Anabolic Diet

[quote]MODOK wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:
So what’s the verdict on coconut milk with the diet? I know some recommend a scoop of whey in some heavy cream, but coconut milk is very similar in cals and fat content with zero carbs. I only ask, because it seems like a perfect candidate during the week day dieting, but I never see it on any of the online lists of “allowed” foods.

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I can’t recall whether the milk has carbs in it or not. I use the heck out of coconut oil though. Excellent, excellent fatty acid profile. I do not agree with the guy above that a medium chain triglyceride will screw up a low carb diet. Thats an out-dated concept. [/quote]

MCT is great! I’m not AD’ing, but I throw a half tbsp of extra virgin coconut oil in a shake with chocolate protein powder, tastes like a mounds bar!

That pancake thing looks good… I just got back from a 4 day bender in Vegas, you name it I probably put it in my body. Anyhow I’ve been on AD for 2 month prior to that I was fat adapet from doing paleo for like 6 months. Since Im back to reality and about to get back in gym count cals ect… Do I need to go through the 12day 30g of carb start up phase, or can I just jump right back into the 5 high fat and 2 high carb maintenece phase again?

Also heres a bad ass beef recipe
Its my meal when Im busy allday it can be a 1 a day meal cuz its so filling

8oz burger, 3 stripes bacon, Avacado slice, mayo, swis cheese, fried egg, wrap in a big lettuce leaf

[quote]Doh wrote:

You stated that this was done before a carb up day. I was wondering what your thoughts are on doing something of this sort on days after carb up. With my schedule I workout on weekdays (for now anyway) and my refeed on saturday. I’ve been toying with the idea of doing something similar to what you posted on the day after refeed where I have no workout to “deplete” carbs quicker. Of course the workout can’t be structured to interfere with progress on my normal workouts.[/quote]

This is what I do the day before my 2 carb up days. I do A/B A/B (full body dynamic friday) SA&Su rest/manual labor

I’m curious about the two carb up days on the weekend, I have a factory job where I do rotating shifts so I work every other weekend. Manual labor type stuff, lots of walking and lifting heavy boxes. I feel like when I do my carb ups on the weekends I work, I just burn up all the carbs I eat for energy, and don’t get a lot of it stored as glycogen. I say this because my workouts after my weekend off carb up are great, but the ones after the weekends I work are crappy. My squats and deadlift are especially suffering.

Anyone got an idea of what to do? Weight is still going down pretty slowly, love handles are starting to go away finally so I’m definitely seeing results from this diet. Feel so much better on low carb days too, not bloated nor does my energy go up and down. Just wish my workouts weren’t suffering as much like stated above…

[quote]n-a wrote:
I’m curious about the two carb up days on the weekend, I have a factory job where I do rotating shifts so I work every other weekend. Manual labor type stuff, lots of walking and lifting heavy boxes. I feel like when I do my carb ups on the weekends I work, I just burn up all the carbs I eat for energy, and don’t get a lot of it stored as glycogen. I say this because my workouts after my weekend off carb up are great, but the ones after the weekends I work are crappy. My squats and deadlift are especially suffering.

Anyone got an idea of what to do? Weight is still going down pretty slowly, love handles are starting to go away finally so I’m definitely seeing results from this diet. Feel so much better on low carb days too, not bloated nor does my energy go up and down. Just wish my workouts weren’t suffering as much like stated above…[/quote]

I end up doing landscaping and some construction on the weekends. I ussually eat 1800-2100 Kals a day M-F on my carb up days I bump it up to 2500-3000 if Im doing physical work if not I just keep it at 2000ish

[quote]MODOK wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:
So what’s the verdict on coconut milk with the diet? I know some recommend a scoop of whey in some heavy cream, but coconut milk is very similar in cals and fat content with zero carbs. I only ask, because it seems like a perfect candidate during the week day dieting, but I never see it on any of the online lists of “allowed” foods.

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I can’t recall whether the milk has carbs in it or not. I use the heck out of coconut oil though. Excellent, excellent fatty acid profile. I do not agree with the guy above that a medium chain triglyceride will screw up a low carb diet. Thats an out-dated concept. [/quote]

cool - thanks for the tip
time to make some almond meal splenda and coconut chunk cookies

i’ve been with this diet for about 6 months now and its absolutely amazing - my first few carbs up were just cookies cakes and pies (awful next few days) but now I realize this lifestyle is the best. I’ve been rotating my carb up days around - never having two within 5 days of eachother but also sometimes waiting longer depending if my last one was a result of a night on the town.

