Animal Lovers

Off Topic
101

[quote]talon2nr7588 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]Stern wrote:
Ooh interesting debate.

For clarification Vicomte, and let’s just remove the cute doggy from the scenario for the moment and focus on the deer, are you suggesting that the following two hunters are fundamentally the same?

Hunter Bill who goes out with his son and waits/stalks patiently before getting a clean kill whereupon, with pride, they return home; gut, skin and share their bounty across the dinner table with the rest of the family.

Hunter Dave who goes out with his son and waits/stalks patiently before purposefully shooting a deer in the ass and then tracking it to the spot where it lies lamed. There they poke it with sharp sticks till it’s bleeding profusely and before it’s dead they hang it from a tree and watch as the life ebbs out of it’s twitching body. Proud, they return home empty handed and show pictures to their mates of their handiwork.

One of the above hunters is following a primal tradition that some would argue played a major role in the evolution of our species. The other is doing nothing of the sort.

It’s all about motive. The hunter who hunts for food, the sadist who goes out to cause suffering just for the sake of suffering and the merciful who puts down an animal who is surely suffering are all entirely different entities. I would say the differences here are hardly arbitrary.

[/quote]

I already ran this thing out in the other animal thread, so I’ll keep this brief.

We’re talking about torturing versus killing an animal, not torturing/killing versus killing.

Now, while their may be differences in the motives of the humans in question, to the deer, motive is completely irrelevant. The deer is having a fucked day no matter what.

Ignoring the motives (which, again, have absolutely no relevance to the deer), I’m saying killing is worse than torture that does not result in death, as they are both unnecessary in this modern day and age. Difference being hunting is considered socially acceptable, whereas torture is not. Either way, still fucking sucks for the deer.

Does that make sense? I really don’t have the energy.[/quote]

Hunting is socially acceptable cause of the mistaken belief that humans are superior to animals. its not socially acceptable to me and never will be. its murder, simple as that. [/quote]

do you eat meat?
[/quote]

ON rare occasions i do. yes, Im a miserable human, and im a hyprocrit. I admit it. But, whether or not i choose to eat meat, will have little effect on the meat industry. While I realize there maybe good reasons to hunt, I still hate the fact that a beautiful animal is being killed.

102

you are a hypocrite, you make claims of this that and the other thing and then try to cover all your bases…fascinating.

103

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Hodge_Podge18 wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]Hodge_Podge18 wrote:

What the fuck is wrong with us as a species that we maim and murder weaker beings for fun? If I ever saw someone doing something like that to any animal, regardless of whether it’s cute or not, I’d beat them until my fists were raw and I couldn’t lift my arms anymore.

[/quote]

Hypocrisy FTW![/quote]

How is that hypocrisy? I asked how we can be fucked up enough to hurt innocent beings for fun. I also stated that if I saw someone participating in said act of fuckedupness, that I would beat the ever-loving shit out of them. At what point did you decide that I would call this fun?
[/quote]

Good for you brother. Im with you. Those that kill animals for any reason, should be killed themselves. end of story. There is no justification to kill innocent beings. None.[/quote]

You expect so much of your species! Wow.

Do you hold other animals to the same expectations? Is a cougar evil because it kills “innocent creatures” every day? Are the creatures it kills more pure than it because they don’t kill? Personally, I’d say the labelling of “pure and not pure” are completely useless on the topic of food. It’s a much too complicated topic.

Also, you’d probably enjoy yourself and others more if you remembered that humans ARE ANIMALS. They do things that animals do. They’re empathetic, brutal, kill babies, are nurturing and altruistic, think about the future, and are subject to chemical impulses they aren’t entirely (if at all) aware of. It makes no sense to hold them to a higher standard than you would hold any other highly intelligent animal.

Put another way, it’s suspected by some researchers that some whales and dolfins may be more intelligent than humans. Are you also judging them as “murderers” in your mind for killing fish? Why or why not?

104

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Hodge_Podge18 wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]Hodge_Podge18 wrote:

What the fuck is wrong with us as a species that we maim and murder weaker beings for fun? If I ever saw someone doing something like that to any animal, regardless of whether it’s cute or not, I’d beat them until my fists were raw and I couldn’t lift my arms anymore.

