some internal all out hatred of the male body or presence for that to be so accepted as to occur en mass in a large group like that…and have no one speak out against it.

Anyone acting like this should be accepted without a word from us seem to be missing the point.

This is not an “anti-women” thread.

Hopefully it is a “wake the fuck up” thread.

You can’t even deny this shit happens…and claiming it isn’t all of you doesn’t help the fact that it happened and continues to happen…even if so many of you seem to not give a shit about that as if this is some pay back for female abuse.

Yes, I would have to agree that some slips are showing at this point.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
So anyway, the bitch was going to leave me, after all I had done for her.

So, I cut off her right breast after drugging her, and then ran it over with my lawnmower.

But that was 10 years ago, and now I can laugh about the whole thing, you know? Ha ha.

How’s about inviting me on to your TV show?

It’d be fun to talk about.[/quote]

I think this needs to be posted again. It appears people are forgetting, or perhaps not realizing, why this story so controversial.

Yeah, rape and genital mutilation and other heinous crimes against women happen every day, but the perpetrators are not invited onto tv shows to tell there story and then basically congratulated en masse.

This is how I read the issue as brought up by many of the posters in this thread.
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Wow

“Yeah, rape and genital mutilation and other heinous crimes against women happen every day, but the perpetrators are not invited onto tv shows to tell there story and then basically congratulated en masse.”

huh… well maybe if that didn’t happen every day? What do you think? What an ugly stupid statement.

No woman who has posted has been for this…none have laughed or applauded.

you are not a target.

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Is this post describing indignation?

This, probably, is what most posters on here are complaining about. This societal acceptance that is being described IS an issue. This post seems to be denying that. [/quote]

Who is denying what? [/quote]

This is the question you should be asking. Its the point of the thread that you appear to be missing.

[quote] Please list the names of those women who have posted in this thread and not been horrified by what happened.

Then please list me the names of the men who are actively trying to stop female genital mutilation, or at least are daily protesting the DAILY ABUSE OF WOMEN.

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This won’t get anywhere because this is coming across as a men against women thing. Just so you know, that is how it is coming across at last to me. Apparently so many of you do not know any decent women. [/quote]

Is this just trolling? I assume it is.

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
So anyway, the bitch was going to leave me, after all I had done for her.

So, I cut off her right breast after drugging her, and then ran it over with my lawnmower.

But that was 10 years ago, and now I can laugh about the whole thing, you know? Ha ha.

How’s about inviting me on to your TV show?

It’d be fun to talk about.[/quote]

I think this needs to be posted again. It appears people are forgetting, or perhaps not realizing, why this story so controversial.

Yeah, rape and genital mutilation and other heinous crimes against women happen every day, but the perpetrators are not invited onto tv shows to tell there story and then basically congratulated en masse.

This is how I read the issue as brought up by many of the posters in this thread.
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Fair enough, but I think it’s making a pretty big leap to assume that this second amputation is going to follow the same trajectory as the first. Like penis amputation is the new Thing and people will applaud and applaud it because after all, you can’t have too much of a good thing.

But even if people DO applaud…it’s only some people. The idiots. They’re the people screwing up my morning commute. There are a lot of them, but they don’t represent the views of thoughtful people.[/quote]

Perhaps they don’t represent the views of thoughtful people, but they are obviously accepted/acceptable views in society.

This must be true, otherwise the CNN anchor would be fired, there would have been a backlash on Oprah, and that other show would have been demonized. You and I know this is true because we know that “had the roles been reversed” these things would have happened. I guess that is the point I took from this thread anyway.

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All right, that’s fair, though I would still say that these are not really accepted views (I think if you surveyed people asking “is it okay to laugh about the mutilation of a man” the majority of people would say “no”). But okay, there are the clips, so that’s that. If it bothers you, you should post your outrage in the appropriate venues. Letters to editors, comments on media websites, influential blogs, etc.

The world is a fucked up place. But it was men who started derailing this thread with jokes, not the women.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

All right, that’s fair, though I would still say that these are not really accepted views (I think if you surveyed people asking “is it okay to laugh about the mutilation of a man” the majority of people would say “no”). But okay, there are the clips, so that’s that. If it bothers you, you should post your outrage in the appropriate venues. Letters to editors, comments on media websites, influential blogs, etc.

The world is a fucked up place. But it was men who started derailing this thread with jokes, not the women.[/quote]

For issue number one, I would bet if you took a survey and asked most women if size matters, most would say no. I am also sure how they would act if actually faced with the choice is very subject to change drastically from their survey answer. It isn’t about how someone would act if given a chance to THINK about it. It is about how they are acting IN THE MOMENT…and honestly, I can see right now that if we hadn’t posted the video, most of you would be acting like we were all crazy for seeing it…just like another poster began to respond earlier.

