I don’t believe I’m “oblivious” to current era media/pop culture icons and trends; that being said I prefer not to follow social media advents or youth trends as most tend to be comprised of superficial bullshit instilling unhealthy narratives and behavioural foundations.
Question is, why are you so well versed on this? What’s white knighting? What’s the blue pill? Is this the matrix?
Surely I can’t be the only one who has no idea what the majority of this shit is. I’ve come across TRP a few times on Reddit. To me it seemed as if the community was rifle with incels, those who were comfortable manipulating others for personal gratification and misguided kids.
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Is this to imply those who think otherwise aren’t grounded in reality? Not all are fortunate enough to be able to create a family/bear a child. What’s more, some simply aren’t interested in doing so. The latter may be a minority, though I wouldn’t disregard their philosophical outlook as irrational and unsound merely because they don’t agree with you.
That’s right, financial stability is for losers. True independence = living on the street without a stable source of income, food or access to healthcare. Didn’t you know women are super into guys who can’t hold down a job?
It sounds to me like you are more of the opinions that are later out in “hard times create strong men”, if you haven’t read it, I highly recommend it. He’s also against PUA and adultery but still sees the problems the red pill points to.
I yesterday saw a video of these two guys aba and preach on youtube on the redpill, they basically say “I’m not agreeing with them but it’s important that men have an outlet and that somebody takes their problems serious and addresses them”.
I think that’s quite fitting. TRP points to many problems in the culture which if you are oblivious to them, you’ll really live a much harder life. For example: I would like to marry, but I’m not oblivious to the fact that it’s a shitty deal for men. Hadn’t it been for the red pill, I would have never known how shitty. So now if I marry, I’ll make an informed decision and I take a big risk which I know is there.
Also my personal opinion on TRP is, that it is popular because of one message, which is lacking everywhere: Be a man and invest in yourself first
Also in my opinion and what I’ve experienced even way before I read TRP stuff, the compounded experiences on there describe the nature of women right on the money. Yes, these descriptions can be used for manipulation but TRP doesn’t advocate for that. They advocate for knowing the facts on the ground and then bettering yourself until you can handle women, life, money. In my opinion it provides informed decision making to men.
Yes they do that but just to be fair, there’s whole sections, articles and subthreads about LTRs
Yes, exactly. Actually the book that I consider the best on the nature of women was banned from Amazon. Unfortunately I cannot mention its name here. And it wasn’t written by a PUA or male chauvinist. It was written by a level-headed university philosophy professor. There’s one TRP guy who considers it mandatory reading for men.
I am not grounded in reality or unique or better than the next man because I have a family. I will perhaps comment further later only if others don’t mind me detailing the thread.
If you don’t mind, could you link me to one of your threads about this topic? I’m interested in reading it.
I think this thread is actually one of the more important ones for people with DecaDick as some from years ago do reply here. So derailing it like I and mnben did a few weeks ago is not so good, I think.
So… Where exactly does Amazon draw the line? I can find erotica detailing incestual relations and bestiality on Amazon through a quick search; but a book about gender theory (flawed or not) is too far?
Of course one can mention any books they want on here. That one I won’t for the specific reason of possiblyhaving to deal with white knighting and false statements about me.
My identity is known here and I’ve met several people here, including one who is one of my closest friends for the past decade. Another close friend of 20 years briefly posted here. I must avoid potential for libel, especially considering I work in healthcare with nearly all women.
One thread in which it was discussed was the Religious Catch All thread.
@unreal24278 Finally my interest stems from my own experience growing up in matriarchal conditions (single mother household, negligent father, public school system with nearly all female teachers), around promiscuity at young a very young age, around perverted teenagers (including ones who were sexually abusive to girls as young as 14 years old), around unrestrained hypergamy, early exposure to pornography, and so on. Pretty much all that the sexual revolution brought on. This experience lead to my own admitted arrested development. So you can consider it a lingering morbid curiosity on the subject.