[/quote]

Hypocrisy FTW![/quote]

How is that hypocrisy? I asked how we can be fucked up enough to hurt innocent beings for fun. I also stated that if I saw someone participating in said act of fuckedupness, that I would beat the ever-loving shit out of them. At what point did you decide that I would call this fun?
[/quote]

Good for you brother. Im with you. Those that kill animals for any reason, should be killed themselves. end of story. There is no justification to kill innocent beings. None.[/quote]

You expect so much of your species! Wow.

Do you hold other animals to the same expectations? Is a cougar evil because it kills “innocent creatures” every day? Are the creatures it kills more pure than it because they don’t kill? Personally, I’d say the labelling of “pure and not pure” are completely useless on the topic of food. It’s a much too complicated topic.

Also, you’d probably enjoy yourself and others more if you remembered that humans ARE ANIMALS. They do things that animals do. They’re empathetic, brutal, kill babies, are nurturing and altruistic, think about the future, and are subject to chemical impulses they aren’t entirely (if at all) aware of. It makes no sense to hold them to a higher standard than you would hold any other highly intelligent animal.

Put another way, it’s suspected by some researchers that some whales and dolfins may be more intelligent than humans. Are you also judging them as “murderers” in your mind for killing fish? Why or why not?[/quote]

Dolphins gang rape other dolphins for fun.

Just puttin that out thar.

105

[quote]Cal Jones wrote:
Hunting an animal for food is something I can respect, if it’s killed cleanly. We’re descended from hunter gatherers after all. A game animal has a better life than most farm animals and the meat quality is usually a lot better too.

What I can’t abide is people torturing animals for “fun”. We’ve had some horrible cases in the UK recently - kittens in microwaves, kids vandalising parks and killing wildlife there and that sort of thing. I’d take a flamethrower to the lot of 'em. [/quote]

X2

Torture is any harm or pain inflicted that isn’t part of the normal hunting process… although some people want to eliminate hunting due to the possibility of having to track an injured suffering animal.
I’m also averse to the corporate “meat factory” process as well. Not only for the well-being of the beast, but because no animal in such conditions can produce healthy products for MY consumption.

106

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Hodge_Podge18 wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]Hodge_Podge18 wrote:

What the fuck is wrong with us as a species that we maim and murder weaker beings for fun? If I ever saw someone doing something like that to any animal, regardless of whether it’s cute or not, I’d beat them until my fists were raw and I couldn’t lift my arms anymore.

[/quote]

Hypocrisy FTW![/quote]

How is that hypocrisy? I asked how we can be fucked up enough to hurt innocent beings for fun. I also stated that if I saw someone participating in said act of fuckedupness, that I would beat the ever-loving shit out of them. At what point did you decide that I would call this fun?
[/quote]

Good for you brother. Im with you. Those that kill animals for any reason, should be killed themselves. end of story. There is no justification to kill innocent beings. None.[/quote]

You expect so much of your species! Wow.

Do you hold other animals to the same expectations? Is a cougar evil because it kills “innocent creatures” every day? Are the creatures it kills more pure than it because they don’t kill? Personally, I’d say the labelling of “pure and not pure” are completely useless on the topic of food. It’s a much too complicated topic.

Also, you’d probably enjoy yourself and others more if you remembered that humans ARE ANIMALS. They do things that animals do. They’re empathetic, brutal, kill babies, are nurturing and altruistic, think about the future, and are subject to chemical impulses they aren’t entirely (if at all) aware of. It makes no sense to hold them to a higher standard than you would hold any other highly intelligent animal.

Put another way, it’s suspected by some researchers that some whales and dolfins may be more intelligent than humans. Are you also judging them as “murderers” in your mind for killing fish? Why or why not?[/quote]

an animal can’t stroll to the nearest supermarket and buy food, now can they? They have to kill to survive. Thats nature. But humans have many other sources of food besides animal meat. Everything an animal does is pure instinct.

107

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Hodge_Podge18 wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]Hodge_Podge18 wrote:

What the fuck is wrong with us as a species that we maim and murder weaker beings for fun? If I ever saw someone doing something like that to any animal, regardless of whether it’s cute or not, I’d beat them until my fists were raw and I couldn’t lift my arms anymore.

[/quote]

Hypocrisy FTW![/quote]

How is that hypocrisy? I asked how we can be fucked up enough to hurt innocent beings for fun. I also stated that if I saw someone participating in said act of fuckedupness, that I would beat the ever-loving shit out of them. At what point did you decide that I would call this fun?
[/quote]

Good for you brother. Im with you. Those that kill animals for any reason, should be killed themselves. end of story. There is no justification to kill innocent beings. None.[/quote]

You expect so much of your species! Wow.