I’m curious to know how soon you think is too soon in terms of moving carb up days closer to eachother and how long should someone wait before having one if they just want to cut out a bit more fat

Matt just got his numbers back from the doctor…

BP 116/72
Total Cholesterol 102
LDL 33
Triglycerides 40
blood glucose 79

Taking Tg/HDL gives .57 thus making his cholesterol some of the “fluffiest” I’ve ever seen.

Congrats Matt!

[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Discovered zero-carb pancakes this morning:
4 large eggs
2 ~100g italian sausage links
2oz feta cheese
oregano, black pepper, garlic powder to taste

Blender. Hit liquify until it reaches batter consistency. Throw on a skillet with some olive oil. It does stick together just like a pancake! And it’s delicious![/quote]

are the sausage links raw when you toss them in the blender?

[quote]MODOK wrote:

[quote]n-a wrote:
I’m curious about the two carb up days on the weekend, I have a factory job where I do rotating shifts so I work every other weekend. Manual labor type stuff, lots of walking and lifting heavy boxes. I feel like when I do my carb ups on the weekends I work, I just burn up all the carbs I eat for energy, and don’t get a lot of it stored as glycogen. I say this because my workouts after my weekend off carb up are great, but the ones after the weekends I work are crappy. My squats and deadlift are especially suffering.

Anyone got an idea of what to do? Weight is still going down pretty slowly, love handles are starting to go away finally so I’m definitely seeing results from this diet. Feel so much better on low carb days too, not bloated nor does my energy go up and down. Just wish my workouts weren’t suffering as much like stated above…[/quote]

Do you have the friday and the monday off before and after the weekend? [/quote]
Work Fri, Sat, Sun, then off Mon.

Modok,

when you say that you restrict suger to the first 6 - 12 hours of your carb up’s do you mean just the bad kinds or most?

I can guess candys, doughnuts and ice cream are the bad kinds but how do you feel about fruits and things like peas, corn and beans?

Well how fun is this??!
Good to see you around, DH!
I sure am glad that some things never change.

The AD really IS the best diet -for me anyway. I’ve been on AD auto-pilot since I stumbled on the original AD thread in 2005. Long live the AD!!

[quote]DH wrote:
Amen, Modok.

Still the best type of diet PERIOD.

DH

[quote]MODOK wrote:

[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
I used the AD for over 8 month continuously. I think the original book is obsolete simply due to the lack of vegetables and the absurd source of fats recommended ( sausages, fatty meat, beef jerky ect). In his second book he has a better&healthier list of foods and he also allows you to change your daily intake of carbs depending on your needs.

Here is how my diet looked like
Weekdays: 40% protein 55-60 fat and 50-100 grams of carbs a day with most of it coming post workout even tho the doc advise to take ur carbs before workout rather than after and take fatty whip cream along with your protein shake after!!!
weekends: carbs 60-70% fat 20-30 % protein lowwww
My main goals were body recomp, I did not want to cut. I started at 205 and ended up at a much leaner 200.

You will easily lose weight at first mostly because it is hard to eat the same amount of calories without carbs and also loss of water retention.

Pros:
_You can peak 2-3 days after your carb up. For me it was Wedneday and I destroyed a lot of PRs on that day.
_No muscle loss and maintained strength

Cons:
_The weekends were HELL. Lethargic feeling. Not good if you workout on weekends (in fact you are not supposed to). Hard to eat clean sources of carbs without protein. the weekends were supposed to be a relaxing everything goes days. But for the diet to work you need to ingest LARGE amounts of clean carbs.
_Almonds and nuts are prohibited because they contain carbs. You cannot eat fruits daily which is NOT healthy

Overall I feel it is an outdated diet. I feel if you start with Paleo diet and adjust carbs (cycling) as needed then you will be more pleased with both short and long terms results.
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Outdated? LOL You are obviously a trendy fellow.

You are the only human being I’ve ever heard say that the weekends were hell. You are just supposed to eat what you want, how is that hellish? Its just a mixed diet. Pizza and ice cream is very hard to do.

There is no reason to think that eating “fruits” is necessary to health. That completely silly. What do you get from fruit nutrient-wise that you cannot get from other sources? Nothing.

