We did that using Jersey barriers. It works.
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We had to escort armed Black Panthers as they mobbed through the CWE; a beautiful old neighborhood in west Stl, all the while listening to their anti police garbage and hateful rhetoric. Funny seeing the self loathing liberals scared shitless though.
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No. Itās better handled by law enforcement.
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Just to be clear, people here in Asia are also talking non-stop about BLM but now theyāre only talking about violence and Iām tired of hearing about it but I need to participate sometimes so I want to understand the full story if Iām going to have to participate.
You guys may have an idea of how protests are handled in this region lol. Itās certainly not pretty. The HK situation was pretty toothless compared to further down south.
Well, hopefully you take marine77 with a grain of salt as he only deals with the worst 0.5%, and likes to use hyperbole and colorful language when sharing his opinion.
Fwiw, I donāt know any blm supporters that condone violence and rioting. And i pretty much everyone I know supports blm. Just one data point.
Look. There are real problems in some cities and communities. But when you exaggerate things or flat out make up stuff, like police hunting down black men, or make violent criminals who were justifiably shot heroes, it hurts the credibility of the real issues. It certainly doesnāt help to fix them.
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The problem is people here, and probably even in Europe, only focus on the 0.5 percent since weāre not there and all our news is either ripped off or bought and reprinted from the MSM in the US.
His opinion is valuable to me because heās also stating how theyāre trying to protect the protestors from harm even while heās ranting about shit. Some of the Europeans and Asians I deal with remotely have gone through mandatory military training so they have quite a good insight into how these things work too.
Interesting that the folks typically opposed to the government telling them to wear a mask is the same contingent condoning the militarization of domestic police forces.
Wait, this is simply a police tactical unit that most countries have. Theyāre also trained to deal with terrorists and stuff. Deployment of them is standard procedure for riots.
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Itās not special to the US.
What studies have shown, though, is that PDs that have access to militarized equipment are more likely to be involved in violent encounters. Basically, because they have the equipment they either want to use it, or the equipment gives them an increased sense of power to put themselves positions where violence will occur. De-escalation and violence avoidance becomes less of a priority of you outgun the enemy. And itās a problem when you start looking at your citizenry as the enemy.
Are normal police even trained to use things like use non-deadly chemical agents for crowd control? I donāt know. Maybe the US is different.
Iād be more afraid of the average cop HERE panicking and doing something stupid than them when it comes to large scale crowds.
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To clarify, I also mean thereās a difference between more (potential) injuries and people actually getting killed because the average cop gets too rattled.
And, while again Iām gonna state that I donāt know what goes down in the US, ālooking at the citizenry as the enemyā ISNāT HOW THIS WORKS when the order is given to use crowd control tactics even in the military anywhere else that I know of.
Maybe they are trained like that in the Middle East or something. I wouldnāt know.
Zecarlo pretty much sums it up. Amazing how actual experience, rather than armchair pontification, helps in that regard.
My interest is more granular, and highly specific -if someone reads Obamaās 768 page memoir in itās entirety (well, itās only part one), could they please tell me whether Obama still thinks that Trayvon couldāve been his son, or that Trayvon couldāve been just like Obama was in his teens? Curious, and serious; at the heart of it all, this thread is about āspinā, isnāt it?
Well, youāre reading the same MSM as we are so you can probably tell why thereās so much debate going on. And Iām fucking sick of it. They should mind their own fucking business and let you guys handle your own domestic affairs.
On one hand, people despise rioting. On the other, some people have really suffered police brutality.
Itās a weird topic to even get into here.
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How many of these highly publicized police shootings were by militarized police and how many were by regular cops who were simply on duty at the time?
George Floyd was not killed by a SWAT team. Neither was Mike Brown.
To me, a militarized police force would mean patrol cops walking around in fatigues, tactical gear, with rifles, some with dogs, etc. Like you see in some countries.
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Ratings, money, power.
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Sighā¦ Any idea the kind of hardware we face ? āAssault rifles,ā 300 Blackouts, molotov cocktails, bricks, rocks, ARās, Antifa cunts using i.e.d style explosives, handguns of every sort and mag capacity, etcā¦
Why are you against us using very reasonable options for our own self preservation ? APCāsā¦ Oh scary. Maybe stop shooting at us ? Only SWAT uses it here. In case you are unaware we deal with very violent people
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Sounds like PDX. The riots were only in a like 3 block area, but the force you described was spread out much larger than that.
A personal anecdote is that I went to a state agg school for college in bumfuck nowhere. One day walking home from class I was stopped by cops. A kid in a house s few down from me was growing weed in the basement. This police force had rolled up in an armored personnel carrier, full swat, two dogs etc. For like 15 plants. THAT is some bullshit militarization of the police and an instance of āuse it if you got itā.
Iāve read this a couple of times and Iām trying to find a point somewhere other than itās a waste of resources. Can you expand on this?
Iām opposed to itās overuse. Iām opposed to relying on overwhelming firepower to overpower any and all threats. Military tech and tactics should be a tool of last resort, IMO as it will also escalate the tactics and weapons of whoever you are dealing with.
You want every advantage available to you so you can go home to your cats. I get it. Donāt blame you. But itās human nature to then use that advantage as often as possible and or know you CAN fall back on and use that advantage so de-escalation tactics arenāt as prioritized.
Waste of resources, example of cops using their new military tech just because they have it not because itās needed, 6or7 dudes with sub machine guns and dogs busting down the door of a college kid with pot could have turned into a shooting real quick if the kid had a phone,/kitchen knife/comb in his hand.
If the cops didnt have the military tech, it probably would have been a few cops knocking on the door, and the kid goes quietly. One helluva lot less risk of something bad happening.
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