[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]StevenF wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
but IMO the major assault on our freedoms have come from private enterprise , Employers and Financial institutions
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I am also curious what brings you to this conclusion. [/quote]
Mary Jane.[/quote]
Oh the wisdumb :)[/quote]
Just as a figured. You either can’t or won’t expand on your statement with a thought out responce beyond the original.
Oil over wind or solar (Oil has been getting subsidies since Jesus) . Private Insurance benefiting from mandate to buy Insurance (Rather than Socialized MED) . Credit checks controlling everything from employment to Auto Ins. rates (Easier to fuck poor people) Drug Testing (not a test to tell if you are impaired but if you have done drugs in the past month)
The whole war on drugs benefiting Prison Industries , Cops , the whole Legal System . Choosing the lumber and cotton industries over hemp.
These are just off the top of my head and I am sure they will be demagogued to death . I would be willing to bet some one has written a book or two on this subject
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Oil over wind or solar (Oil has been getting subsidies since Jesus) .[/quote]
How is the fact that our government gives subsidies to an oil company an example of “private enterprise” “assulting” a citizens’ freedom?
How is the government forcing people to spend their money in a certain way an example of “private enterprise” “assulting” a citizen’s freedom?
I’ve never had my credit ran for either of these…
But again, how does this make you any less free to not own a car, move to a state that doesn’t require insurance or work for someone that doesn’t run your credit? (Of which there are many.)
How does this “assult” your freedom?
How does the government’s war on drugs become an example of “private enterprise” “assulting” a citizen’s freedom?
I don’t know how I ignored the 800 lbs gorilla the Military
You know beans if I have to explain this shit to you . Then you are truly a dolt . I do not have time to tell you shit you should already know
Demagoguery at it’s best
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Demagoguery at it’s best [/quote]
What? You calling me names because you can’t back up your assertions with logical arguements?
Instead you try and pretend you understand the world so much better and anyone that isn’t on board with you isn’t worth the time for you to back up what you have said as true with any sort of logical justification?
Point being, you can’t even answer my questions, can you?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You know beans if I have to explain this shit to you . Then you are truly a dolt . I do not have time to tell you shit you should already know[/quote]
If knowing the difference between a government and private enterprise makes me a dolt, then so be it.
Strong position by the way. You bash ZEB for name calling all the time, when you offer little else.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You know beans if I have to explain this shit to you . Then you are truly a dolt . I do not have time to tell you shit you should already know[/quote]
If knowing the difference between a government and private enterprise makes me a dolt, then so be it.
Strong position by the way. You bash ZEB for name calling all the time, when you offer little else.[/quote]
I don’t bash any one for name calling .
I know it is your and the Circle Jerk Society’s MO to Demagogue a post by asking all the nuts and bolts . And then to ask the metallurgical make up of said nuts and bolts , Rather than communicate like big people 
They claimed they would detonate an explosive device in a federal building back in November and didn’t follow through on it, probably because it’s easier to talk about it then face the consequences of backing it up. They also sided with Hamas in November during their conflict with Israel and they talked a big game then too, they even attacked Israeli sites. Personally, I don’t think much of them. I hope Israel gives them some special attention if they haven’t already.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You know beans if I have to explain this shit to you . Then you are truly a dolt . I do not have time to tell you shit you should already know[/quote]
If knowing the difference between a government and private enterprise makes me a dolt, then so be it.
Strong position by the way. You bash ZEB for name calling all the time, when you offer little else.[/quote]
I don’t bash any one for name calling .
I know it is your and the Circle Jerk Society’s MO to Demagogue a post by asking all the nuts and bolts . And then to ask the metallurgical make up of said nuts and bolts , Rather than communicate like big people
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Are you serious with this? You can’t be.
Me asking you to clarify your statement isn’t communicating “like big people”. But you calling me a dolt is?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You know beans if I have to explain this shit to you . Then you are truly a dolt . I do not have time to tell you shit you should already know[/quote]
If knowing the difference between a government and private enterprise makes me a dolt, then so be it.
Strong position by the way. You bash ZEB for name calling all the time, when you offer little else.[/quote]
I don’t bash any one for name calling .
I know it is your and the Circle Jerk Society’s MO to Demagogue a post by asking all the nuts and bolts . And then to ask the metallurgical make up of said nuts and bolts , Rather than communicate like big people
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Are you serious with this? You can’t be.
Me asking you to clarify your statement isn’t communicating “like big people”. But you calling me a dolt is?
