I’m just starting my 7th week on cycle. Been on 500mg test e pw, and 70mg p day anavar for past 3.5 weeks, with a few days until the last of the anavar has gone.
Pretty happy with the gains so far - about 9lbs, with no water weight and a bit of a drop on body fat.
Cycle runs for another 5 weeks, and will have another couple before test returns to baseline; in this time I would like to gain another 10lbs to hit my goal. Probably wouldn’t be too far off that if just took the test for the remaining weeks, but thinking of stacking something else to make sure.
I’m thinking of taking 2 weeks off from when the anavar runs out, to give my liver a bit of a rest, and then maybe running anadrol or dbol for 2-4 weeks… had some mild liver discomfort from 70mg per day anavar, so being cautious.
Wondering if anyone has experience to back up what they feel is a fair estimate of how much gains 2-4 weeks of both could contribute… in both water and muscle, would be helpful.
Also, my trainer and supplier reckons the stuff about anadrol being more harsh than dbol is unfounded… anyone seen anything to confirm or dismiss this?
If the gains won’t be massively different between the two over that period, will more than likely go for dbol, even though cost a bit more, as I quote like the mental effects I’ve read about it.
seems unlikely that you had “liver discomfort” from the 70mg of var, but up your water intake just the same. I actually find 100-150mg of var is the sexy spot. It’s my favourite steroid, as it happens.
I would go for the dbol. 40mg a day should do nicely. I hope you are using an AI, yes?
var’s really not very liver toxic at all, but whatevs. if you say your liver hurts then I’ll believe you.
Fun Fact: There’s actually evidence to show that oxandrolone may IMPROVE liver health in alcoholic hepatitis. Heard that a while ago, so it may have been disproved by now. Just thought it was interesting…
Anyway, re:dbol and gains - can’t really say for sure what you’d gain mate but it’s one of the best roids around for quick and dirty mass. The whole water thing is very misunderstood. A lot of users think that all it does is turn you into a huge puffy bloated mess, but that’s really not the case. I run my dbol pretty high and have never had any visible bloating because I eat well and control my E. If you do the same, you’ll be grand. Besides, a little water bloat’ll have your joints feeling all lubed up and awesome.
You won’t keep all your dbol “gains” because some of it will be water retention, but as long as you PCT right and train like a beast then you’ll keep the actual muscle.
I’ve read that about alcoholic hepatitis, but not sure what dose it is at; wouldn’t be the first time a drug was able to heal at one dose and cause more damage to the afflicted organ at too high a dose. Read stuff that said the studies about liver toxicity were at doses of 10-20 mg per day, but even at those doses I don’t think it was completely without effect. Had been a bit achey at times, but one day last week I went to the pub on lunch for a work mate’s bday and within an hour of finishing a pint had quite sharp pain that lasted for an hour or so. Easy to blame it on the beer, but having had no such issues off a single pint in all the years I’ve been drinking, it seems most likely that the var has strained the liver to a point where it struggled to process the beer.
I was expecting to get a bit of bloat from the test, but running arimidex I haven’t had any that’s noticible. Hopefully will be the same with dbol… I know it can help, but trying to fly under the radar in work.
fair enough, those are all good points and I certainly can’t argue wth them.
I would say though that if anavar is hurting your liver, why are you so keen to take another oral? Dbol and drol are both way harsher than var. If var’s hurting your liver, then dbol or drol will make it explode out through your anus.
The liver ache hasn’t been present for about 2 weeks and for the past week I’ve ran it at 50 rather than 70. I’m taking this as a good sign, although I’m not expecting any strain to have reversed while still taking it. I’m planning on giving it a full 2 weeks before starting another oral, which is 50% of the time on, and I would hope that by that point it has pretty much normalised. I would then take each day as it comes and if it started aching I could stop or consider a lower dose.