'Anaconda?'

[quote]Split wrote:
soooooooo does that mean its good stuff?[/quote]

This write-up should help: (edited for brevity)

Our body has to digest the protein by breaking it down into smaller pieces which can be absorbed. Only single amino acids, and di- and tri-peptides can be directly absorbed in our intestinal tract via specific peptide importers. PeptoPro contains 70-80% small di- and tri-peptides which are directly absorbed with digestion.

Di- and tri-peptides score better on all fronts:
* very easily soluble in water
* stable, even in an acidic environment
* no bitter taste
* hypoallergenic
* permitted in all countries
* fast and total absorption by the body
* stimulates the release of insulin

PeptoPro® ushers in a new drinks category onto the sports drinks and soft drinks market. Normal sports drinks covered only three of the four elements: water for rehydration, glucose and/or electrolytes. PeptoPro® now finally adds protein in dissolvable form.

Active peptides, which together with carbohydrates raise the concentration of insulin and supply the building blocks required for muscle recovery. The result: faster muscle refuelling and energy recovery.

Here are the different sources of protein supplements with their advantages and drawbacks:

* Whey protein. Milk proteins like whey or casein sometimes cause  cow-milk allergies, and whey protein in higher doses can lead to digestive problems like flatulence and diarrhoea. The solution of whey protein in water is not clear unless the big proteins have been strained off or partially hydrolysed. Some people have problems in digesting complete whey protein.
  • Intact proteins are not easily digested and are therefore not usable during or before sports activities. Also, they do not increase the insulin level during the recovery phase.

  • Amino acids did not obtain GRAS classification (Generally Recognised As Safe) in the US and are not allowed for use in food production in Europe. They are unstable in drinks and react with sugar (so-called Maillard reaction). And finally, they raise the osmolality of the drinks, which leads to poorer sugar, water and mineral absorption.

  • Peptides obtained by â??classicâ?? hydrolysis are extremely bitter, are absorbed slower, and can cause some allergic reactions and have no or only a low effect on raising the insulin level after exercise

  • The di- and tripeptides in PeptoPro® are completely water soluble. They form a clear and stable solution, which is not bitter. They are quickly absorbed by the body and stimulate insulin production. They are hypoallergenic, and were thoroughly tested during the Athens Olympic Games in 2004.

It’s coming out the same day Duke Nukem Forever is coming out.

[quote]AllerCuzine wrote:
It’s coming out the same day Duke Nukem Forever is coming out.[/quote]

Hahaha clever reference.

[quote]Rusty Barbell wrote:
Poly-leucine[/quote]

Actually, it’s quadro-triticasein. The first batch was eaten by a plague of myostatin knock-out bulls, so they had to order a second shipment.

I wouldn’t use Anaconda and Surge Workout Fuel at the same time, until having thoroughly established for myself what the Surge Workout Fuel did for me. Making two changes at the same time results in having no way of knowing what did what or whether one needs both.

(Actually in this case I had no choice: Biotest for the same reason wouldn’t provide me with both but rather I started with Surge Workout Fuel. I still haven’t gotten Anaconda but hopefully will shortly.)

Anyway, I didn’t find the difference between using only Surge Recovery and also Surge Workout Fuel (and now using less Surge Recovery) to be merely marginal.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
I wouldn’t use Anaconda and Surge Workout Fuel at the same time, until having thoroughly established for myself what the Surge Workout Fuel did for me. Making two changes at the same time results in having no way of knowing what did what or whether one needs both.

(Actually in this case I had no choice: Biotest for the same reason wouldn’t provide me with both but rather I started with Surge Workout Fuel. I still haven’t gotten Anaconda but hopefully will shortly.)

Anyway, I didn’t find the difference between using only Surge Recovery and also Surge Workout Fuel (and now using less Surge Recovery) to be merely marginal.

[/quote]

Since you haven’t gotten it yet, I’m sure the general public still has a decent amount of time to wait.

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
I wouldn’t use Anaconda and Surge Workout Fuel at the same time, until having thoroughly established for myself what the Surge Workout Fuel did for me. Making two changes at the same time results in having no way of knowing what did what or whether one needs both.

(Actually in this case I had no choice: Biotest for the same reason wouldn’t provide me with both but rather I started with Surge Workout Fuel. I still haven’t gotten Anaconda but hopefully will shortly.)

Anyway, I didn’t find the difference between using only Surge Recovery and also Surge Workout Fuel (and now using less Surge Recovery) to be merely marginal.

Since you haven’t gotten it yet, I’m sure the general public still has a decent amount of time to wait.[/quote]

No, actually (while seeming logical) it wouldn’t follow at all. I’m not pushy about getting free stuff, and the ones to get such stuff first are high-level athletes. I have not been told a release date but also know that there’s no reason for it to have to be far-off.

Bill,

Any updates as far as Anaconda goes? Have you tried it yet?

Yes, fortunately I started getting it about 3 weeks ago.

