[quote]tothebatcave wrote:
they are not strong, they have no endurance - what do they have? looks, they are measured/judged for their look and there fore a beauty pageant.
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The above is quoted from your previous post. You pretty clearly state “They are not strong”.
I’d say a 2300 lb (or 1043 kilo, you pompous European queen) total is god damn STRONG.
All we were doing is proving you wrong on this point. What does their style of training matter? Strong is Strong is Strong.
[quote]tothebatcave wrote:
bodybuilding does not contribute to strenght.[/quote]
Lou Ferrigno never trained for anything but bodybuilding, and his training style was aligned thusly. I recall watching him in Pumping Iron curling 100lb dumbells like they were beer cans. I’m sure none of that strength came from weight training, he was just born with it.
[quote]tothebatcave wrote:
you find that likely, isnt that the place where the fetish endorsing people go? id like to see you reason that bb is about performance, its not athletic and its not functional. in most cases people dope to be better at their sport, but behind bodybuilding there is no sport - just doping.
they are not strong, they have no endurance - what do they have? looks, they are measured/judged for their look and there fore a beauty pageant.
and no i train in the heart of weightlifting in my country, in E-europe beauty pageants are for those who are too weak for weightlifting[/quote]
Why are you so negative and feel the need to bash bodybuilding. You must have some sort of insecurity issues about yourself.
it is so much more than just looks, its a lot lot deeper than that, but you only see the surface, and I feel sorry for you. I could sit here and stereotype powerlifters all day, but that’s just stupid. We are all brothers of iron.
Powerlifters focus on numbers, so if bodybuilding is a padgeant, then powerlifting must be full of accountants?? Right? Right??
“What does their style of training matter?”
well that is actually the debate, if bodybuilding is any good for strength - and i say it is a poor method…
eatliftsleep, i feel the need for bashing because i dont believe it is deep. of course people can love what they do and enjoy their training but in the end of the day it still really is about “looking good”. i am not insecure but i fear for others who are, especially young men, they jump on drugs to attain a “desired” look that is obtained by punishing your body. this sport is a big healthcare issue and a cause for many untimely deaths. i watch junior fitness competetors and bodybuilders and pity them for they do not have a bright future, they will pay the price, suffer and then wonder if it was worth it? a couple of awards, few photographs of them muscular but what is truly left?
and by all means stereotype powerlifters, im not one and i have limited respect for their sport 
(i dont like shallow squats and equipment) and you are right, powerlifting is all about numbers. they dont ask each other if they have become stronger only if they can lift heavier, no matter by what means they did it.
i am/was a weightlifter like i said above, unlike powerlifting it matters not what you can partially squat or make a lift of some minimum depth motion. There are no excuses for strength, no equipment will help you and the bar will fall on you if you are not strong enough to control it - the numbers dont really tell much if they arent “true”, for example if you dont truly back up a triple bodyweight backsquat then you can forget about catching a double bodyweight clean… it is about the force you can exert and how powerful you really are.
(as you are now aware, i am a big weightlifting supremacist)
sports are not fair, not at all. genetics rule, but you still need talent. but talent alone can only get you so far… So in the case of sports, a talented person could challenge a genetic freak, but what talent does bb require? If it is looks that you are judged by, then genetics decide the results and that is final. everyone can dope, but it is clear that the genetic freak who dopes equally to all the others will win.
I really couldn’t care less what the fuck you think, you’re just a negative person with a shit attitude, even if I didn’t win one competition it would still be worth it to me, because there is so much more to it
what it comes down to is pushing the limits, be it pling bbing, sports, whatever. All one common goal, to be the best and push the limits of yourself.
[quote]tothebatcave wrote:
orly - quote me on the natty part - i said no such thing. being drug tested and passing a test doesnt make you clean, but it limits your drug options. please stop using that primitive measurement and use the international measurement for mass - the kilogram.
and again, stop comparing non drugtested athletes to drugtested athletes.
and still you are moving from the original topic of the debate, bodybuilding does not contribute to strenght.[/quote]
I am American so I will use MY system of measurement when trying to make MY point. Is it too hard for you to divide by 2.2?
