Anderson 'The Jerk' Silva

[quote]drewh wrote:
I don’t care why people are upset over this to be honest I just think it’s funny how bent out of shape people get over a fucking fight. Some asshole on this thread said he lost respect for me as a person and started talking about war and mercenaries. I mean for Christ’s sake guys it’s just a fight, most of you didn’t pay and it’s only 45 dollars for a fight anyways. It’s not like there weren’t any decent fights on the card.[/quote]

I didn’t think it was all that great of card. It was mediocre up until the main event. I thought the Penn Edgar fight was boring. Not sure why, it just did not excite me. Also didn’t even consider that Edgar would have his hand raised after watching the fight. After the 2nd round of the Silva fight it became a waste of money. Terrible match-up. They would have been better finding someone from LHW or HW to fight him 3 rounds. That’s the UFC’s fault. Still would have been better to see a first round knockout than that shit he calls a fight. I almost completely lost interest after the 2nd round.

People that support the sport have every right to criticize. They are the ones buying the product. I am not too worked up other than paying for a card I didn’t feel was worth the price. It’s now up to the UFC to fix this. Either find some competitive fights or stop headlining him. I won’t pay for a card with a Silva headliner unless there are some relevant undercard fights.

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[quote]Amiright wrote:
The way I see it… at least from my perspective… you always go out there to compete and to win… If you make a fool out of the guy or team you do it while still accomplishing something. In lacrosse I can run circles around people all day long but if i don’t score at the end of it… what I’ve done is completely useless and a complete waste of time.

In fighting… if you’re not actively involved in the fight you’re wasting time… Silva wants to be remembered… like rjj or ali… he tried the ali shuffle and got stuffed. He tries to make a mockery of his opponents like rjj but he never actually accomplishes anything in the process.

The only probably I see is that he first of all sucks at showboating… what he does is just not entertaining and looks stupid… and second is that other showboating fighters actually finish the fight in an impressive fashion while showboating… they don’t run around all day long.

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It’s a tad bit harder in mma when your opponent is desperately trying to get the fight to the ground.[/quote]
You don’t think he could have finished the fight at any time?

sure but there is always that risk

[quote]Totenkopf wrote:
You best be trolling.

Pride FC held one of the largest event on Auguest 2002 with Shockwave/Dynamite. The collapse of Pride had NOTHING to do with promotion. If that were the case,Pride would have bought out UFC rather than the other way around. Prides production value were in another orbit compared to UFC. (i know this is merely subjective but I can find plenty of people to agree with me on that) Pride fucked itself when it played with the Yakuza resulting in a termination of a contract by Fuji Tv. No other buissness wanted to touch Pride when ties with Yakuzas were discovered. UFC didnt kill Pride,Pride killed itself.[/quote]

You’re mostly correct…The part you’re not correct on is businesses not wanting to touch Pride because ties to the Yakuza were discovered.

Pretty much all MMA organizations in Japan have ties to the Yakuza, same with the pro wrestling organizations.

Pride’s situation was a little more complicated.

[quote]drewh wrote:
sure but there is always that risk[/quote]
Of course there is always a risk. maybe he should have stayed on the outside of the ring. He could have run around the edges and poked Maia through the cage when he got too close. even less risk doing that. Not much less than running away in cage.

[quote]dhickey wrote:

[quote]drewh wrote:
sure but there is always that risk[/quote]
Of course there is always a risk. maybe he should have stayed on the outside of the ring. He could have run around the edges and poked Maia through the cage when he got too close. even less risk doing that. Not much less than running away in cage.[/quote]

Exactly. Thank you.

Silva’s last 3 mw fights have not even come close to resembling his previous performances. He did a great Kalib Starnes impersonation the last 3 rounds…running away from an inferior opponent. Content to show how many variances of gyrations he could contort his body into instead of simply wrecking his opponent and being done with it, this man has become delusional and acts like a child.

The AS that decimated Chris Leben and destroyed Rich Franklin seems all but gone. What we have now is a man who refuses to engage and he when he actually throws a strike it’s some kind of marginally effective strike, such as a punch to his opponent’s thigh? I really do hope Dana puts him on the undercard.

my issue is that he tried to get Maia to engage the whole time. but he didnt bring the fight to Maia, he wanted Maia to come in so he could counter. so he was clowning on Maia for doing exactly what he was reluctant to do, be the one to engage. also, i think it’s hypocritical to make fun of a fighter for not wanting to walk into his strength when Silva clearly did not want to go to the ground where Maia’s strength is.