Do you hold other animals to the same expectations? Is a cougar evil because it kills “innocent creatures” every day? Are the creatures it kills more pure than it because they don’t kill? Personally, I’d say the labelling of “pure and not pure” are completely useless on the topic of food. It’s a much too complicated topic.

Also, you’d probably enjoy yourself and others more if you remembered that humans ARE ANIMALS. They do things that animals do. They’re empathetic, brutal, kill babies, are nurturing and altruistic, think about the future, and are subject to chemical impulses they aren’t entirely (if at all) aware of. It makes no sense to hold them to a higher standard than you would hold any other highly intelligent animal.

Put another way, it’s suspected by some researchers that some whales and dolfins may be more intelligent than humans. Are you also judging them as “murderers” in your mind for killing fish? Why or why not?[/quote]

an animal can’t stroll to the nearest supermarket and buy food, now can they? They have to kill to survive. Thats nature. But humans have many other sources of food besides animal meat. Everything an animal does is pure instinct.[/quote]

Pretty sure the gang rape was thought out.

108

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Hodge_Podge18 wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]Hodge_Podge18 wrote:

What the fuck is wrong with us as a species that we maim and murder weaker beings for fun? If I ever saw someone doing something like that to any animal, regardless of whether it’s cute or not, I’d beat them until my fists were raw and I couldn’t lift my arms anymore.

[/quote]

Hypocrisy FTW![/quote]

How is that hypocrisy? I asked how we can be fucked up enough to hurt innocent beings for fun. I also stated that if I saw someone participating in said act of fuckedupness, that I would beat the ever-loving shit out of them. At what point did you decide that I would call this fun?
[/quote]

Good for you brother. Im with you. Those that kill animals for any reason, should be killed themselves. end of story. There is no justification to kill innocent beings. None.[/quote]

You expect so much of your species! Wow.

Do you hold other animals to the same expectations? Is a cougar evil because it kills “innocent creatures” every day? Are the creatures it kills more pure than it because they don’t kill? Personally, I’d say the labelling of “pure and not pure” are completely useless on the topic of food. It’s a much too complicated topic.

Also, you’d probably enjoy yourself and others more if you remembered that humans ARE ANIMALS. They do things that animals do. They’re empathetic, brutal, kill babies, are nurturing and altruistic, think about the future, and are subject to chemical impulses they aren’t entirely (if at all) aware of. It makes no sense to hold them to a higher standard than you would hold any other highly intelligent animal.

Put another way, it’s suspected by some researchers that some whales and dolfins may be more intelligent than humans. Are you also judging them as “murderers” in your mind for killing fish? Why or why not?[/quote]

an animal can’t stroll to the nearest supermarket and buy food, now can they? They have to kill to survive. Thats nature. But humans have many other sources of food besides animal meat. Everything an animal does is pure instinct.[/quote]

Pretty sure the gang rape was thought out.[/quote]
The Dolphin was asking for it.

109

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Hodge_Podge18 wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]Hodge_Podge18 wrote:

What the fuck is wrong with us as a species that we maim and murder weaker beings for fun? If I ever saw someone doing something like that to any animal, regardless of whether it’s cute or not, I’d beat them until my fists were raw and I couldn’t lift my arms anymore.

[/quote]

Hypocrisy FTW![/quote]

How is that hypocrisy? I asked how we can be fucked up enough to hurt innocent beings for fun. I also stated that if I saw someone participating in said act of fuckedupness, that I would beat the ever-loving shit out of them. At what point did you decide that I would call this fun?
[/quote]

Good for you brother. Im with you. Those that kill animals for any reason, should be killed themselves. end of story. There is no justification to kill innocent beings. None.[/quote]

You expect so much of your species! Wow.

Do you hold other animals to the same expectations? Is a cougar evil because it kills “innocent creatures” every day? Are the creatures it kills more pure than it because they don’t kill? Personally, I’d say the labelling of “pure and not pure” are completely useless on the topic of food. It’s a much too complicated topic.

Also, you’d probably enjoy yourself and others more if you remembered that humans ARE ANIMALS. They do things that animals do. They’re empathetic, brutal, kill babies, are nurturing and altruistic, think about the future, and are subject to chemical impulses they aren’t entirely (if at all) aware of. It makes no sense to hold them to a higher standard than you would hold any other highly intelligent animal.