As far as how quickly the thread derailed, that is also a result of SOCIAL CONDITIONING…which is the whole fucking point I was trying to make.

YOUR KIDS will accept this behavior as NORMAL because society accepts it and does not respond the same with women as it does with men.

It may not be “survey answer acceptable” to laugh at a man getting mutilated, but it isn’t like little Johnny can’t see the reaction on Oprah himself. I mean, I don’t even watch Oprah and that stood out in my memory and apparently did in others people’s minds as well.

Yes, it is socially ok for women to do this and a man would get his ass handed to him if he did the same in reverse…not just by women but by every white knight in the surrounding area.

That is social conditioning…and it is also why many of you right here began calling my manhood into question the moment your ideals got questioned. That is the only reason to respond as if someone “loathes women” for pointing this out.

I mean, seriously, you guys aren’t speaking to a bunch of idiots.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

All right, that’s fair, though I would still say that these are not really accepted views (I think if you surveyed people asking “is it okay to laugh about the mutilation of a man” the majority of people would say “no”). But okay, there are the clips, so that’s that. If it bothers you, you should post your outrage in the appropriate venues. Letters to editors, comments on media websites, influential blogs, etc.

The world is a fucked up place. But it was men who started derailing this thread with jokes, not the women.[/quote]

For issue number one, I would bet if you took a survey and asked most women if size matters, most would say no. I am also sure how they would act if actually faced with the choice is very subject to change drastically from their survey answer. It isn’t about how someone would act if given a chance to THINK about it.[/quote]

Actually, I think it would be just the opposite. Asked, most women would giggle and say yes, size matters. In the moment there are other things at play and the choice becomes more complex. The penises are attached to men one will presumably be having to interact with. So in the moment one chooses the man, not the penis. (Please note that I have refrained from making any sort of disembodied-penis joke despite almost overwhelming temptation. I did that for you out of pure niceness, X.)

[quote] It is about how they are acting IN THE MOMENT…and honestly, I can see right now that if we hadn’t posted the video, most of you would be acting like we were all crazy for seeing it…just like another poster began to respond earlier.

As far as how quickly the thread derailed, that is also a result of SOCIAL CONDITIONING…which is the whole fucking point I was trying to make.

YOUR KIDS will accept this behavior as NORMAL because society accepts it and does not respond the same with women as it does with men. It may not be “survey answer acceptable” to laugh at a man getting mutilated, but it isn’t like little Johnny can’t see the reaction on Oprah himself. I mean, I don’t even watch Oprah and that stood out in my memory and apparently did in others people’s minds as well.[/quote]

WAIT A MINUTE…you don’t watch Oprah?? Don’t tell me you don’t watch that Sharon Osborne show, either! Why on earth not??? Isn’t that how most people stay informed??

At any rate, MY KIDS will know better. The television is not raising my children.

[quote]Yes, it is socially ok for women to do this and a man would get his ass handed to him if he did the same in reverse…not just by women but by every white knight in the surrounding area.

That is social conditioning…and it is also why many of you right here began calling my manhood into question the moment your ideals got questioned. That is the only reason to respond as if someone “loathes women” for pointing this out.[/quote]

I call your ability to deal rationally with women into question when you ignore that women agree with you and continue to accuse otherwise.

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I am not sure why the women posting in this thread are bringing up examples of violence done upon them by men.

That is not what this is about, this thread is about people LAUGHING at the mutilation of a man, ON A PUBLIC TV SHOW THAT IS WATCHED BY MILLIONS, WITH NO FEAR OF PUBLIC OUTCRY.

Who does that? It’s fucking sick. Who would even laugh at a dog/pig/cow/animal being mutilated? - DISGUSTING SICK FUCKS.

Yet it is OK for millions of people to laugh at the mutilation of a man? It is ok for the woman who done that mutilation to become famous and LAUGH ABOUT IT ON A TV SHOW, BE COMMENDED FOR IT?

If you are going to bring up an example to call us cry babies, then the examples should be of men laughing at the mutilation of women, publically, in front of millions - but oh wait, there isn’t any examples of that. Everyone apart from the sick fucks who carried out the mutilation shows disdain and sympathy for the women who had to suffer that atrocity, and rightfully so!

This thread is simply asking, why can’t the man who had his penis cut off be shown the same sympathy?