Then, when Maia did try to engage late in the fight for the most part Silva would move away. To me, if you are that much better, finish the fight. Like Rogan hasd said, Silva is criticized because he takes no risks when he fights. He was able to easily win the first 3 then coast for 2. Say what you want about GSP not finishing, he still attacks for 5 rounds.

Personally I am not a huge fan of either. I like GSP, think he is a very respectful man and an excellent fighter. I have never liked Silva and that only grew this weekend. He is also a great fighter though. Sucks that it sounds like if he had put on a performance worthy of it they were going to announce GSP-Silva right there. Now we don’t get to see it. Dana has threatened to have Silva fight as a prelim.

I was personally more disturbed by the Gracie v Hughes fight… They were like friendly the whole time, and then Matt just destroyed his leg, helped him up, destroyed it a bunch more times, then finally ended it. I dont like watching fights where guys keep touching gloves every 30 seconds, takes the competitiveness out of it

I’m disappointed in Silva…but I’m not going on a whiny,butt-hurt tirade about him being an “asshole.”

As a fan of the sport itself…I never put all my eggs in one basket anyways. Too much MMA to look forward to instead of sulking about what’s been done. I’ve moved on already…thinking about Shogun/Machida II…and Lawal/Mousasi.

I think most people are even more dramatic about Silva being an asshole because they didn’t get the “icing on their stale cake”…i.e. a main event to make up for the overall mediocrity of UFC 112. But as soon as Silva starts finishing people(whether main event or pre-lims…lol)…the balance to his nutsack will be restored…as most of his biggest critics are most likely his biggest fans.

Another thing,most of you are fans of clowning and disrespect when it ends in a KO/TKO. If that had been the case with Maia…no one would crying about Silva being disrespectful,it would be “oh,shit…did you see what Silva did to Maia?..zzzomg!!”

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[quote]Totenkopf wrote:
You best be trolling.

Pride FC held one of the largest event on Auguest 2002 with Shockwave/Dynamite. The collapse of Pride had NOTHING to do with promotion. If that were the case,Pride would have bought out UFC rather than the other way around. Prides production value were in another orbit compared to UFC. (i know this is merely subjective but I can find plenty of people to agree with me on that) Pride fucked itself when it played with the Yakuza resulting in a termination of a contract by Fuji Tv. No other buissness wanted to touch Pride when ties with Yakuzas were discovered. UFC didnt kill Pride,Pride killed itself.[/quote]

You’re mostly correct…The part you’re not correct on is businesses not wanting to touch Pride because ties to the Yakuza were discovered.

Pretty much all MMA organizations in Japan have ties to the Yakuza, same with the pro wrestling organizations.

Pride’s situation was a little more complicated.

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God damn it, that means i’ll be threatened by yakuza when i move to japan and fight around there? God damn me, i’ll train at Grabaka and Akiyama dojo

[quote]ZEB wrote:
All of us who watched Saturdays UFC 112 extravaganza in Abu Dhabi certainly saw a night to remember. A night where the unexpected was the rule.

Matt Hughes won a striking contest, has this ever happened? BJ Penn lost the title, and at 155 pounds no less. And allegedly one of the best martial artists of all time Anderson Silva proved to the world that he’s not only a complete jerk, but supposedly the greatest striker in mixed marital arts couldn’t put away arguably the worst striker in mma.

He’s in a class by himself they say, no one can touch him they say. He’s like Muhammed Ali was to boxing they say. Hold it right there (Squealing tires sound effect). I watched most of Ali’s fights and while he would occasionally mug for the camera and verbally taunt his opponent, it was usually over and done with in a fairly short period of time. Like a great comedian who knows when it’s time to move on to another joke Ali would always cut the nonsense and get down to business after a few seconds of hamming it up. He would never put on the classless show that Silva did especailly in round 2 of UFC 112.