You are the one who compared tested competitors to those who are not tested.
You are obviously a very closed minded person. If you are such a weightlifter like you claim you are you would have respect for all of those who lift weights for whatever reason they have.
do anything you like to your self, its your body… but publicity around people that abuse their bodies and they mark a goal for so many youngsters, set the goal for looks - it is not acceptable
and for the third time, weightlifting, have you have never heard of that sport? it is recognised as one of the oldest sports in the world. maybe google will help you, or wikipedia… The current strongest man in the world: Ruslan Albegov is a super heavyweight weightlifter, you have never heard of him?
Please go back to your batcave and stop trying to infect people with your horrible, misguided thought process
Weightlifter dope too, not as much as bodybuilders but still they do. Why is it ok to dope in weightlifting and not in bodybuilding? lol
Bodybuilders are strong, not as strong as people who train primarily for strength but still bodybuilding trains in a reprange which gives you strength. i have never seen big bodybuilders who are not capable of lifting big weights.
yes optics are the primarily goal in bodybuilding, what is wrong with that? how is this better or worse ?
bodybuilders do not train for performance, but to get the looks they have to work physically hard
Bodybuilders work hard, as hard as weightlifters powerlifters or anyone else if not more. Dieting to extremly low bodyfats, weighttraining, cardio , posing well dehydrated and on low bodyfats several rounds etc. etc.
Genetics matter very much in bodybuilding but they also matter in ALL other sports.
Professional bodybuilders probably do not live healthy, but it is their choice and everyone who decides to walk this way.
Original Topic:
Im not sure how the law is in the US, but here in my country possessing steroids is illegal, having them inside your body is not. so someone can say “im on drugs” here.
I don’t think people saying they are using steroids immunizes them from prosecution. It just doesn’t seem to get prosecuted. Which doesn’t prevent a person from getting investigated if they announce steroid use. I would caution against public disclosure of usage. You never know when some high school PTA will make steroids the big issue of a community. In VA the Attorney General election could just as easily had steroid prosecution has a campaign linchpin as anything else.
Whether or not steroids are harmful or not is a very different discussion than their legality.
Batcave, you’re a troll.
[quote]tothebatcave wrote:
do anything you like to your self, its your body… but publicity around people that abuse their bodies and they mark a goal for so many youngsters, set the goal for looks - it is not acceptable
and for the third time, weightlifting, have you have never heard of that sport? it is recognised as one of the oldest sports in the world. maybe google will help you, or wikipedia… The current strongest man in the world: Ruslan Albegov is a super heavyweight weightlifter, you have never heard of him?[/quote]
Yeah I have heard of the sport and Albegov. His 464 kg total at the IWF World Championships is impressive. Unlike you I respect weightlifters just as much as powerlifters and bodybuilders. I just happen to choose looks for the reason I train but I still look up to those who push their body to the limits and I understand what it took to for them to get there (in terms of hard work, dedication, and drugs).
I figured as soon as we got down to the numbers the OP would see that body builders are strong. Example after example has been given and there is still a discussion?
All right OP, your right, everyone else is wrong. I have better things to do then to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
I figured as soon as we got down to the numbers the OP would see that body builders are strong. Example after example has been given and there is still a discussion?
All right OP, your right, everyone else is wrong. I have better things to do then to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.[/quote]
Hey doublelung it was not the OP who started the debate. It was the tothebatcave douche. Don’t want lifter85 to get a bum rap for that.
editing your posts afterwards - nice work
[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:
[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
I figured as soon as we got down to the numbers the OP would see that body builders are strong. Example after example has been given and there is still a discussion?
All right OP, your right, everyone else is wrong. I have better things to do then to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.[/quote]
Hey doublelung it was not the OP who started the debate. It was the tothebatcave douche. Don’t want lifter85 to get a bum rap for that. [/quote]
I stand corrected, thank you. tothebatcave douche; that made me laugh, thanks for that also.