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Asking me to tell you why using a credit report to determine an Insurance rate is not talking like big people
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I know it is your and the Circle Jerk Society’s MO to Demagogue a post by asking all the nuts and bolts . And then to ask the metallurgical make up of said nuts and bolts , Rather than communicate like big people
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RE: communicating like big people
“Big people” can actually think. Therefor giving details behind why they say/think what they do is easy and answering simple questions isn’t some laborous task, when all they ask is for the speaker to go into the detail of why they say/think what they do.
If a bunch of government spending & silly government “wars” is your only example as to how “private enterprise assults” a citizens freedom, then so be it. But don’t pretend you are the one actually having a “big people” conversation. PArticularly seeing as your only rebuttle is to call me names and talk about ME and not the substance of my posts.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You know beans if I have to explain this shit to you . Then you are truly a dolt . I do not have time to tell you shit you should already know[/quote]
If knowing the difference between a government and private enterprise makes me a dolt, then so be it.
Strong position by the way. You bash ZEB for name calling all the time, when you offer little else.[/quote]
I don’t bash any one for name calling .
I know it is your and the Circle Jerk Society’s MO to Demagogue a post by asking all the nuts and bolts . And then to ask the metallurgical make up of said nuts and bolts , Rather than communicate like big people
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Are you serious with this? You can’t be.
Me asking you to clarify your statement isn’t communicating “like big people”. But you calling me a dolt is?
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Asking me to tell you why using a credit report to determine an Insurance rate is not talking like big people
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Do you have to own a car?
Is owning a car a right?
Both answers are no. So therefore you are free to not have your credit ran. But if you want to own a car and put it on the road in most states, you may be subject to certain tests. Tests insurance companies use to determine if you will actually pay them in the even you have to, based on your past payment history with others.
Still don’t see any freedom’s being assulted.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Do you have to own a car?
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Ye I own 3 cars and yes it is my right
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I do not get you , if it makes me happy to own 100 cars it is my right
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So therefore you are free to not have your credit ran. [/quote]
I get it if I am borrowing money from you you have the right to run my credit . IF I am buying auto Insurance the rates should be determined the same for rich as poor , by driving record . Maybe I was wrong maybe you are a dolt
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
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I do not get you , if it makes me happy to own 100 cars it is my right [/quote]
Ignoring natural rights v neo-liberal rights for the sake of argument, two things:
You can’t put them on the road, which is a privlidge, without being subject to certain rules. If those rules require a credit check by an insurance company, you choose to put the car on the road, your freedom wasn’t assulted, you choose to be subject to that test.
While you are trying to avoid my initial questions of your assertions, please note it hasn’t gone unnoticed.
EDIT: Fair enough on the right to own, I should clarify the statement to be “right ot drive on the road”.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
So therefore you are free to not have your credit ran. [/quote]
I get it if I am borrowing money from you you have the right to run my credit . IF I am buying auto Insurance the rates should be determined the same for rich as poor , by driving record . Maybe I was wrong maybe you are a dolt
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Rich and poor has no bearing what-so-ever on credit score. I know “poor” people with credit scores in the mid 700’s and “rich” people that would be excited to break 625.
Again with the name calling.
But still this has not, for one second, shown how having your credit ran for insurance is an assult on your freedom. This is faux-class warfare.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You know beans if I have to explain this shit to you . Then you are truly a dolt . I do not have time to tell you shit you should already know[/quote]
If knowing the difference between a government and private enterprise makes me a dolt, then so be it.
Strong position by the way. You bash ZEB for name calling all the time, when you offer little else.[/quote]
I don’t bash any one for name calling .
I know it is your and the Circle Jerk Society’s MO to Demagogue a post by asking all the nuts and bolts . And then to ask the metallurgical make up of said nuts and bolts , Rather than communicate like big people
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Are you serious with this? You can’t be.
Me asking you to clarify your statement isn’t communicating “like big people”. But you calling me a dolt is?
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Asking me to tell you why using a credit report to determine an Insurance rate is not talking like big people
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Do you have to own a car?
Is driving a car on public roads a right?
Both answers are no. So therefore you are free to not have your credit ran. But if you want to own a car and put it on the road in most states, you may be subject to certain tests. Tests insurance companies use to determine if you will actually pay them in the even you have to, based on your past payment history with others.
Still don’t see any freedom’s being assulted. [/quote]
Fair enough on your point, I’ve corrected my statement above.