Totally. Today’s conservatives are trying to conserve the culture that yesteryears progressives help create. That’s how it’s always been. Progressive ideas move culture, conservatives slow the movement by yearning for the culture of old.
If you want to get into the validity of LGBTQ rights, that’s another thread haha.
Surely there is a sweet spot of every endeavor. Beyond which, the returns diminish in comparison to the costs or can only be instituted under the threar of duress.
In the past, if a man chose to emasculate himself, he likely was considered so rare in thought and abnormal in behavior, as to have society deem him a psychological case. It simply is too rare of a condition to be considered normal. That is worldwide and historical.
From that we have ‘progressed’ to your live and let live status of - If he wants to cut off his manhood and take hormones (which his natural body don’t produce sufficiently due to nature), most people still think fruit loop, how sad, digust or something else negative.
So the next progression is what? This must be mandated by law to consider him as a special class, his procedure deserves to be paid by taxpayers, not only is he to be given preference but it is punishable to speak against the act. And lastly, many resources should be marshalled into the suitability and means for youngsters to ‘choose’ this as a lifestyle.
Frankly, we have reached the last paragraph already for this example. And in many other arenas besides.
Your last paragraph is largely an exaggeration and attributing extreme tabloid stories as common.
But I do agree there is a happy medium that is typically found in every era. And, its damn good to be alive now. Better than ever before. Doesn’t mean we should stop trying to chase perfection.
This is a bodybuilding forum so maybe this isn’t the best example.
We can’t even get health insurance from the govt so I doubt it.
I don’t think that has been asked for.
Since when?
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Hormones - so men taking estrogen and progesterone to enhance their desire to become somewhat feminine is the same to you?
Special protection
Payment - see DOD and Medicaid
Speech - also see Norway’s new law
You aren’t really trying very hard, are you?
Forgive me if this isn’t a fair interpretation, but it seems to me that you are advocating that LGBT people shouldn’t have equal rights to everybody else? The articles you posted seem to be about countries pushing equal rights for LGBTs, not that they should have more rights than others outside of LGBT.
I don’t want to pay for gender reassignment on my tax dime, nor do l want to be prosecuted for using words or voicing displeasure with what l consider to be societal failures from a moral standpoint.
But actually, l put out an example to demonstrate my thought that progressives go past the sweet spot. Their desire for equality actually diminishes liberty. You 3 are picking at the example, but not spezking to my thesis whatsoever.
I can agree with much of that. Does federal tax money go towards gender reassignment currently? Can you be prosecuted for voicing displeasure with LGBT, outside of certain circumstances (for instance employment)?
Taking hormones to look like a comic book character could easily be seen by some as a sign of mental illness. And they do this knowing the long term effects.
Good thing we are the USA.
I don’t want to pay for the health care of fat asses who can’t stop eating garbage. I would bet that obesity will cost us more, a lot more, than gender reassignment.
And that is on the table?
This implies they don’t have equality which means they don’t have liberty. Their liberty will cost you yours?
Not entirely accurate. 13th ? Other examples, too.
Point being “progressives” today seem to invent things to fight against. Constantly tilting at windmills must be exhausting. Might explain their constant rage, anger and bitterness though.
You are just arguing to do so.
The world is getting smaller, so legislation occuring elsewhere can both be binding on other counties (EU giving approval re anti trust) and as examples (Canada has national healthcare, why are we so backwards. Let’s do it their way).
I don’t like paying for healthcare for fat asses, smokers, dopers either. Maybe we should go back to a system where you pay the full cost of your poor choices, out of your pocket rather than mine.
I think there’s a spectrum, just that the ones on one extreme are screaming the loudest. The media gets high on it. Right wing youtube bums use them as clickbait and content to rant about.
I would consider myself a “progressive” but more towards the other end of the spectrum.
Think about this. If I were to start a BLM kind of anti-police brutality in the parts of the world you’ve mentioned, would I be unhinged or justified? Now, think about the extreme right wingers in such parts of the world and how they would portray me as.
The reason why the West in general has less police brutality is because of the actions of progressives. But, of course, it’s our responsibility as citizens to call them out when they go too far. Just like the cowards who ran away after starting so much shit in Hongkong.
The same Right Wing pundits in US screaming about “freedom for Hong Kong” were still cheering on the unhinged fuckers while people in the country were pissed off at having their lives disrupted day after day for months on end while specifically targeting and destroying even small businesses owned by average China people when no one in their fucking right mind wanted independence other than the extremists.
Now they’re whining about BLM violence.
You see how absurd all this is lol?
The dumb fucks could have backed down after China withdrew the extradition bill. It would have been a REAL victory because this would be the first time in modern day history the CCP has ever backed down to public pressure.
But no, they had to push it even further and the dumb fucks in the media and on youtube kept cheering them on as if the US really had their backs. Now they’ve fucked themselves in the ass because by that time (2 months ago) even the general public didn’t care anymore when the CCP passed a new national security law that was like 10 fucking times WORSE than the original bill they were proposing.
