Anadrol/Tren/Equipoise Cycle for Strength

Pharma / TRT
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Hello,

I’m new to the forums, but I’ve been reading the site’s articles for over a year now.

I’m a 33 y/o engineer in Singapore wanting a cycle purely for strength. Been lifting for 15 years and my current 1RM in kilos are 200 for squat, 120 for bench and 215 for deadlift, all without gear. I weigh 73 kilos at the moment.

I’ve been doing 8 week cycles twice a year for the past 3 years so this will be my 7th. I stacked Tren and Winstrol Depot in all previous cycles with good results. My goals then were more for fat loss, aesthetics and strength to weight ratio. Now I want to be as strong as possible regardless of my weight. I’m not competing. I’m just doing this for the love of strength.

Here’s what I propose:

Anadrol - 100mg ED for weeks 1-6
Trenbolone - 100mg EOD for weeks 1-4
Equipoise - 250mg EOD for weeks 5-8
Clomid - 50mg ED for weeks 7-8, then 100mg ED for 4 weeks PCT

I’m thinking Anadrol will jumpstart my strength gains. I’ve had good experience with Tren in solid maintainable strength gains. Equipoise is for appetite and so I can keep my gains for a long time. I never needed PCT before, but with this stack, I think I need Clomid. I opted not to go for Winstrol this time because it’s 17-aa and Anadrol can be harsh for the liver.

Diet will mainly revolve around steamed or roasted chicken breast, tuna and salmon. I’ll add small portions of wheat bread and brown rice for carbs. I plan to eat 5-7 times a day with whey and creatine supplements post workout and before sleeping.

My training will be mostly 5-8 sets of 3 reps at 60-70% in weeks 1-4 for all 3 lifts. I’ll train each lift twice a week. Weeks 4-8 will be Smolov Jr. This is what I do in all my cycles.

Any thoughts?

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i havent personally run anadrol yet; but from people I talk to anything over 4 weeks is going to make u feel like shit… maybe start off at 50mgs a day of anadrol and see how u feel after 10 days? tren and anadrol are pretty much the strongest androgens; pairing them together will definetly make u stronger AND increase body weight.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
“equipoise is for appetite and so I can keep my gains for a long time”.

…And yet you want the cycle for strength, not size. That’s your first illogical thought.

What makes you think EQ will make you keep your gains for a long time? Unless you mean because the EQ will effectively extend your cycle, meaning that you are ‘on’ longer, which means you won’t have to go into PCT (and risk losing your gains) for longer.

I’m pretty sure (from your plan) that you don’t realise that EQ is one of the longest esters around, meaning that 3 weeks use is just ridiculously mismatched to the characteristics of the drug.

EQ is usually run for 16 weeks or more, because it takes at least 4 weeks to become effective and 4-6 weeks to leave the body (assuming proper cycle length).

BBB[/quote]

Thanks for the comment. Weeks 5-8 is 4 weeks not 3. So the gains from Anadrol and Tren won’t carry over when I switch to EQ? From what I know, long ester steroids will take longer to have an effect but will also have a prolonged effect, so I get to keep gains. This is why I put Anadrol and Tren so I could have a jumpstart in gains before I switch to EQ. When you say EQ for 16 weeks, are you referring to EQ cycles w/o other steroids?

In any case, I will consider adding more weeks to EQ. Thanks again.

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[quote]muscle_meathead wrote:
i havent personally run anadrol yet; but from people I talk to anything over 4 weeks is going to make u feel like shit… maybe start off at 50mgs a day of anadrol and see how u feel after 10 days? tren and anadrol are pretty much the strongest androgens; pairing them together will definetly make u stronger AND increase body weight. [/quote]

Thanks for the comment. That’s basically the plan, to increase strength regardless of weight. Anadrol 50mg ED sounds reasonable as well. What do you mean feel like shit? As in weaker, dizzy, sleepy, bad mood or something else?

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You should think about adding test into your cycles.

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[quote]lens_d wrote:
You should think about adding test into your cycles. [/quote]

I second that one, you should think that test “foundation”, thats kind of the “main course” i feel like tren and EQ are kind of accents/sides…Think about runnin Test E or even a blend like sustanon and maybe swap out that EQ. Lastly have you looked into Dbol vs anadrol? i kinda like what i have experienced from the dbol and i havent seen the greatest sides from the Drol…but thats just my opinion i guess…to each is own! First cycle man?

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
The effects of different steroids have different, specific effects (to a degree). So the fullness from anadrol will dissapear, once the anadrol leaves the system - 3 days roughly.

Same with the tren. The strength gains and visual effects will last only as long as that drug is in the system.

And it is the same with the EQ. Once the drug is out of the body, the effects will dissipate. Long acting gear does not equal ‘keepable gains’.

BBB[/quote]

I disagree. Yes, using Anadrol and Tren then stopping will make you lose ALL your gains… provided that you don’t train properly. They have an indirect effect on keeping gains by allowing your training sessions to be more intense, voluminous, frequent and productive because they have a positive impact on protein synthesis, leading to better and quicker recovery. It’s not the steroids that make you keep gains - it’s what you do while you’re on it.

To Mr. Silverback, as a doctor and an experienced user of Tren, I suggest you ditch the Anadrol and switch to a Testosterone like Sustanon. Although the strength gains may be slower, the dosages can be higher and the cycles longer, with even fewer side effects. This means in the long run, you may actually be stronger.

I used Tren and Anadrol together one time, and I woke up on the second week of my cycle full of acne on my head, face, neck, shoulders, chest and back. I even had some on my legs, and my genitals weren’t spared. That was scary stuff. I never used Anadrol in a stack ever since.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]2274 wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
The effects of different steroids have different, specific effects (to a degree). So the fullness from anadrol will dissapear, once the anadrol leaves the system - 3 days roughly.