I’ve switched now to a protocol of (this works in CT’s amino pulsing protocol as well)

On awakening: 5 g L-Leucine plus half scoop (about 15-20 g, not sure) casein hydrolysate

20 minutes later: 1 or 1.5 scoops Surge Recovery plus 2 scoops Grow! Whey

1 hour after that: 2 scoops Surge Workout Fuel plus Power Drive. Optionally may add a scoop of Grow! Whey. Also three Alpha-GPC

45 minutes after that: Spike Shooter

15 minutes after that (1 hour since the last shake) Start of workout. 2 scoops Anaconda plus 1 or 1.5 scoops Surge Recovery.

During workout: At each half hour point, 1 scoop or slightly more of Surge Recovery. For example, in a 2 hour workout thus having refeeds at 30, 60, and 90 minutes, I will have either 3 or 4 scoops prepared.

Post workout: 2 scoops Grow! Whey or Low-Carb Metabolic Drive in non-fat milk, with added casein hydrolysate. Plus one FINiBAR.

I am not saying this is the way to use these supplements: I would recommend reading what CT has written and going with that first. But the above suits me.

I am getting through some rather grueling stuff with this and doing fine. For example, last week (actually 8 days) had chest trained 4 times, every other day, with respectively 6 top work weight sets of 6; 7 sets of 5; 8 sets of 4; and 7 sets of 3. Also of course training the rest of the body pretty thoroughly though not to that degree.

This week has DL being trained either every other day, or possibly the last two workouts will be back to back. Also pretty high volume.

I have no doubt I couldn’t do all this without the quality of the supplementation. To be clear: I am also aided by AAS. But I have extensive experience with that and know that I could not do all this with AAS but without this quality of supplementation.

Another thing that I really like is that it really is true that when the para-workout nutrition is taken care of this well, you DON’T have to eat big the rest of the day. In fact you can cut up the rest of the day and still be able to handle the workload. CT’s subjects, as well as he himself, added muscle at a tremendous rate while losing fat on these protocols, which is just remarkable.

I’ve been able to eat very light the rest of the day, which is a big help. Back when Surge Recovery was all there was, I had to eat big and unfortunately put on fat to come even close to being able to handle all this.

And yes the extra work is giving more results. It is not “overtraining.”

Oh, I forgot to include:

One thing I was really pleased with, on receiving the Anaconda and reading the label, was that it does everything Surge Workout Fuel does plus more.

So it is not a case of having to give up the things SWF does, or having to double up and use both in the same drinks.

Basically, each scoop, or tub, of Anaconda used is a scoop or tub of SWF saved.

So that is why in my protocol above there is reduced SWF used compared to what I had been doing before.

This is good news for cost of use.

(Previous posts haven’t appeared yet, so I can’t just edit – hence the string of posts, which I’d usually try not to do.)

A bit of a war story on the 7x3. Not the sort of thing I’d usually relate but it was very interesting to me.

The weight I chose proved to be probably 5 lb heavier than it should have been. Actually the plan was 10 sets of 3. But even the first set, first rep, the bar speed was quite slow and the weight was obviously extremely challenging for what was planned.

Rather shortly the bar speed dropped to being extremely slow, even on the first rep of each set. Chad Waterbury would have been appalled. At best the positives were three actual seconds, which might not sound like much but watch a clock, and that is truly grinding it out. The last rep of the later sets I am pretty sure slowed to about 4 seconds.

Now ordinarily it isn’t possible to keep getting reps and keep doing more sets once the reps become this grinding.

I don’t attribute it to the Anaconda that I was able to get 7 sets, though it may well be attributable to the Anaconda that the muscles were in no way overly beat up by this. I think it has to be the Alpha GPC that made that degree of neural drive possible.

Wow, thanks for the detailed update. Sounds fantastic and can’t wait to give it a try (in some form).

I really feel Anaconda will take me to the next level… LEVEL 5 YEAH

[quote]redgladiator wrote:
I really feel Anaconda will take me to the next level… LEVEL 5 YEAH[/quote]

Whore!

First Level 5 Englishman!

PREDICTION: Anaconda will be released B4 end of summer and sold out within the first few hours. THEN it will not be in stock again for three months…

MicroSlash - “Waiting for Anaconda since all the old-school original T-Nation guys first heard of it…eons ago. MonkeyBoy Eric LIVES!!!”

That (what I posted above) is really doing two things, not just the para-workout nutrition but also a hyperamino pulsing.

If I were reducing it, I would make it:

Surge Recovery, 1.5 scoops 10 or 15 minutes before workout
Anaconda, 2 scoops at start of workout
Surge Recovery, 1 scoop 15 or 20 minutes into it and 1 scoop each 30 minutes thereafter
Postworkout: as desired (turns out that when pre and during workout nutrition is right, postworkout need not be a load-up time.)

However I’d recommend reading what CT has posted on his forum. I believe he has addressed lower-cost approaches that will still give good results.

So, can one surmise from this that R&D costs from Surge Workout Fuel must be recouped before Anaconda gets released?

Everyone buy Surge Workout Fuel. NOW.

Good plan

[quote]redgladiator wrote:
Good plan[/quote]

how did you score it already?

edit: nevermind.

so whens it coming out?