No man in this thread has any hate toward women, we love women. For me, life would be nearly pointless if it wasn’t for women.

What is there to argue about?

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[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
I am not sure why the women posting in this thread are bringing up examples of violence done upon them by men.

That is not what this is about, this thread is about people LAUGHING at the mutilation of a man, ON A PUBLIC TV SHOW THAT IS WATCHED BY MILLIONS, WITH NO FEAR OF PUBLIC OUTCRY.

Who does that? It’s fucking sick. Who would even laugh at a dog/pig/cow/animal being mutilated? - DISGUSTING SICK FUCKS.

Yet it is OK for millions of people to laugh at the mutilation of a man? It is ok for the woman who done that mutilation to become famous and LAUGH ABOUT IT ON A TV SHOW, BE COMMENDED FOR IT?

If you are going to bring up an example to call us cry babies, then the examples should be of men laughing at the mutilation of women, publically, in front of millions - but oh wait, there isn’t any examples of that. Everyone apart from the sick fucks who carried out the mutilation shows disdain and sympathy for the women who had to suffer that atrocity, and rightfully so!

This thread is simply asking, why can’t the man who had his penis cut off be shown the same sympathy?

No man in this thread has any hate toward women, we love women. For me, life would be nearly pointless if it wasn’t for women.

What is there to argue about?

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Clearly, they can group us all together as “men against women” but we dare not ever act as if women as a whole can get away with it because it is apparently only THOSE women who can get away with it.

It’s emotionally driven defensive behavior. The arguments against in this thread aren’t even on topic at all.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
I am not sure why the women posting in this thread are bringing up examples of violence done upon them by men.

That is not what this is about, this thread is about people LAUGHING at the mutilation of a man, ON A PUBLIC TV SHOW THAT IS WATCHED BY MILLIONS, WITH NO FEAR OF PUBLIC OUTCRY.

Who does that? It’s fucking sick. Who would even laugh at a dog/pig/cow/animal being mutilated? - DISGUSTING SICK FUCKS.

Yet it is OK for millions of people to laugh at the mutilation of a man? It is ok for the woman who done that mutilation to become famous and LAUGH ABOUT IT ON A TV SHOW, BE COMMENDED FOR IT?

If you are going to bring up an example to call us cry babies, then the examples should be of men laughing at the mutilation of women, publically, in front of millions - but oh wait, there isn’t any examples of that. Everyone apart from the sick fucks who carried out the mutilation shows disdain and sympathy for the women who had to suffer that atrocity, and rightfully so!

This thread is simply asking, why can’t the man who had his penis cut off be shown the same sympathy?

No man in this thread has any hate toward women, we love women. For me, life would be nearly pointless if it wasn’t for women.

What is there to argue about?

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Clearly, they can group us all together as “men against women” but we dare not ever act as if women as a whole can get away with it because it is apparently only THOSE women who can get away with it.

It’s emotionally driven defensive behavior. The arguments against in this thread aren’t even on topic at all.[/quote]

Given that you are not angry that a man got his dick cut off, or even that women on TV laughed about it but that are ACTUALLY angry that you believe you cannot get away with being a disgusting fuck too is why you are not getting a lot of sympathy from the women here and why the arguments being made here are right on topic because you too CAN get away with being a disgusting fuck and many do every day.

Unless you want to demonstrate some real activism about the issue to demand that the women laughing at this poor dude acknowledge their insensitivity I will be content to believe your beef is not with them but with the imaginary force of feminists oppressing your freedom to be a prick and forcing you to be sensitive.

The actual sentiment about his whole ordeal could have been summed up with first, disgust that one human being could do this to another and then with Nards post back on page 1 or two how it sucks how the media handles these things. But you want to make it about inequality in asshole behavior because you seem to think you should also be ‘allowed’ to be an insensitive asshole and even if I believed such an inequity existed, that’s not a cause I’m willing to break a sweat fighting for.

As for anyone else who takes issue with someone laughing at someone’s mutilation and is going to actually contact the offending networks and demand an apology, I fully support you and I think you are within your rights. Just don’t wait for me, or any women’s groups to write it for you.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

Given that you are not angry that a man got his dick cut off, or even that women on TV laughed about it but that are ACTUALLY angry that you believe you cannot get away with being a disgusting fuck too is why you are not getting a lot of sympathy from the women here and why the arguments being made here are right on topic because you too CAN get away with being a disgusting fuck and many do every day.[/quote]

Ridiculous. I don’t think ANYONE should be able to get away with that and have said as much. Why would you ignore me saying this only to lie later?

