Anastrozole Will Not Stay in Solution

I had some older l-dex in a blue bottle in 2007 that was in a thicker solution. As product dried around the threads of the lid, the residue was thick and goody. Current [new] product is in a thinner watery solution that creates a hard deposit around the threads like sugar would.

I have had problems with the newer product. My E2 labs acted like I was only getting ½ of the expected dose. I ended up using around twice as much of the product as I would expect to achieve E2=22pg/ml. Still newer product still also needs larger amounts than expected.

I have a 3watt LED penlight flashlight. I held that against the bottom of the blue bottle in a closet ? dim ambient light. The bottle had large snow flake like crystals that settle to the bottom of the bottle. That explains the low dosing.

I heated water in the microwave and set the bottle in that, tipped up on one corner so the bottom was heating as well. [Warming product in the microwave might destroy the anastrozole?] With shaking, rewarming water? I was able to dissolve the product. I took my then normal dose of close to .75ml [EOD]. I really have felt that dose! Too much.

Two days later, I get the flashlight and now there are larger crystals, now more square than flakes and stuck hard to the bottom of the bottle. There really is a problem! So I warmed and dissolved everything again and took a smaller dose this time. —Update: Crystals were seen regrowing 4-5 hours afterwards.

I like the blue dropper bottles and do not throw the empties away. I rinse them out and store them with the lids off to dry. I got the flash light out to look at those. They all have crystals stuck to the bottom of the bottles. That means the dispensed product is under-dosed, including some, perhaps to a lesser degree with the product from 2007.

Some work needs to be done to find a vehicle that can carry 1mg/ml without dumping crystals. Ethyl alcohol would work well and vodka is known to work as well. But perhaps not ideal for other reasons.

LMW PEG might be a good solvent. Glycerin also could be evaluated. Propylene glycol might also be of interest. All are food safe and used in pharmaceuticals. It would not be difficult to do a solubility test for these.

If the anastrozole dissolves at room temperature, then precipitation over time is probably not a concern. Once that is known, heat can be used during processing to speed things up.

A mix with some ethyl alcohol might have some advantages as well. Alcohol might facilitate introducing the adex power into one of the other thicker organic solvents.

Crystals growing in a solution can only mean one thing - the solution has become supersaturated. Obviously, warming the solution will increase the ability of the solvent to keep the solute in solution as well as simply adding more solvent. The problem, of course, is that you’re going to be guessing no matter what you do, but I add one drop of water to my anastrozole whenever I notice a significant buildup of gunk on the threads.

I noticed that one of the more popular research chem sites now appears to be producing their anaztrozole in-house and I’m wondering if that might be part of the problem. I still have the thicker style on hand and in my mind there is no question that it contains propylene glycol because of its slightly sweet taste. I’m not sure how much this helps the anastrozole stay in solution, but they have to be adding it for some reason, eh? If nothing else, the PC will help inhibit evaporation.

The organic solvents may hold anastrozole better than water. The ability of water to dissolve anastrozle is ‘scant’ and I have see a figure of .5mg/ml. Thus one should expect problems with a 1.0mg/ml solution that is water based.

Once there are crystals, levels is solution could get quite low.

Glycerin is sweet as well.

I do not think that evaporation is a problem. The fluid that gets onto the threads looses water but there is no reason to think that that is indicative of what is happening with the contents.

How to convert your water based product to vodka based.

Mark the level in the bottle on the label. Pour the contents into a small shallow ceramic bowl. Place in a 160-170 F degree oven for a couple of hours or more. Gas fired ovens are damp and will take more time.

Do not worry about anastrozole crystals in the bottom of the bottle. Those will dissolve when the product is returned to the bottle in a vodka base.

This will drive off most of the water. The anastrozole will be in a thick syrup. You do not want the syrup too thick and it will be a lot thicker when cooled down. If the product is to dry, it will take time and effort to dissolve in vodka.

With the bowl at room temperature, as to not evaporate alcohol excessively, add some vodka and use it to dissolve the syrup and anastrozole. A 3ml syringe is useful to transfer the dissolved syrup back to the original bottle as well as adding vodka to the bowl in small controlled amounts. Repeat with small amounts of alcohol until all product is in solution and transferred to the original bottle.

If you do not spill, there will be no losses. In the end you will be filling the bottle back to its original level. Watch that your last steps washing product out of the bowl are not going to overfill the bottle.

One could in general use stronger alcohols than 40% vodka. In this particular case, there is a lot of sugar to be dissolved. Stronger alcohol concentrations may not carry that sugar load… something that I do not know about.

03/2/07
Update:

The alcohol based solution has a different surface tension. The number of drops per ml goes from 28-30 → 40-42. For dosing by the drop, you will need to use new numbers. The drops per ml will also depend on your final % alcohol. The results depend on now much water drove out of the product. Check the drops per ml.

Maybe I dont get it - but I gently shake my bottle anyway - I just tried to look for crystals, and saw some cloudy material at the bottom. After my circular shaking ritual - they were gone. So since I do this I may not have an issue ?

Or did I miss the point here entirely

Guys, rather than the oven & vodka scenario,is there any long term problem with just heating up the bottle whenever you need to ? KSman, you mentioned when you did this, your “normal” dose was too high. So if one was to just temporarily dissolve the crystals by heating the bottle, all we need to remember is to lower our dosage sightly, correct ? To me this seems easier…

I was hopeful that I could redissolve once and be done. But if you read the OP you will see that it was crystallizing out within hours. Heating every dose day was not for me. Dose amounts will depend on a number of factors.

Gotcha. Didn’t realize you were taking it every day.

FWIW, I was using a lesser mentioned brand with no problem, but wanted more for less $$. Just got the other brand’s (monday)and lo and behold, crystals on the dropper.

Is Anastrozole (or any AI) something that you would take on its own?

/off topic

SteelyD

Not in this thread please.

Is this being used for TRT or long term usage ?

Im curious as to why you chose adex in the first place over letro.

I have never noticed crystals in the bottom of the bottle, but crystals sure do form around the threads. I never though it was the adex, I always presumed it was the flavoring agent.

EDIT: I just found an old “empty” bottle in the cupboard, and it has ton of crystals in the bottom…

Has anyone heard from a representative of this company yet? I’m pretty sure we are all talking about the same company and having the same problem.

If the problem is not resolved soon, they will probably lose a ton of future business.