I’ve learned not to expose my own vulnerability here. I tried that a few times because mistakenly thought ALL here are respectful and considerate but that isn’t the case. A tiny minority of men here enjoy punching down. Although I can take it considering it’s online, it’s damn rude, and to a degree, sadistic.
There’s a reason why I had so much success with younger women over the last six years. Guys in the demographic of those young ladies are either total simps or they’re Red Pilled jerks. Being a normal dude who reads books, appreciates various arts, and who stays in shape was like being a unicorn in the land of girls in their early 20’s. I get asked on a monthly basis how I managed to land such a beautiful wife who’s 15 years my junior and the answer is always “because I’m funny and not insane”. The bar really is that low.
No, likely the answer is because guys your age range are generally out of shape and simps, while normally that is the prime of a man. You are mid thirties (older) and in shape that’s very attractive, more so than guys her age.
Also, men in their 30s have seen and heard all the BS from women and see through it, you just handle them better than when you were 18. That’s also attractive. If you then got humor, it kills. Humor + Being a Man is what women just can’t resist.
But you are also right, that there’s so many simps walking around that just being normal manly now sets you apart.
We admittedly don’t see eye to eye regarding quite a few topics. Though I respect your ability to hold your own and stand out of the crowd. Most seem to cater towards herd mentality, absorbing everything as is without question; conforming towards sociocultural norms tends to attract less undue attention. You seem to think outside of the box and I think it’s awesome when people can think for themselves. You might be surprised as to how rare that is in this day and age.
Granted this belief of mine goes right out the window when referring to white supremacy/Nazism and the likes. Unreal24278 likes critical thinking, not blanket hatred.
Admittedly I’m not well versed on TRP and the conveyed philosophical outlook behind it. Perhaps there is some substance behind the origins of the red pill (what’s the blue pill?). From what I could ascertain from stumbling upon the subthreddit back in the day it appeared to be filled with those who outright hold women in contempt, frequently abiding by misogynistic ideals. Many were outright incels, others were totally okay with cheating on their partners, spouses and the likes. I’m not one to regulate the behaviour of others, and generally speaking I don’t believe in doing so unless consequences associated with an action are dire. Perhaps the origins are of good intent, as I’ve stated I’m not educated on TRP/TBP; but the community that resided within TRP (from what I could see) wasn’t a happy, healthy one; it was an angry, angst ridden, manipulative clusterfuck.
The initial commenter above that sparked this discussion is a prime example re the kind of individual I would expect to reside on TRP subthreddit “I cheat on all my girlfriends”. To ME, this kind of behaviour either indicatives a lack of moral fibre, immaturity or a complete and total lack of remorse/regard for the feelings of others.
TRP seems to blankly categorise all women as being of a certain nature; adhering to the notion perhaps we are strictly driven by primitive biology. PERHAPS there is some merit towards the latter. We are all driven by primitive biology… reproduce/pass on our genes, rise to the top of the societal ladder etc. Though through modern societal constructs the more “animalistic” aspects of humanity have been somewhat quelled as norms and appropriations exist regarding what constitutes acceptable public conduct.
I don’t think TRP should’ve been banned, I think banning subthreddits that don’t directly incite violence/terrorism is a slippery slope towards “we don’t like this, we have an agenda therefore we will ban anything that doesn’t abide by our ideals”. But yes, when I said “but reddit banned it” I meant to infer I believe a large portion of the community was/is toxic.
“Toxic” is a buzzword. If it isn’t inciting violence or rape (in the sense that somebody outright says “go and do violence”), there’s no reason to bann. Especially since all kinds of perverse shit stays up. It’s narrative driven. Any critique of women seems to be off limits.
My critique of you was that you are
but seemed to be very very happy that these mean men are banned from interacting on Reddit because some authority said so while also claiming to think for yourself instead of listening to an authority.
Now you reversed yourself, so alright, then there’s no hypocrisy.
