[quote]sufiandy wrote:
What is the best analogy here in terms of race when compared to a gay wedding?
OK - Refuse service to a straight (or gay) person ordering a cake for a gay wedding. Discriminating against the event and not the person ordering it
WRONG - Refuse service to a gay person ordering a birthday cake. Obvious discrimination against the person
So is there an example of above using race that would be okay?
Refuse service for a wedding based on the fact its interracial? Is this OK/Wrong and is there a better example maybe? Something besides a wedding even.[/quote]
It should be legal to refuse service to anyone, for any reason. Who is not free to decide who and how he serves? A slave.[/quote]
What about the disabled? Should it be legal to not allow a blind person with a seeing eye dog to enter a business because you don’t like dogs?[/quote]
Can one be fired for making a racist tweet?
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Of course. What’s the connection?[/quote]
Should a Christian be able to be fired for a homophobic tweet–“Yes, we believe homosexuality is a sin” or not?
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That’s not homophobic. [/quote]
“Being blind with a guide dog is a sin.”
“Being black is a sin.”
Bigoted?
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Who are you quoting? [/quote]
Let’s say me. Are those bigoted statements?
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Not if that’s what your religion teaches you to believe.[/quote]
What if I’m atheist and I just say being black–or relying on a seeing eye-dog–is bad? Is that bigoted? Surely you won’t say yes, unless you’re favoring the religious now.
Come on now, if we’ve been equating the issue with race, and with disabilities, take it to its logical conclusions. Should the child wearing a KKK kids softball t-shirt be sent home from school? What if he’s wearing St. XYZ Catholic church’s kid’s softball T-shirt? A Church teaching orthodox views on homosexuality?
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
What is the best analogy here in terms of race when compared to a gay wedding?
OK - Refuse service to a straight (or gay) person ordering a cake for a gay wedding. Discriminating against the event and not the person ordering it
WRONG - Refuse service to a gay person ordering a birthday cake. Obvious discrimination against the person
So is there an example of above using race that would be okay?
Refuse service for a wedding based on the fact its interracial? Is this OK/Wrong and is there a better example maybe? Something besides a wedding even.[/quote]
It should be legal to refuse service to anyone, for any reason. Who is not free to decide who and how he serves? A slave.[/quote]
What about the disabled? Should it be legal to not allow a blind person with a seeing eye dog to enter a business because you don’t like dogs?[/quote]
Can one be fired for making a racist tweet?
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Of course. What’s the connection?[/quote]
Should a Christian be able to be fired for a homophobic tweet–“Yes, we believe homosexuality is a sin” or not?
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That’s not homophobic. [/quote]
“Being blind with a guide dog is a sin.”
“Being black is a sin.”
Bigoted?
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Who are you quoting? [/quote]
Let’s say me. Are those bigoted statements?
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Not if that’s what your religion teaches you to believe.[/quote]
What if I’m atheist and I just say being black–or relying on a seeing eye-dog–is bad? Is that bigoted? Surely you won’t say yes, unless you’re favoring the religious now.
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I don’t think that fits the definition of bigotry.
What if I’m atheist and I just say being black–or relying on a seeing eye-dog–is bad? Is that bigoted? Surely you won’t say yes, unless you’re favoring the religious now.
Zecarlo:
I don’t think that fits the definition of bigotry. [/quote]
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Come on now, if we’ve been equating the issue with race, and with disabilities, take it to its logical conclusions. Should the child wearing a KKK kids softball t-shirt be sent home from school? What if he’s wearing St. XYZ Catholic church’s kid’s softball T-shirt? A Church teaching orthodox views on homosexuality?
“I’m teaching my son not to marry a black”
“I’m teaching my son not to marry men.”[/quote]
And this? The quotes aren’t on the shirts in question. They simply reflect the known worldview of both institutions.
It does not say that. My children are definitely my concern.[/quote]
Then you should want laws in place that protect the weakest and most vulnerable among us.
What if I’m atheist and I just say being black–or relying on a seeing eye-dog–is bad? Is that bigoted? Surely you won’t say yes, unless you’re favoring the religious now.
Zecarlo:
I don’t think that fits the definition of bigotry. [/quote]
Eh?!
Well, ok.
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Bigotry requires hate and intolerance. Christians are supposed to love sinners.
It does not say that. My children are definitely my concern.[/quote]
Then you should want laws in place that protect the weakest and most vulnerable among us. [/quote]
Because I’m concerned with my children’s well-being, I should support legalized aggression against other children?
It does not say that. My children are definitely my concern.[/quote]
Then you should want laws in place that protect the weakest and most vulnerable among us. [/quote]
Because I’m concerned with my children’s well-being, I should support legalized aggression against other children?[/quote]
So a teacher being legally obligated to report child abuse is being aggressive against children?
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
So a teacher being legally obligated to report child abuse is being aggressive against children?[/quote]
Not if that’s part of her contract. You asked, “Should I be legally obligated to call the cops if I see your child being murdered?” I answered that you should not be legally obligated to do so. You then said that answer said that I’m not concerned about children. You then jumped to claiming that I should want to force others to share my concern.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I really don’t want to turn this into another gay marriage thread but I have a question: should a pastor/bishop/priest who believes gay marriage to be a sin be required under penalty of law to professionally officiate at a gay wedding?
If your answer is no then tell me why the baker is different from the pastor.
Andy, let’s start with you.[/quote]
Do churches follow the same laws as other public businesses? I’m not sure the comparison is valid. Businesses are generally open to the public which are what the discrimination laws are for, are mormon temples like that? It’s more of an invite only thing vs all free to come in, unless we say no.