[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:
[quote]doublelung84 wrote:
I figured as soon as we got down to the numbers the OP would see that body builders are strong. Example after example has been given and there is still a discussion?
All right OP, your right, everyone else is wrong. I have better things to do then to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.[/quote]
Hey doublelung it was not the OP who started the debate. It was the tothebatcave douche. Don’t want lifter85 to get a bum rap for that. [/quote]
I stand corrected, thank you. tothebatcave douche; that made me laugh, thanks for that also.
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Douche perfectly describes someone whose username has effectively ruined my feelings for my favorite superhero.
[quote]xboxwarrior wrote:
I don’t think people saying they are using steroids immunizes them from prosecution. It just doesn’t seem to get prosecuted. Which doesn’t prevent a person from getting investigated if they announce steroid use. I would caution against public disclosure of usage. You never know when some high school PTA will make steroids the big issue of a community. In VA the Attorney General election could just as easily had steroid prosecution has a campaign linchpin as anything else.
Whether or not steroids are harmful or not is a very different discussion than their legality.
Batcave, you’re a troll.[/quote]
OP this^^^^^^^^^^ is the answer you are looking for
State licensing boards, bar associations, government background checks, while not likely to result in an issue for a poster who “announces” could have serious repercussions if it was uncovered and if someone wanted to make a big deal of it
[quote]tothebatcave wrote:
“What does their style of training matter?”
well that is actually the debate, if bodybuilding is any good for strength - and i say it is a poor method…
eatliftsleep, i feel the need for bashing because i dont believe it is deep. of course people can love what they do and enjoy their training but in the end of the day it still really is about “looking good”. i am not insecure but i fear for others who are, especially young men, they jump on drugs to attain a “desired” look that is obtained by punishing your body. this sport is a big healthcare issue and a cause for many untimely deaths. i watch junior fitness competetors and bodybuilders and pity them for they do not have a bright future, they will pay the price, suffer and then wonder if it was worth it? a couple of awards, few photographs of them muscular but what is truly left?
and by all means stereotype powerlifters, im not one and i have limited respect for their sport (i dont like shallow squats and equipment) and you are right, powerlifting is all about numbers. they dont ask each other if they have become stronger only if they can lift heavier, no matter by what means they did it.
i am/was a weightlifter like i said above, unlike powerlifting it matters not what you can partially squat or make a lift of some minimum depth motion. There are no excuses for strength, no equipment will help you and the bar will fall on you if you are not strong enough to control it - the numbers dont really tell much if they arent “true”, for example if you dont truly back up a triple bodyweight backsquat then you can forget about catching a double bodyweight clean… it is about the force you can exert and how powerful you really are.
(as you are now aware, i am a big weightlifting supremacist)
sports are not fair, not at all. genetics rule, but you still need talent. but talent alone can only get you so far… So in the case of sports, a talented person could challenge a genetic freak, but what talent does bb require? If it is looks that you are judged by, then genetics decide the results and that is final. everyone can dope, but it is clear that the genetic freak who dopes equally to all the others will win.[/quote]
By the same token by which you argue weightlifting is superior, I could just as easily argue that it’s a shit sport in comparison to strongman. Who would you call if you needed some amazing real-life (i.e. outside of the gym, the only place strength really matters) feat of strength performed, Zydrunas Savickas or Hossein Rezazadeh? I know who I’d pick. Clearly strongman is the purest strength sport.
But really, arguments can be made for any sport being the “best”. Look at the attitude of many Crossfitters. What you don’t see is that you’re being just as shortsighted as they are. I think the truth is that, though we all have our biases and preferences, no one sport is “better” than another, they’re just different. Do what you want, and I’ll do what I want.
The bottom line is, I really don’t know where the fuck you get off judging that function is more important than aesthetics. I won’t lie, I’m a performance guy all the way, but the difference is that I don’t give a flying fuck why someone else is using. Doping is doping is doping. If you make a mature, carefully thought out decision that you need to use (for whatever reason!), and use in a harm-reducing and generally responsible way, I’m not one to judge.