[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
pat wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
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Gambit_Lost wrote:
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If you cannot see that education about something that is going to happen anyway is a good idea then there is no point even trying to discuss it with you.
Amid the myriad of really bad problems many Africans and other poor nations in general are facing, I couldn’t imagine anything less valuable to them. Seems pretty damn low on the totem poll.
You “couldn’t imagine anything less valuable to them” than education? wow.
Generally, when one knows absolutely nothing about a topic, they shut up and listen, or start to educate themselves…I suggest (again) that you do both.
Not education in general. Education about abortion options… When it comes to death, rape, child rape, starvation, disease, abuse, homelessness, children being stolen to make child soldiers, etc…Pardon me if I think that abortion options education is somewhat less important. Or is the situation not as dire as everybody is making it out to be?
1st, your logic is strange. Talking about things like abortion in a safe environment IS VERY important because of the environment. Why would you want a clinician to refuse to answer a raped woman’s questions about any subject? Why single out information about abortion? Also, even the most hard-fisted anti-abortion type probably realizes that in cases of rape, a woman probably considers abortion. Why shouldn’t tranied people answer her questions? You’re talking like there are health facilities and then abortion facilities that are completely seperate…that’s a strange, strange belief. In a situation where rape is prevalent, why tie healthcare providers hands?
2nd, the situation IN DARFUR, is probably as bad as you are suggesting. BUT you said “Many africans and other poor nations in general.” This is where you sounded foolish. Not all of Africa looks like Darfur.
Well clinicians not affiliated with the U.S can answer those questions. I suppose asking about it is ok, but not providing any “service” using my money. I am not sure the gag order referred to clinicians and doctor but rather organizations there for that purpose. I am sure that was the target, I don’t know if the language of the order forbade doctors who are there to help those people from answering questions that they are asked by their patient. Perhaps I am not familiar with the intricacies of the order itself, but I can’t imagine care givers are forbidden to answer questions. It’s for “Family Planning” organizations to setup shop for the purpose of abortion services.
No not all of Africa is destitute, but there is enough issues there to constitute a continental crisis. The civil wars, Sierra Leon, Congo, Somailia, Zimbababwe, Chad, etc. Are all in a bad way these days. Some are as bad as Darfur others not as bad, but still bad.
The Global Gag Rule was reinstated by President George W. Bush on his first day in office in January 2001. Officially termed the Mexico City Policy, these restrictions mandate that no U.S. family planning assistance can be provided to foreign NGOs that use funding from any other source to: … provide counseling and referral for abortion
http://www.populationaction.org/globalgagrule/Summary.shtml
The global gag rule prohibits U.S. family planning assistance to foreign non-governmental organizations (NGOs) that provide abortion-related information or services, even if these services are legal in their own countries and are funded with their own money. The rule prevents NGOs from even participating in public debates or speaking out on issues concerning abortion.
http://www.pathfind.org/site/PageServer?pagename=Advocacy_Resources_Fact_Sheets_Gag_Rule [/quote]
Neither of which say that a patient under a doctors care can’t ask a question about abortion. I agree with the gag order. We don’t need to pay for abortion related services here or abroad.