Anyway, this is how I see the BLM movement ending up but only in terms of public perception. If the unhinged fuckers can’t be reigned in, it will fail.
Seeing the news outlets here reporting on it, if I didn’t have your perspective I’d possibly believe some complete BS about the situation. I’m sure (well, in this instance anyway) the media didn’t intentionally get it so wrong while reporting but they did so. I’m certain they actually did not understand anything about the dynamics happening locally.
I imagine it is much like the media there reporting on BLM… Out of touch.
From what I’ve seen from the media, I’m making an educated guess that they had reporters at the scene who probably interviewed like 50 people who were pissed off the trains had to stop and they had to WALK TO WORK and chose the 3 dumb fucks who said it was “worth it since they were pro-independence” to feature on TV to construct their narrative. This is how much I distrust the media lol. Seen similar shit with my own eyes. I’m also talking about members of the MSM from the West with local branches in Asia.
The sports aspect is amusing, I couldn’t give a shit about the bathroom topic though.
MTF individuals who have led the first 20 or so years of their lives with testosterone levels 10-20x that of the average female will have a distinct advantage in sport. Not only will leverages be better primed for explosive power output, we have data indicating AAS exposure (including testosterone) permenantly alters myosattelite fell morphology.
It doesn’t matter if you’re on steroidal anti-androgens and estrogen patches, you’ll still have a distinct advantage if you’ve gone through adolescence absent of medical intervention. Similar to how professional bodybuilders tend to still retain some degree of muscularity after they retire/potentially stop exercising. Natural physiology is permenantly altered.
To be fair, transsexuals have been around for a very, very long time. This isn’t a new concept.
19-nortestosterone/derivitaves are classified as progestogens. It’s not the same, but they do have affinity for the PR
Actually plenty of people seem totally oblivious or in denial regarding the long term rammifications associated with hormone use/abuse.
I have seen it on video, which is why I wanted your point of view. Hell, we all saw the McCloskey’s getting their weapons taken away. Due to a rogue prosecutor making false claims and violating these people’s rights. I don’t care how dorky they look or how improperly she held her gun. They were under threat had every right to protect their property with deadly force according the the Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground laws in the state and the police still came and took away their weapons, which by any measure is illegal. They did it anyway.
This guy was well with in his rights to defend his property after a mob gathered outside. They threated his life and property and the police came and arrested him.
No shit. But the police are protecting illegal street art, because the mayor ordered it. My question is when are orders too much.
I understand this:
But you gotta admit there is fuckery afoot, when the police are ordered to do things that any normal person can see is illegal on it’s face and they just do it without question, or so it seems.
Hence, this is why I asked you about the ‘temperature’, the feelings and notions police are typically feeling in this hyper polarized environment.
I am not saying it’s rampant, but there is enough for me to question if the police are just going to follow orders no matter what, or do they have some larger obligation to the letter of the law, rather than the partisan opinions of elected leaders who targets a particular set of the population vs. a different set of the population with whom they agree. For example, when the Proud Boy’s went to protest in Portland, the governor and mayor ordered the police to arrest them at the drop of a hat, while having allowed BLM and ANTIFA burn half the damn city down with no repercussions at all.
I am asking, how do cops feel about this and what recourse do they have to push back?
I can see some of the push back. In Chicago, apparently police hardly ever go to the black areas anymore even as crime in those areas sky-rocket. I do not blame them. The people said, “no cops, we hate them” so the police responded by disappearing. I don’t blame them at all. And I realize how delicate taking action is, unless it’s directed at conservative groups. I mean in D.C. they arrested folks praying and singing songs in a park for defying Covid lock-downs, while a few blocks over, there is a violent BLM riot with nary an arrest.
This is why I said, your are probably the most important person on these here forums. You are on the front lines, you see it and deal with it with your own two hands. I just want to know how law enforcement feels about these types of issues and if you can predict how the police will react if ordered to come down hard on one group while allowing another to be unmolested no matter what they do.
If you could give me a sense of what is the thinking in the locker room of the police station, I can either have some hope or become more despaired. You are the line between the politicians, the actual law and the people. I know your political views, for the most part as they align with mine. But, I am rightly worried about actions taken when talking about the police being used as the sledge-hammer to enforce unconstitutional edicts.
That’s now how things work. You don’t base a legal decision on op eds or twitter videos.
What people? The politicians and activists who don’t live there?
Of course idiot pat leaves out Trump ordering protesters be gassed so he could take a picture.
What pat has said is that the violence against the police is not an issue, it’s the reason why.
Pat is saying If you are violent and support blm it’s an issue, if you are violent in supporting your interpretation of 2A then it’s fine.
It’s just long winded as he’s realised he’s revealed his true opinion and now he’s trying to back track. No apologies, or even an attempt at correcting my earlier post.
Btw Americans, doesn’t 2a require well organised militias?
No it doesn’t, that’s an entire debate unto itself though. I really don’t relish opening that Pandora’s box again lol