The constant talking, taunting and squirrely actions by Silva through the fight left most, including usual Silva lacky’s Rogan and Goldberg obviously disgusted by the shenanigans that they were witnessing. It doesn’t take long for one to realize that seriously great fighters who have respect for their art don’t act that way. And even if they did, they certainly don’t get warned by the referee to stop running around in circles. This left many fans, the ones who were chanting “Maia, Maia” repeatedly disenchanted with their former hero. In fact, even the referee who barely held Silva’s arm in the air as he looked away in disgust had had enough of the Anderson Silva show.

Yes Anderson, the whole world knew coming into the fight that you could strike better than Demian Maia, my 16 year old nephew who has been boxing for two years can strike better than Demian Maia. Isn’t the point then to show how fast you can end the fight with your superior striking ability? No, not in Anderson’s world. In Anderson Silva’s world jumping around like a clown and verbally taunting your opponent and basically running away in the later rounds is the best way to show the world that you are the greatest.

He did prove one thing conclusively however. He proved that no matter how good he really is it can be masked in a charade of cartoon antics and show boating unequalled thus far in the UFC. Those who hate Brock Lesnar for his pre and post fight actions (and there’s plenty to hate there) might want to consider replacing their largest hate interest with yet one more clown. One thing I will say for Lesnar, at least when the fight starts he gets down to business and actually gives the fans what they came to see. In Silva’s case while he obviously out struck a hapless Maia (did anyone think he wouldn’t?), he owes the UFC and every serious fan a deep heart felt apology for making a joke out of a title fight.

But not to worry he did accomplish one thing, he earned a new nick name. Instead of Anderson “The Spider” Silva, he should be called Anderson “The Jerk” Silva. Until he climbs back into the Octagon and shows the world what he is actually capable of minus the clowning that’s what he’ll be known as to many of us who watched his disgusting performance. [/quote]

You forgot to mention Dana White left the fight in the 4th round… if you re-watch you’ll notice Silva’s manager Ed Soares puts the belt on him, not Dana.

[quote]madman27409 wrote:
In Japan, I’ve heard, fighters get a yellow card whenever they stall or clown around like Silva did yesterday. Part of their prize money goes to their opponent for every yellow card. I think that sounds pretty fair.

Anyways, Silva danced away most of that fight and then tried to act like Maia was the one who wasn’t bringing it. If it were up to me, I’d cut some of his prize money and give it to Maia for at least attempting to fight. [/quote]

In Pride you got a yellow card and the opponent got $10k I think. 2 reds and you’re done, similar to soccer if I remember right.

[quote]FightorFlight wrote:
I don’t think your looking at it from the view of a fighter. Yes, he’s definately taunting his opponent and he does it in almost every fight. However, when you are as good as silva is i think you have some room to do what you want in the cage, but i also think he uses it as part of his fighting strategy. He trys to bring his opponents out of their game plan and comfort zone by getting in their head and making them frustrated and sometimes wreckless in what they are doing. If he were a lesser fighter this would be stupid and uncalled for, but he has proven that for the time being it wouldnt matter if he whipped his dick out in the cage and smacked someone with it because he just keeps winning. He is a great fighter and this wasnt one of his best fights, but there has been so much talk of him moving weightclasses to go up or down to try take title belts that i wouldnt be surprised if he looked past this fight a little. Not to mention that god only knows why Demian Maia got a chance at the belt in the first place.

P.s. Im not looking forward to him trying to fight GSP. GSP is the definition of how a fighter should act, both in and outside the octogon. Unfortunately i think silva can beat gsp and i want nothing more than gsp to continue to be at the top of the sport. I think he is the type of champion that the UFC needs.
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The UFC has already said Silva has lost his GSP shot for the time being.

[quote]drewh wrote:
And do any of you watch boxing I guess Roy Jones jr. should have been banished from the sport[/quote]

Yes, he should have… seen him fight recently???