Put another way, it’s suspected by some researchers that some whales and dolfins may be more intelligent than humans. Are you also judging them as “murderers” in your mind for killing fish? Why or why not?[/quote]

an animal can’t stroll to the nearest supermarket and buy food, now can they? They have to kill to survive. Thats nature. But humans have many other sources of food besides animal meat. Everything an animal does is pure instinct.[/quote]

Pretty sure the gang rape was thought out.[/quote]
The Dolphin was asking for it.[/quote]

they are sexy

110

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Hodge_Podge18 wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]Hodge_Podge18 wrote:

What the fuck is wrong with us as a species that we maim and murder weaker beings for fun? If I ever saw someone doing something like that to any animal, regardless of whether it’s cute or not, I’d beat them until my fists were raw and I couldn’t lift my arms anymore.

[/quote]

Hypocrisy FTW![/quote]

How is that hypocrisy? I asked how we can be fucked up enough to hurt innocent beings for fun. I also stated that if I saw someone participating in said act of fuckedupness, that I would beat the ever-loving shit out of them. At what point did you decide that I would call this fun?
[/quote]

Good for you brother. Im with you. Those that kill animals for any reason, should be killed themselves. end of story. There is no justification to kill innocent beings. None.[/quote]

You expect so much of your species! Wow.

Do you hold other animals to the same expectations? Is a cougar evil because it kills “innocent creatures” every day? Are the creatures it kills more pure than it because they don’t kill? Personally, I’d say the labelling of “pure and not pure” are completely useless on the topic of food. It’s a much too complicated topic.

Also, you’d probably enjoy yourself and others more if you remembered that humans ARE ANIMALS. They do things that animals do. They’re empathetic, brutal, kill babies, are nurturing and altruistic, think about the future, and are subject to chemical impulses they aren’t entirely (if at all) aware of. It makes no sense to hold them to a higher standard than you would hold any other highly intelligent animal.

Put another way, it’s suspected by some researchers that some whales and dolfins may be more intelligent than humans. Are you also judging them as “murderers” in your mind for killing fish? Why or why not?[/quote]

an animal can’t stroll to the nearest supermarket and buy food, now can they? They have to kill to survive. Thats nature. But humans have many other sources of food besides animal meat. Everything an animal does is pure instinct.[/quote]

Pretty sure the gang rape was thought out.[/quote]
The Dolphin was asking for it.[/quote]

Dolphins be sluts.

111

On a brighter note…

113

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Ahhhh…this thread has turned into Push’s dream world…The Rogualator engaged by Olee…

I think I’m gonna cum any minute now…please, Olee, smack him around some more…[/quote]

I want to. Instead, I give you my baby “dinasaur”, Kiwi. Good at screaming, an excellent communicator of what direction he wants you to go, and a superb cuddler.

My lips look weird.

116

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Then for some amazing drama imagine El Roguarito putting out “Wanted: Dead” posters on us. And we’d be on the run like Bonnie and Clyde and the Massachusetts quasi-veg would be hunting us all over the land like Elliot Ness and we’d have pro-hunting T-Nationeers putting us up in their basements while we’re on the lam and John Walsh would feature us and we could do stuff for SAMA too…

<<< [giddy][/quote]
I keep seeing ‘Joe Walsh’, instead of ‘John Walsh’.

Oh well… Here’s a Joe Walsh song that is relevant to the topic at hand…

117

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]talon2nr7588 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]Stern wrote:
Ooh interesting debate.

For clarification Vicomte, and let’s just remove the cute doggy from the scenario for the moment and focus on the deer, are you suggesting that the following two hunters are fundamentally the same?

Hunter Bill who goes out with his son and waits/stalks patiently before getting a clean kill whereupon, with pride, they return home; gut, skin and share their bounty across the dinner table with the rest of the family.

Hunter Dave who goes out with his son and waits/stalks patiently before purposefully shooting a deer in the ass and then tracking it to the spot where it lies lamed. There they poke it with sharp sticks till it’s bleeding profusely and before it’s dead they hang it from a tree and watch as the life ebbs out of it’s twitching body. Proud, they return home empty handed and show pictures to their mates of their handiwork.

One of the above hunters is following a primal tradition that some would argue played a major role in the evolution of our species. The other is doing nothing of the sort.