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The actual sentiment about his whole ordeal could have been summed up with first, disgust that one human being could do this to another and then with Nards post back on page 1 or two how it sucks how the media handles these things. But you want to make it about inequality in asshole behavior because you seem to think you should also be ‘allowed’ to be an insensitive asshole and even if I believed such an inequity existed, that’s not a cause I’m willing to break a sweat fighting for. [/quote]

Wrong. I effectually made it a lesson on social behavior because none of you have yet to give a valid argument against anything that was actually written. Therefore, why the butthurt?

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As for anyone else who takes issue with someone laughing at someone’s mutilation and is going to actually contact the offending networks and demand an apology, I fully support you and I think you are within your rights. Just don’t wait for me, or any women’s groups to write it for you.[/quote]

Right. The first step to solving a problem is acknowledging there actually is one. Why be so against that?

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Why is us discussing something in a forum for discussion such a problem for some of the female posters?

Professor X has been accused of “loathing” women, but it would seem that the people who participate in the discussion only to criticize us for having it, and tell us what we as a group are thinking and feeling, must hate men.

Why is it so irritating that we are talking about being disturbed by women laughing at a man’s suffering? The point is less valid, and somehow makes you angry, if we’re not organizing marches and signing petitions about it?

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Every day out in the world a young girl is having her vaginal lips sliced off. Where are the news reports? Yes I do not expect you men to laugh about it, but… the world has turned their attention away from it because… “that is just what they do in their society…”.

and mutilate the genitals of your baby daughters as this is your right.

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Every day out in the world a young boy is having his foreskin sliced off. Where are the news reports? Yes I do not expect you women to laugh about it, but… the world has turned their attention away from it because… “that is just what they do in their society…”.

and mutilate the genitals of your baby son as this is your right, here in America

double standards, double standards everywhere

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It’s so brutal I don’t think any woman with no previous history would do it unless she’s been abused to the point of losing her mind.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:
It’s so brutal I don’t think any woman with no previous history would do it unless she’s been abused to the point of losing her mind.
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Interesting. With no more info to go on, why could it not also be that she abused this man until it escalated to this point?

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[quote]Oleena wrote:
It’s so brutal I don’t think any woman with no previous history would do it unless she’s been abused to the point of losing her mind.
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Right. What if she’s a crazy psycho and her husband is a total muppet?

EDIT : Missed X’s answer. Yep, exactly that. What if this was just the icing?

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[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
It’s so brutal I don’t think any woman with no previous history would do it unless she’s been abused to the point of losing her mind.
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Right. What if she’s a crazy psycho and her husband is a total muppet?

EDIT : Missed X’s answer. Yep, exactly that. What if this was just the icing?[/quote]

It’s possible. However, statistically it’s far less likely than my original conclusion. Crazy women are out there, but the numbers of those who do serious, life threatening damage without a history of abuse from the other, compared with men, are miniscule.

If she’s crazy and he simply submitted too much, that’s beyond horrifying. On the other hand, if there was a long history of sexual violence, I would feel a little less upset about it (although it’s still absolutely disgusting and wrong).

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
It’s so brutal I don’t think any woman with no previous history would do it unless she’s been abused to the point of losing her mind.
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Right. What if she’s a crazy psycho and her husband is a total muppet?

EDIT : Missed X’s answer. Yep, exactly that. What if this was just the icing?[/quote]

It’s possible. However, statistically it’s far less likely than my original conclusion. Crazy women are out there, but the numbers of those who do serious, life threatening damage without a history of abuse from the other, compared with men, are miniscule.

If she’s crazy and he simply submitted too much, that’s beyond horrifying. On the other hand, if there was a long history of sexual violence, I would feel a little less upset about it (although it’s still absolutely disgusting and wrong).[/quote]

I don’t know Oleena, but in Spain I grew used to see those 40+ years old men, roaming around the shop following their overweight and cocky wives, like if they were empty shells, devoid of any life. Men are more aggressive, so that’s why there are more cases of physical abuse from men to women, but the psychological pain a woman can deal for years is also life threatening in the end. Between 50 and 70 women are killed every year by their husbands/boyfriends in Spain. Around 750 men divorced/in process of divorce commit suicide every year.

Don’t forget that this woman didn’t grab a knife and just do it. She drugged him, waited until he woke up and then did it. Cold blooded.

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But hey…I knew someone would see her as the victim.

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Jesus christ monkey balls! the poor bastard.

There’s a lot to be said for having a justice system where you get done to you whatever crime you commited. Unfortunately a lot of dudes would probably go around raping women so that they could get “punished” for their crime.