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
well, i did not see the fight, but i’d still like to comment on Anderson Silva…

obviously he’s doing whatever he wants with the MW division, but i’m tired of watching him. he’s so afraid of losing, he’s no longer aggressive. and from what i’ve heard, he should’ve been able to KO or TKO Maia at any point from their last fight, but he chose not to…

i think any professional fighter should be always looking to finish the fight, in addition to racking up points with punching combinations, leg kicks, takedowns and submission attempts.

in my opinion, this is where Silva and GSP differ. GSP was aggressive, successfully taking people down and attempting submissions.

fighters are entertainers, regardless whther thy want to admit it, so if they’re no longer entertaining, i don’t want to watch. i guess that’s why i prefer the UFC Fight Night or WEC events…[/quote]

I watched GSP lay an egg against Dan Hardy most of that fight, and GSP seemed to be suffering from the “not fighting to win” bug too. GSP could’ve ended that fight had he not been so intent on submitting Hardy and handed out punishment like he did against Serra or Fitch. In my mind, BJ Penn lost for the same reason. BJ didn’t really move off of the BSN logo the entire fight, and his striking looked very stale. Edgar followed his game plan to a T, but you’ll admit it’s rare for a defending champ in the UFC to lose by decision, let alone such a close one. The only other times I can think of are Couture v Silvia (see my avi for pre-fight locker room pic) and Griffin v Rampage.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Also,Vitor is exactly the type of fighter that plays into Silva’s counter-striking.

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Chael Sonnen (and I hate to say this) has the best shot at winning, followed by Marquardt IMHO. Sonnen could take Silva down as Hendo did, without being as stupid about it. Don’t get me wrong, I would hate to see Sonnen win but I think he’s the answer here… the question is, will the UFC put him in?

I always thought Matt Lindland could’ve beaten Franklin in Franklin’s heyday, but no one really wanted to see Lindland lay on guys for 3 rounds, let alone 5, so he was never granted a shot and moved on… and almost beat Fedor if not for some questionable officiating.

[quote]Totenkopf wrote:

[quote]madman27409 wrote:
In Japan, I’ve heard, fighters get a yellow card whenever they stall or clown around like Silva did yesterday. Part of their prize money goes to their opponent for every yellow card. I think that sounds pretty fair.
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Your referring “Pride FC”. Where the good fighters were and where Anderson had his ass handed to him on a couple occasions.[/quote]

Really? Good fighters like CroCop, Wanderlei, and others who have been less than stellar in the UFC?

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[quote]PMac wrote:
Definitely not qft. When he’s getting paid good money and the fans are paying top dollar for seats and ppv…we expect him to what he’s paid to do…fight. [/quote]
he did fight and won too[/quote]

Stop sucking his dick, you know exactly why people are upset over this.[/quote]
I don’t care why people are upset over this to be honest I just think it’s funny how bent out of shape people get over a fucking fight. Some asshole on this thread said he lost respect for me as a person and started talking about war and mercenaries. I mean for Christ’s sake guys it’s just a fight, most of you didn’t pay and it’s only 45 dollars for a fight anyways. It’s not like there weren’t any decent fights on the card.[/quote]

The person most bent out of shape is you…

[quote]SRT08 wrote:

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Also,Vitor is exactly the type of fighter that plays into Silva’s counter-striking.

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Chael Sonnen (and I hate to say this) has the best shot at winning, followed by Marquardt IMHO. Sonnen could take Silva down as Hendo did, without being as stupid about it. Don’t get me wrong, I would hate to see Sonnen win but I think he’s the answer here… the question is, will the UFC put him in?

I always thought Matt Lindland could’ve beaten Franklin in Franklin’s heyday, but no one really wanted to see Lindland lay on guys for 3 rounds, let alone 5, so he was never granted a shot and moved on… and almost beat Fedor if not for some questionable officiating.[/quote]

True…but the only bad thing about Chael Sonnen is that he likes to lay in people’s guard too much…and is too much of a lay and pray fighter. Pretty much,I think he will take Silva down…but won’t be able to do much from there. I think Silva would submit him.

I still agree that he has better chance than Vitor. And another thing,people think they’re bored of watching Silva as champ…imagine if Sonnen was champ. While Silva chooses not to finish people as of late…Sonnen just has a hard time finishing people.

[quote]SRT08 wrote:

[quote]Totenkopf wrote:

[quote]madman27409 wrote:
In Japan, I’ve heard, fighters get a yellow card whenever they stall or clown around like Silva did yesterday. Part of their prize money goes to their opponent for every yellow card. I think that sounds pretty fair.
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Your referring “Pride FC”. Where the good fighters were and where Anderson had his ass handed to him on a couple occasions.[/quote]

Really? Good fighters like CroCop, Wanderlei, and others who have been less than stellar in the UFC?[/quote]
Pride where Chuck Lidell came and got his ass handed to him by Page who wasn’t even their top fighter at the time.