It’s all about motive. The hunter who hunts for food, the sadist who goes out to cause suffering just for the sake of suffering and the merciful who puts down an animal who is surely suffering are all entirely different entities. I would say the differences here are hardly arbitrary.

[/quote]

I already ran this thing out in the other animal thread, so I’ll keep this brief.

We’re talking about torturing versus killing an animal, not torturing/killing versus killing.

Now, while their may be differences in the motives of the humans in question, to the deer, motive is completely irrelevant. The deer is having a fucked day no matter what.

Ignoring the motives (which, again, have absolutely no relevance to the deer), I’m saying killing is worse than torture that does not result in death, as they are both unnecessary in this modern day and age. Difference being hunting is considered socially acceptable, whereas torture is not. Either way, still fucking sucks for the deer.

Does that make sense? I really don’t have the energy.[/quote]

Hunting is socially acceptable cause of the mistaken belief that humans are superior to animals. its not socially acceptable to me and never will be. its murder, simple as that. [/quote]

do you eat meat?
[/quote]

ON rare occasions i do. yes, Im a miserable human, and im a hyprocrit. I admit it. But, whether or not i choose to eat meat, will have little effect on the meat industry. While I realize there maybe good reasons to hunt, I still hate the fact that a beautiful animal is being killed. [/quote]

lol

118

[quote]pushharder wrote:
You live just down the road from me, Olee, in a manner of speaking. One of these days I’ll stop by for a photo shoot and we’ll post up a TN thread with pics of you and me being all chummy and such.

Then we’ll go hunting somewhere and kill some critters, roast their livers on a stick over a campfire, frame the pic and mail to Veggie-except-for-bbq-burgers-Rogue for his birthday.[/quote]

sorry, i don’t believe nor celebrate birthdays.

119

[quote]talon2nr7588 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]talon2nr7588 wrote:

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]Stern wrote:
Ooh interesting debate.

For clarification Vicomte, and let’s just remove the cute doggy from the scenario for the moment and focus on the deer, are you suggesting that the following two hunters are fundamentally the same?

Hunter Bill who goes out with his son and waits/stalks patiently before getting a clean kill whereupon, with pride, they return home; gut, skin and share their bounty across the dinner table with the rest of the family.

Hunter Dave who goes out with his son and waits/stalks patiently before purposefully shooting a deer in the ass and then tracking it to the spot where it lies lamed. There they poke it with sharp sticks till it’s bleeding profusely and before it’s dead they hang it from a tree and watch as the life ebbs out of it’s twitching body. Proud, they return home empty handed and show pictures to their mates of their handiwork.

One of the above hunters is following a primal tradition that some would argue played a major role in the evolution of our species. The other is doing nothing of the sort.

It’s all about motive. The hunter who hunts for food, the sadist who goes out to cause suffering just for the sake of suffering and the merciful who puts down an animal who is surely suffering are all entirely different entities. I would say the differences here are hardly arbitrary.

[/quote]

I already ran this thing out in the other animal thread, so I’ll keep this brief.

We’re talking about torturing versus killing an animal, not torturing/killing versus killing.

Now, while their may be differences in the motives of the humans in question, to the deer, motive is completely irrelevant. The deer is having a fucked day no matter what.

Ignoring the motives (which, again, have absolutely no relevance to the deer), I’m saying killing is worse than torture that does not result in death, as they are both unnecessary in this modern day and age. Difference being hunting is considered socially acceptable, whereas torture is not. Either way, still fucking sucks for the deer.

Does that make sense? I really don’t have the energy.[/quote]

Hunting is socially acceptable cause of the mistaken belief that humans are superior to animals. its not socially acceptable to me and never will be. its murder, simple as that. [/quote]

do you eat meat?
[/quote]

ON rare occasions i do. yes, Im a miserable human, and im a hyprocrit. I admit it. But, whether or not i choose to eat meat, will have little effect on the meat industry. While I realize there maybe good reasons to hunt, I still hate the fact that a beautiful animal is being killed. [/quote]

lol
[/quote]

You can be the most ardent animal rights activist that ever lived, and id bet at some point in thier lives, they ate meat. sometimes, its unavoidable.

120

[quote]roguevampire wrote:

You can be the most ardent animal rights activist that ever lived, and id bet at some point in thier lives, they ate meat. sometimes, its unavoidable. [/quote]