Same with the tren. The strength gains and visual effects will last only as long as that drug is in the system.

And it is the same with the EQ. Once the drug is out of the body, the effects will dissipate. Long acting gear does not equal ‘keepable gains’.

BBB[/quote]

I disagree. Yes, using Anadrol and Tren then stopping will make you lose ALL your gains… provided that you don’t train properly. They have an indirect effect on keeping gains by allowing your training sessions to be more intense, voluminous, frequent and productive because they have a positive impact on protein synthesis, leading to better and quicker recovery. It’s not the steroids that make you keep gains - it’s what you do while you’re on it.

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So what you are saying is that you can train like you are on tren/anadrol and LOOK like you do on tren and anadrol… even when you are not on tren and anadrol.

That cannot be what you are saying, because that would be retarded.
BBB[/quote]

The topic starter is obviously talking about strength gains. So yes, the LOOK isn’t what I was talking about.

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[quote]tibzer wrote:

[quote]lens_d wrote:
You should think about adding test into your cycles. [/quote]

I second that one, you should think that test “foundation”, thats kind of the “main course” i feel like tren and EQ are kind of accents/sides…Think about runnin Test E or even a blend like sustanon and maybe swap out that EQ. Lastly have you looked into Dbol vs anadrol? i kinda like what i have experienced from the dbol and i havent seen the greatest sides from the Drol…but thats just my opinion i guess…to each is own! First cycle man?

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Thanks for the reply. It’s already my 7th.

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[quote]2274 wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
The effects of different steroids have different, specific effects (to a degree). So the fullness from anadrol will dissapear, once the anadrol leaves the system - 3 days roughly.

Same with the tren. The strength gains and visual effects will last only as long as that drug is in the system.

And it is the same with the EQ. Once the drug is out of the body, the effects will dissipate. Long acting gear does not equal ‘keepable gains’.

BBB[/quote]

I disagree. Yes, using Anadrol and Tren then stopping will make you lose ALL your gains… provided that you don’t train properly. They have an indirect effect on keeping gains by allowing your training sessions to be more intense, voluminous, frequent and productive because they have a positive impact on protein synthesis, leading to better and quicker recovery. It’s not the steroids that make you keep gains - it’s what you do while you’re on it.

To Mr. Silverback, as a doctor and an experienced user of Tren, I suggest you ditch the Anadrol and switch to a Testosterone like Sustanon. Although the strength gains may be slower, the dosages can be higher and the cycles longer, with even fewer side effects. This means in the long run, you may actually be stronger.

I used Tren and Anadrol together one time, and I woke up on the second week of my cycle full of acne on my head, face, neck, shoulders, chest and back. I even had some on my legs, and my genitals weren’t spared. That was scary stuff. I never used Anadrol in a stack ever since.[/quote]

Thanks for the reply. Ditching Anadrol for Test makes sense if you put it that way. I also had the same side effects with Winstrol and Tren. I was doing 100 mg EOD for both at that time.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]2274 wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
The effects of different steroids have different, specific effects (to a degree). So the fullness from anadrol will dissapear, once the anadrol leaves the system - 3 days roughly.

Same with the tren. The strength gains and visual effects will last only as long as that drug is in the system.

And it is the same with the EQ. Once the drug is out of the body, the effects will dissipate. Long acting gear does not equal ‘keepable gains’.

BBB[/quote]

I disagree. Yes, using Anadrol and Tren then stopping will make you lose ALL your gains… provided that you don’t train properly. They have an indirect effect on keeping gains by allowing your training sessions to be more intense, voluminous, frequent and productive because they have a positive impact on protein synthesis, leading to better and quicker recovery. It’s not the steroids that make you keep gains - it’s what you do while you’re on it.

.[/quote]
What I am saying is that you can only look like you are on anadrol (muscle fullness) and tren (hardness and fullness) whilst you are on tren and anadrol. Using EQ afterward, will not replicate the ‘look’ of being on tren and/or anadrol.

And whilst steroids obviously facilitate more intense workouts, that is only true whilst you are on said steroids. Once you come off, you will train as you did before, with maybe a little residual strength increase. And you are assuming that the OP knows how to train and eat (and recover his HPTA) properly. I for one don’t agree with that line of thinking. His cycle shows a lack of understanding. I only hope that doesn’t carry over to his training and nutrition.
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Hello again! What you say is partially correct. When I’m off steroids, I can train with less volume. I feel this especially while on the 3rd month off. My strength also didn’t seem to go anywhere. I also lost ALL my looks. However, whatever strength I gained during the heavy training I did stay. My maxes didn’t go do down, but I could do less of them in a workout. Before I started my first cycle, my lifts were 140, 90 and 150 and I was under 70kg back then. Now I’m doing 200, 120 and 215 at 73kg.

Well, that’s my experience. Thanks again for your concern.

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[quote]GG Silverback wrote:
Hello again! What you say is partially correct. When I’m off steroids, I can train with less volume. I feel this especially while on the 3rd month off. My strength also didn’t seem to go anywhere. I also lost ALL my looks. However, whatever strength I gained during the heavy training I did stay. My maxes didn’t go do down, but I could do less of them in a workout. Before I started my first cycle, my lifts were 140, 90 and 150 and I was under 70kg back then. Now I’m doing 200, 120 and 215 at 73kg.

Well, that’s my experience. Thanks again for your concern.[/quote]

Are you sure that’s the roids giving you all those gains? True, you got to keep your gains, but you started taking roids when you were weak. You couldn’t even bench 100 at 70 kilos. Either your training and nutrition was wrong before you started or you just have poor genetics. I mean how sure are you that you couldn’t have done that program you outlined above WITHOUT the roids? I’ve done much more voluminous and intense workouts while being clean.