Nuts are not fucking prohibited. You can have 30 g of carbs…spend them any way you want. As a matter of a fact, in his sample diets he has almonds listed as a snack.

If you were so “lethargic” on the weekend, why didn’t you take a look at what you were eating and adjust to choices that DIDN’T make you lethargic? You are supposed to have a functional brain.

Whats absurd about the food choices? I migrated away from processed meats on the diet because of the nitrites which were making me feel bad. The saturated fats included in the diet arre certainly not absurd though.

There is also another mechanism at work, the science shows, that is responsible for you eating less caloric load on the low carb days versus the high carb days. It isn’t simply that you are “tired of meat.”

I take issue with you telling this fellow he’d be “better off” carb cycling and doing “paleo” than with the AD. How the hell do you know he’ll be better off? I have used the AD for the most part of 15 years, as have a lot of guys. I have been on the body-building stage using it. I have bulked up using it. You seem to jump to a whole lot of conclusions for folks.

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[quote]MODOK wrote:

You could try extending the low carb days through the work weekend and begin on sunday night after work, then just carb loading through monday night. Then moving your training on the week after the work weekend to tuesday through friday night or saturday morning.
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Thanks for the tip, I might just do that.

DH,

I think everyone knew you were still on the AD, the real question is: are you still disc golfing?

GOTTA HUCK!

[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Discovered zero-carb pancakes this morning:
4 large eggs
2 ~100g italian sausage links
2oz feta cheese
oregano, black pepper, garlic powder to taste

Blender. Hit liquify until it reaches batter consistency. Throw on a skillet with some olive oil. It does stick together just like a pancake! And it’s delicious![/quote]

ive got everything except the feta cheese, damnitttttt. will mozzarella substitute for the feta? lol

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Also heres a bad ass beef recipe
Its my meal when Im busy allday it can be a 1 a day meal cuz its so filling

8oz burger, 3 stripes bacon, Avacado slice, mayo, swis cheese, fried egg, wrap in a big lettuce leaf[/quote]

must…try…this

whats everybody’s view on cardio during the AD, both bulking and cutting? im doing 40-60 minutes of LISS right now trying to cut up for summer (with 10g of BCAAs).

i was thinking 20 mins of LISS 2-3x a week while bulking, for general heart health?

[quote]MODOK wrote:

[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:
whats everybody’s view on cardio during the AD, both bulking and cutting? im doing 40-60 minutes of LISS right now trying to cut up for summer (with 10g of BCAAs).

i was thinking 20 mins of LISS 2-3x a week while bulking, for general heart health?[/quote]

Exactly what I do.
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ha, i think i got the idea from one of your threads too! your advice never steers me wrong lol

im actually starting to notice a sort of “buzz” from a high fat meal. i remember this feeling last time i did the AD too. different from a high carb meal for sure.

boneless, skinless chicken thighs… amazing

if you know how to make your own dry rub do that or you can use a pre-made one.

let them sit over night and then bake for 20-25 mins. idk if i can ever go back chicken breasts

[quote]MAF14 wrote:
boneless, skinless chicken thighs… amazing

if you know how to make your own dry rub do that or you can use a pre-made one.

let them sit over night and then bake for 20-25 mins. idk if i can ever go back chicken breasts[/quote]

Dude, the bonez are the best part!

Though you should try this though,

Roast skinless chicken legs/thighs for 45 mins on lowish heat(until crispy).

Chop chicken into pieces, and place to one side.
Get 1 bag if broccoli, steam or boil until soft.

1 block of cheese(this is too taste, I like White cheddar), chop into cubes
6 - 8 whole eggs beaten

Place chicken, broccoli, cheese and egg mixture into a circular baking tin(the ones for making tortes or pies)

Bake in oven for 20 minutes, melt remaining cheese over the top and ta da.

The ultimate AD fratata.

[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:

[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Discovered zero-carb pancakes this morning:
4 large eggs
2 ~100g italian sausage links
2oz feta cheese
oregano, black pepper, garlic powder to taste

Blender. Hit liquify until it reaches batter consistency. Throw on a skillet with some olive oil. It does stick together just like a pancake! And it’s delicious![/quote]

ive got everything except the feta cheese, damnitttttt. will mozzarella substitute for the feta? lol[/quote]

Only one way to find out! I have discovered that the cheese is crucial…otherwise it won’t be held together so well.