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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Oh, and do I still take the others:

I still take the ribose but my rate of usage has dropped some. I now go through a kilo per 3 months rather than per 2 months.

I haven’t placed an order with LEF for a few months now and only still have benfotiamine. I don’t know if that can still be ordered, with the FDA ordering it not to be sold, but if it is still available I’ll get more next month. I’ll reorder the 2-per-day multivitamin and the Super Booster also, if the Biotest multivitamin isn’t already available (I have absolutely no information on that as much a mystery to me as to anyone.)

I also do take, and in the brief account above didn’t include as the cost is not so major, policosonal, Sytrinol, bacopa, Vitamin D, milk thistle extract, TMG, and holy basil extract purchased locally. Also magnesium citrate when dieting and if it looks like I would otherwise be coming up short. And while not considered a supplement, I take KCl (Salt Substitute) when dieting and the diet doesn’t have enough potassium, which can easily be the case.

Of these really only the holy basil extract is pricey.

Most of these are for health benefits that I think are sound, though the policosonal is for preworkout use and is intended to help along with the Power Drive and Spike, though I really don’t know if it does. It is quite cheap though so I haven’t worried about back and forth trials; and the holy basil is intended to aid with recovery.

Oh, I forgot, I did get a kilo of glycine to try Thib’s ideas on that. I’m not going over about 30 g a day though out of cost. Only got that in a week ago so I really don’t know.[/quote]

Is that about 10 g of ribose per workout? What’s the basis for this? Isn’t SWF good enough for this purpose?

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[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Oh, and do I still take the others:

I still take the ribose but my rate of usage has dropped some. I now go through a kilo per 3 months rather than per 2 months.

I haven’t placed an order with LEF for a few months now and only still have benfotiamine. I don’t know if that can still be ordered, with the FDA ordering it not to be sold, but if it is still available I’ll get more next month. I’ll reorder the 2-per-day multivitamin and the Super Booster also, if the Biotest multivitamin isn’t already available (I have absolutely no information on that as much a mystery to me as to anyone.)

I also do take, and in the brief account above didn’t include as the cost is not so major, policosonal, Sytrinol, bacopa, Vitamin D, milk thistle extract, TMG, and holy basil extract purchased locally. Also magnesium citrate when dieting and if it looks like I would otherwise be coming up short. And while not considered a supplement, I take KCl (Salt Substitute) when dieting and the diet doesn’t have enough potassium, which can easily be the case.

Of these really only the holy basil extract is pricey.

Most of these are for health benefits that I think are sound, though the policosonal is for preworkout use and is intended to help along with the Power Drive and Spike, though I really don’t know if it does. It is quite cheap though so I haven’t worried about back and forth trials; and the holy basil is intended to aid with recovery.

Oh, I forgot, I did get a kilo of glycine to try Thib’s ideas on that. I’m not going over about 30 g a day though out of cost. Only got that in a week ago so I really don’t know.

Is that about 10 g of ribose per workout? What’s the basis for this? Isn’t SWF good enough for this purpose?[/quote]

I use 3 scoops total (an hour pre-workout, pre-workout, and 1 hour point) for three drinks. The scoops are nominally 5 grams. I haven’t determined if they actually are.

The mechanism, while not known it me, of extending work capacity would be different than that of SWF. So it is possible the effect is additive.

I did find quite some time ago (long before SWF) that the ribose made a noticeable and worthwhile difference in work capacity. I’d also learned from John Berardi some years ago that he had found this with a number of athletes as well.

Since using SWF, I haven’t tried a back-and-forth to see if in fact ribose still makes a difference. It would be worth trying, as the cost certainly does add up over time.

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(Previous post hasn’t appeared, so can’t just edit.)

Oh, and as to why be so concerned about improving work capacity: I’m 47 but train an amount that would have most 20-somethings crying about “overtraining.” It isn’t possible for me to train nearly the amount that I do without the nutritional support I am getting, but it’s what I like to do and I find it more productive than having to train less.

Plus, I just really like having performance not drop off in following sets to nearly the degree that used to be the case.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
BulletproofTiger wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Oh, and do I still take the others:

I still take the ribose but my rate of usage has dropped some. I now go through a kilo per 3 months rather than per 2 months.

I haven’t placed an order with LEF for a few months now and only still have benfotiamine. I don’t know if that can still be ordered, with the FDA ordering it not to be sold, but if it is still available I’ll get more next month. I’ll reorder the 2-per-day multivitamin and the Super Booster also, if the Biotest multivitamin isn’t already available (I have absolutely no information on that as much a mystery to me as to anyone.)

I also do take, and in the brief account above didn’t include as the cost is not so major, policosonal, Sytrinol, bacopa, Vitamin D, milk thistle extract, TMG, and holy basil extract purchased locally. Also magnesium citrate when dieting and if it looks like I would otherwise be coming up short. And while not considered a supplement, I take KCl (Salt Substitute) when dieting and the diet doesn’t have enough potassium, which can easily be the case.

Of these really only the holy basil extract is pricey.

Most of these are for health benefits that I think are sound, though the policosonal is for preworkout use and is intended to help along with the Power Drive and Spike, though I really don’t know if it does. It is quite cheap though so I haven’t worried about back and forth trials; and the holy basil is intended to aid with recovery.

Oh, I forgot, I did get a kilo of glycine to try Thib’s ideas on that. I’m not going over about 30 g a day though out of cost. Only got that in a week ago so I really don’t know.

Is that about 10 g of ribose per workout? What’s the basis for this? Isn’t SWF good enough for this purpose?

I use 3 scoops total (an hour pre-workout, pre-workout, and 1 hour point) for three drinks. The scoops are nominally 5 grams. I haven’t determined if they actually are.

The mechanism, while not known it me, of extending work capacity would be different than that of SWF. So it is possible the effect is additive.

I did find quite some time ago (long before SWF) that the ribose made a noticeable and worthwhile difference in work capacity. I’d also learned from John Berardi some years ago that he had found this with a number of athletes as well.

Since using SWF, I haven’t tried a back-and-forth to see if in fact ribose still makes a difference. It would be worth trying, as the cost certainly does add up over time.

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Thanks for the response. I might consider it in the future. I used ribose once when I was wrestling and I didn’t notice anything, but admittedly I was not consistent with my supplementation at the time.

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The dosage needed is pretty heavy – the literature-studied value is 15 g/day – and it seems to me it takes a cumulative effect.

I’m not at all sure I would notice it in wrestling (wrestled in high school but not since then.) In weight training, if one keeps records it’s possible to detect relatively small differences as the load applied is so precisely known. That probably is true in the type of Strongman training John Berardi was talking with me about. In wrestling it seems like it would be hard to say that effort expended might not be a few percent less this time around, or a few percent more, etc.

I’d expect SWF to be clearly making a difference in that application, but ribose might well be too subtle.

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I guess this thread can be deleted now :stuck_out_tongue: