Anabolic Diet

[MAF14]

[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:
soo after six, yes SIX failed attempts on going through the AD induction again, quitting after 3 days, ive finally made it to day 6. i think its safe to say the worst is over. i crashed HARD!! on day 2. i basically spent days 2-5 on the couch. dizzy, so dizzy ready to pass out if i got up to walk around, nauseous on the verge of puking, brain fog, not wanting to do anything besides sleep…to be honest, i was convinced i was dying of an unknown illness. then late on day 4 i had the most insane cravings for sugar in my entire life, nothing could compare to that 20 minutes of hell…i was ready to say fuck it and tear apart a pack of cookies and some pizza i had lying around. then it tasted like i swallowed a roll, or twelve… of pennies, yet slightly sweet tasting, hellooo ketosis. most of day 5 was full of lethargy and then near the end of the day i got a sudden burst of energy and now im up at midnight unable to sleep and rambling on tnation LOL. itll be smooth sailing from here on out.

/rant[/quote]

damn dude sounds rough… if only you has ASKED we could have saved you from that

you can use leucine and ALA to go into ketosis VERY quickly… like a day[/quote]

damn, i didnt think of using ALA or leucine to get into ketosis quicker. i remember reading about thibs posting something about using leucine… but i didnt think ALA could work?

all i know is i have a bottle 3/4 full of indigo in my cupboards and 1.5 bottles of glycobol just waiting to be used for carb ups

only problem is i started AD midway during the week, so my day 12 ends and cabrup would be on a tuesday :\ im thinking of just skipping it and going to that weekend to carbup which would be 17 days. or having one carb meal that tuesday and doing a full carbup the following weekend. [/quote]

i would think the second option would be better. kind of the mid-week carb up, like 100-150 grams or so for the last meal of the day, then you can reset your schedule you your carb ups fall on the week ends… at least thats how i like to do it[/quote]

this dieting is making me feel more low testosterone and low thryoid symptoms than a high carb diet

i had to start back on DAA and nettle root. oh yea, PES Erase completely got rid of any trace of estrogen in my body lol wicked stuff.[/quote]

yeah dieting always sucks but doing the induction phase on low cals will suck even more… why not bump up fats and see how you feel

[wannabebig25]

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:
soo after six, yes SIX failed attempts on going through the AD induction again, quitting after 3 days, ive finally made it to day 6. i think its safe to say the worst is over. i crashed HARD!! on day 2. i basically spent days 2-5 on the couch. dizzy, so dizzy ready to pass out if i got up to walk around, nauseous on the verge of puking, brain fog, not wanting to do anything besides sleep…to be honest, i was convinced i was dying of an unknown illness. then late on day 4 i had the most insane cravings for sugar in my entire life, nothing could compare to that 20 minutes of hell…i was ready to say fuck it and tear apart a pack of cookies and some pizza i had lying around. then it tasted like i swallowed a roll, or twelve… of pennies, yet slightly sweet tasting, hellooo ketosis. most of day 5 was full of lethargy and then near the end of the day i got a sudden burst of energy and now im up at midnight unable to sleep and rambling on tnation LOL. itll be smooth sailing from here on out.

/rant[/quote]

damn dude sounds rough… if only you has ASKED we could have saved you from that

you can use leucine and ALA to go into ketosis VERY quickly… like a day[/quote]

damn, i didnt think of using ALA or leucine to get into ketosis quicker. i remember reading about thibs posting something about using leucine… but i didnt think ALA could work?

all i know is i have a bottle 3/4 full of indigo in my cupboards and 1.5 bottles of glycobol just waiting to be used for carb ups

only problem is i started AD midway during the week, so my day 12 ends and cabrup would be on a tuesday :\ im thinking of just skipping it and going to that weekend to carbup which would be 17 days. or having one carb meal that tuesday and doing a full carbup the following weekend. [/quote]

i would think the second option would be better. kind of the mid-week carb up, like 100-150 grams or so for the last meal of the day, then you can reset your schedule you your carb ups fall on the week ends… at least thats how i like to do it[/quote]

this dieting is making me feel more low testosterone and low thryoid symptoms than a high carb diet

i had to start back on DAA and nettle root. oh yea, PES Erase completely got rid of any trace of estrogen in my body lol wicked stuff.[/quote]

yeah dieting always sucks but doing the induction phase on low cals will suck even more… why not bump up fats and see how you feel[/quote]

yea i bumped it up. i was getting maybe 120g a day of fat and 180g of protein… not good at 210lbs. 180g of fat and 210g of protein is what im aiming for now. gonna have to squeeze in an extra meal. if i didnt start calculating shit i wouldve kept eating a sub 2000 calorie AD induction :\

[wannabebig25]

and today is going to be my first workout during the induction. took a week off (deload), because the first few days on the AD im always the weakest. lets see how strength is holding up 7 days into this! weight hasnt even budged a lbs even though im way leaner around the waist (recomp?). muscles still holding their fullness too.

edit: incline barbell bench went up 10lbs. deadlift didnt drop, same numbers. barbell clean and press and close grip bench was same weight but reps dropped by 2. not too bad.

[seanie_Og]

Hi all - I ve been on the AD for about 7 weeks now and have good results from it. I have no problem sticking to it (in fact im thourougly enjoying it).

But over the next 3 weeks or so i am going to have a real problem sticking to it. I am going back to Ireland for 2 weeks over Xmas. I’ll be meeting up with some friends and family I havent seen in a few years. This means i will be drinking pints of stout almost everyday and eating shitloads of carb laden food. Plus, before I go I have a few Xmas parties and dinners with in-laws etc… cause i wont be here for Xmas.

Should I try and have no carb days in between the binge drinking and eating loads of spuds? or is there any point in that? Should I just forget about it and go through the induction phase again after xmas?

Cheers.

[Jaynick77]

[quote]seanie_Og wrote:
Hi all - I ve been on the AD for about 7 weeks now and have good results from it. I have no problem sticking to it (in fact im thourougly enjoying it).

But over the next 3 weeks or so i am going to have a real problem sticking to it. I am going back to Ireland for 2 weeks over Xmas. I’ll be meeting up with some friends and family I havent seen in a few years. This means i will be drinking pints of stout almost everyday and eating shitloads of carb laden food. Plus, before I go I have a few Xmas parties and dinners with in-laws etc… cause i wont be here for Xmas.

Should I try and have no carb days in between the binge drinking and eating loads of spuds? or is there any point in that? Should I just forget about it and go through the induction phase again after xmas?

Cheers.[/quote]

I’m in the same boat, between holidays and business travel it’s been a dooze on the ole AD diet. I still try and maintain the intermittent fasting as much as possible and keep the carbs to a minimum where I can. I don’t plan on doing full-on induction period again though.

[KRC]

Day 10 today. Still feel fine, if not significantly better day to day than I did before starting the induction phase. The only three issues I’ve had so far are: not getting enough vegetables, not getting enough calories (always within 13-15g/lb BW but was shy of 18cal/lb for a few days), and yesterday and today I have NOT been able to stay even remotely hydrated.

Before even hearing of AD I drank water religiously, roughly .5oz/lb of BW at least per day, but I drink a refillable 20oz bottle while at my desk at work, 30 minutes later piss the whole thing out, repeat all day. I’m doing my damndest, but I’ve been dry mouth all day.

All in all these are not big issues (except the veggies, maybe). Still feel great, and even though it’s water weight, my gut hasn’t been this small since I was in middle/early high school!

[seanie_Og]

[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:

I’m in the same boat, between holidays and business travel it’s been a dooze on the ole AD diet. I still try and maintain the intermittent fasting as much as possible and keep the carbs to a minimum where I can. I don’t plan on doing full-on induction period again though.
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Yeah id imagine a lot of people will be too. I wont mind doing the induction again if needed. I havent been on it that long so I think i will. I find it pretty easy here in Australia at the moment. Most meals come off the bbq so its a shitload of meat and a bit salad. Its my ideal way to eat!

[system]

Wannbe-25. can you go into a bit more detail on the PES? I am very unfamiliar with it & wondering how it works & what it does. Thanks

[MAF14]

[quote]seanie_Og wrote:

[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:

I’m in the same boat, between holidays and business travel it’s been a dooze on the ole AD diet. I still try and maintain the intermittent fasting as much as possible and keep the carbs to a minimum where I can. I don’t plan on doing full-on induction period again though.
[/quote]

Yeah id imagine a lot of people will be too. I wont mind doing the induction again if needed. I havent been on it that long so I think i will. I find it pretty easy here in Australia at the moment. Most meals come off the bbq so its a shitload of meat and a bit salad. Its my ideal way to eat![/quote]

depending on how long you have been on the AD, you dont need to redo the induction phase, 6 months plus or so to be safe. if less, i would redo induction. if you gain a bit more fat or just feel more comfortable doing the induction, go right ahead! it wont hurt you, so why not?

also you could throw in a fasting and/or protein only day during the week, again, if it makes you feel better or you’re worried about fat gain. 2 per week at the most IMO

[gummi_hulk]

I did a 12 hour clean-ish carb up day today (no wheat, no super refined sugar products like soda or candy) and feel pretty good. Usually when I go off a low carb diet and eat a bunch of junk I feel like utter crap and get pretty bad GI distress.

I lost 2 pounds the first week while eating a ton, I realize some of this is water but I had eaten 3 pounds of food the night before, had already been on it 3 days when I weighed myself and I also feel slimmer.

I decided not to do a fasting day after the carb up as well, I figure the closer you stick to the plan the less likely you are to f’it up.

[MAF14]

glad its working for ya. any reason in specific you are trying AD?

[gummi_hulk]

Hi MAF, I lose weight the best and generally feel better on low carb diets (no hunger pangs). I got into strength training in the summer and some people talk a lot about the importance of insulin for building muscle. Hearing Dr. Mauro give an interview on the topic it seemed like a really good solution. Also his credentials are impeccable, he is not just another a-hole with a diet.

[thehebrewhero]

[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:

[quote]seanie_Og wrote:
Hi all - I ve been on the AD for about 7 weeks now and have good results from it. I have no problem sticking to it (in fact im thourougly enjoying it).

But over the next 3 weeks or so i am going to have a real problem sticking to it. I am going back to Ireland for 2 weeks over Xmas. I’ll be meeting up with some friends and family I havent seen in a few years. This means i will be drinking pints of stout almost everyday and eating shitloads of carb laden food. Plus, before I go I have a few Xmas parties and dinners with in-laws etc… cause i wont be here for Xmas.

Should I try and have no carb days in between the binge drinking and eating loads of spuds? or is there any point in that? Should I just forget about it and go through the induction phase again after xmas?

Cheers.[/quote]

I’m in the same boat, between holidays and business travel it’s been a dooze on the ole AD diet. I still try and maintain the intermittent fasting as much as possible and keep the carbs to a minimum where I can. I don’t plan on doing full-on induction period again though.
[/quote]

Seems like alot of people are concerned about the holidays… Why stress just skip your carb up this weekend or make it a slightly higher carb day and make the X-mas & NYE a 3 day anything goes period… This way on Monday 1/2/12 its just buisness as usual…

[thehebrewhero]

@ wannabe big or anyone in induction

You should not do the induction at reduced calories it should be 18xBody Weight in Cals… This way when you do the cutting or bulking phase you have a baseline. As I understand it 18xBW is maintenence. At least thats how I take it from the original book from Dr D

[jannet]

yeah i think people don’t really take interest in the anabolic diet discussion , there are a lots of things to be discussed …

[aspengc8]

Day 17 here back on the AD. Have not had a carb up yet, planning on a 12 hour saturday session. Had a weird moment last night playing in a over 30 b-ball league. Was standing around during a time out and started getting light-headed and a weird ‘lightness’ to my whole body.

Almost felt a little surreal, almost detached from what was going on. I got some water down and it passed, but definitely was interesting. Like said above, maybe because I have not been eating the 18xbw or so, or maybe dehydrated. Not really sure. I also find my hunger satisfied with 3 giant AD type meals, which should be ok correct? Anyone else have this light-headedness during some sort of hiit or sport related stuff?

[jw154505]

I’ve read the AD book and through quite a few AD threads and decided to post my experience so far (still going). My goals were to cut fat and be leaner than I ever had been before March 2012, spring break. I started on August 1st '11.

First 3 months, no cheating, pure AD percentages, dropped an overall weight of 4 lbs. Leaner, maintained weight and fluctuated after carb loads vs Friday. Impressed with some of my gains under the iron after the 36hr weekend loads. But, I was not as lean as I expected. I read some notes on the AD from Coach Thib and decided to incorporate his ideas.

So for the past 2 months, no cheating, I moved protein to 1.5-1.75x bodyweight and fat at 0.5-0.75x. Less fat/more protein than the AD and only 1 carb day, which really isn’t a day, more like a few carb meals totaling about 200-250 carbs. I have dropped a couple pounds, feel pretty skinny though, I’m not tight and hard like I want to be.

I have kept cals at 12-14x of bodyweight. Food is steak, eggs, chicken, lettuce, broccoli, tuna, natural pb, almonds, etc. For no cheating and as clean as I have ate and strict as I have been to the diets protocol, I still haven’t been able to shed the fat on my lower stomach, which is my main goal, be hard and ready for spring break. I’ve recently kicked up cardio a little bit, running a mile before I lift, and 1 mile after, the rest goes as follows:

Mon - Chest/Shoulders/Tris/Abs - Heavy, 4x6, 2-3 exercises/group
Tues - Back/Legs/Bis - Same as Mon
Weds - Abs and cardio with p90 or insanity
Thurs - Chest/Shoulders/Tris - Light, 3x10, 2-3 exercises/group
Fri - Back/Legs/Bis/Abs - Same as Thurs
Sat - Rest/Refuel
Sun - Cardio with p90/insanity

I thought after 5 months I would be much farther than I currently am, yet following everything to protocol. I’m going to finish through December but want to try to tweek starting Jan 1 through March. I want to shed this pesky fat covering my midsection. Any tips or anyone have the same results as me? More cardio? More sleep (only get like 5-6hrs with work)? Different lifting sched? Or your body just doesn’t respond well to carbs under 30g and you should try adding some oats/rice with 3 meals?

[MAF14]

fasted morning LISS

[thehebrewhero]

@ JW

I’ve kinda had the same issue. I always stayed around 12%-15% Body fat while on AD. Like anyone else I’ve tried my best to have perfect 30g carb days. My goal is to hit 10% I think the only way to cut body fat is to reduce calls and up your cardio. There is no such thing as spot removal so no way to just loose it from abs. I will say this for AD even though fat loss hasent been as fast as I’d like strength and size gains have been easy. Its also a easy lifestyle to follow and food is tasty. To its affect I’ve also been reluctant to cut cals and I have slacked on cardio. So for my fat loss I blame myself and not AD… Im sure guys how do cutting phase right have had good results.

[Jaynick77]

[quote]MAF14 wrote:
fasted morning LISS[/quote]

Fasted lifting and low-impact cardio IMO. Get yourself a good zero calorie BCAA supplement, take 10grams worth prior to lifting and another 10grams during your lifting.

I did the AD for a while and had good results but this holiday season is killing me. Too many weekday parties and tons of carb-rich junk food everywhere it’s impossible to stay on it too strict. Now I’m just doing low-carb as much as I can during the week combined with the Leangains intermittent fasting.