That’s why they are there, because they are involuntary celibate. They don’t get none and they don’t know why. TRP tells them why in a harsh way: they are losers. They look like shit, they don’t know how to talk to women, their self-esteem is low and they bend over backwards just to get some attention from a girl. It then gives them the tools to better themselves and then eventually get women. Beware: it doesn’t give them the tools to get women right away, that’s PUA, no, it gives the tools to become what women want and what men want to be. It’s a very valuable thing to have for men. If your father doesn’t teach you how to be a man, then you got a place to go. You gotta learn what to do with this tool afterwards but that’s just growing up.
To @BrickHead, one of the writers in the “manosphere” is known for the sentence “you first have to be good at being a man before you can be a good man”. Jordan Peterson says something very similar in some of his talks, as well as many other people. I just think it’s short and catchy this way. TRP focuses on the first part and the second often falls by the wayside because they frankly don’t care about the second.
The primary reason for mass inceldom is unrestrained hypergamy. Prior to the sexual revolution, which is still here and has drastically intensified in the last two decades, marriage was available to most men. Because family life was valued and encouraged, people married much younger, and expectations on men were more stringent but more realistic. That is, a man had to prove he was an earner and committed, and needed the daughter’s father’s approval to get married.
So… good looking men of large means paired up with good looking women. Ordinary men paired up with ordinary women. And the more homely and poor paired up as well.
But, but, the sexual revolution gave people the idea that ordinary dudes could have “a stable”, and that most women could have a rich, powerful, handsome man (hypergamy unrestrained). But an attractive man can only marry one woman in the West and only “date” a few at a time. And ordinary men don’t get a quasi-harem. That situation left increasingly more men through the years having no one.
Other factors of the revolution matter too:
mass movement of women into the workforce, lowering the wage for many men
mass consumerism
pornography (what I consider one of the most Satanic products of all time)
social media
abortion
contraception
ever-changing fashions, behaviors, and attitudes that many men don’t have the inclination for (eg, “I want a man who’s funny, “men need to improve themselves”)
the fatherless crisis and broken homes (one in four homes have no dad around)
no-fault divorce (which in name itself is unjust)
a gynocentric court system
a quasi soft polygamy (attractive men hogging several women, in many cases not marrying them)
deindustrialization
I have discussed this at length in other threads and although I like the topic, likely won’t do it again because of straw-manning leading to senseless conversations about evil mustache men and the treatment of women Middle East. At this point I don’t care if others think I’m delusional on the topic. They can stand on their head and talk until they’re blue in the face. I believe I call it as I see it. Of course this conversation can go on and on considering entire books have been written on it, including by academics. So I guess I’m left talking about the subject with people who agree with me or talk without straw-Manning.
Thanks for providing a longer version of what I would have written. I don’t like getting into these discussions here normally; some things just had to be said here. I agree 100% with every single thing in this post, I don’t think there is actually much to debate about in it. Most people are just set off by how mean the world is and how unjust and can’t handle this, but that’s how it is. I think a good point against this was made by someone I read a while ago, he basically said “marriage wasn’t that good a deal for men before the 60s otherwise they wouldn’t have let other men and women destroy it”. I don’t know what to make of that.
I think TRP could prevent the complete downfall of stable society as it would provide average men with the skill set to get average women again (who are average but perceive themselves top notch because of all the attention they get on social media. Instagram is basically pornography for women and on par with the damage done through pornography to men) but then TRP would have to change its mentality from “we can’t prevent the downfall and try to make the best of it” to “we’ll try to prevent what we think is inevitable”. The family unit gets destroyed more and more and it will destroy the west if it goes on.
Children out of wedlock increases since the 60s are atrocious in every community.
This is an inevitable result of an unregulated “sexual market”, as well as polygamous society: enormous resentment, alienation, and jealousy amongst the population.
Actually any critique will have you wind up in a stupid conversation with straw-manning about the Middle East and burkas and lack of gender parity in the C-suite. It’s strange as all hell and sad that men cannot discuss such important matters without these shenanigans.
