Anabolic Diet

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[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:
i dont know about you guys, but regardless of diet i ALWAYS use 15g of BCAAs, 2g citurlline malata, and 5g of glutamine (in a premade mix) before workouts. easier and cheaper than all those wheys, isolate, caseins, hydrolyzed this and that. just sayin lol.[/quote]

i have 3 tubs coming in the mail… 12 bucks each on a special so i figured why not

what flavors do you like[/quote]

watermelon and lemon lime, and orange are by far my favourite

green apple is a close 2nd, so is grape. grape is realllyyy strong though and almost tastes chemically, so dilute it in a ton of water.

lemonade is absolutely disgusting, i could barely choke it down. havent tried blue raspberry yet cause i hate that flavour in general lol.[/quote]

i got one watermelon, one grape and one orange. def a good product. i was taking pretty much the same thing with 5 grams creatine before but the B6 and citruline malate absolutely make a difference… i felt pretty “fresh” at the end of my session kind of like when i was using SWF

question though. i usually just sip on it through out my workout normally lasting 90 mins… you say you just drink it all pre-workout?[/quote]

i start sipping on it on the way to the gym (15 min drive) then sip throughout and finish it off on the way home. workouts usually 60-90 mins. my bottle is only 600ml so i put 4 scoops in, and once i finish half i refill it so it lasts the whole workout, so approximately 4 scoops to 1L water. i forgot to mention i add in 5g of plain ole creatine mono.

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[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

[quote]print wrote:
Speaking of supps. Any you guys try DiPasquale’s supps geared towards this diet?[/quote]

I think for the most part supps dont do much but drain your wallet… I gave up on them along time ago. All I ever take is 1 or 2 protien shakes a day. On AD Im getting tons of protien anyhow[/quote]

yah sups arent cheap but they way i justify it is im spending money on things that benefit my health and a hobby while 90% of other kids are spending similar amounts getting high and eating fast food

but you’re right, you absolutely dont NEED supps but they do make things more fun/interesting lol[/quote]

OK I’ll bite and jump in with my opinion . . . Yes 95% of sups are crap (taking out PH and anabolic’s) but I do agree with you that it makes it fun and is part of a hobby.

Now in saying all that I think depending on your age some supps really do help for example as you age you don’t recover as fast some supps geared towards recovery will really help some people. Again as your T levels drop a TEST booster could be beneficial as well however, as a young age is a total waste of time and money. And for those people that can’t get up and go in the morning the ever so popular stimulants on the market now may help them.

The thing with supps is this, some of the crap products on the market only work for the simple reason that people naturally train harder when they think they are taking something that will help them. So its there hard work NOT the supplement that is making the gains.

Now for the everyday gym rat just trying to look good in a T-shirt again supps are probably as waste of money excluding protein but even that can be a waste of money because most peoples diet is crap. So if a normal gym rat ate the proper diet and got that going properly first then in the beginning he could get by without any supps but if and when the gym rat advances to an elite level of competition then supps can give him that small edge to pull past his competition and once again it (depending on what it is) will help him recover fast thus allowing him to train harder and more frequent (frequent meaning - you don’t have to wait 2 weeks after squats to squat heavy again lol)

Diet is key and supps should just be THAT supplements to fill in the SMALL gaps in your already GOOD DIET!

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[quote]Quadzilla4425 wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:

[quote]print wrote:

Now in saying all that I think depending on your age some supps really do help for example as you age you don’t recover as fast some supps geared towards recovery will really help some people.

The thing with supps is this, some of the crap products on the market only work for the simple reason that people naturally train harder when they think they are taking something that will help them. So its there hard work NOT the supplement that is making the gains.

Diet is key and supps should just be THAT supplements to fill in the SMALL gaps in your already GOOD DIET!
[/quote]

I agree. I’m still young but some days I do kind of feel it in the gym. MAG-10 has been the single best supplement I’ve taken in a while. When I was younger I was about supplements and I really got nowhere. The best supplements are knowledge and drive. Leading to the next stupidity related to age was taking the Andro products. It’s likely a combination of those and stress but I’m a friggin’ 34year old TRT patient and will be forever. Did the Andro products get me anywhere, nope. After reading one of Dr. DiPasquale’s articles they were really only good for one thing anyway, covering up real steroids. LOL. Spend your money wisely. For me Creatine, MAG-10, some protein shakes, and various nutrients (fish oil, vitamins, etc) are the best spends for money. All else is a toss-up.

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[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:
i dont know about you guys, but regardless of diet i ALWAYS use 15g of BCAAs, 2g citurlline malata, and 5g of glutamine (in a premade mix) before workouts. easier and cheaper than all those wheys, isolate, caseins, hydrolyzed this and that. just sayin lol.[/quote]

i have 3 tubs coming in the mail… 12 bucks each on a special so i figured why not

what flavors do you like[/quote]

watermelon and lemon lime, and orange are by far my favourite

green apple is a close 2nd, so is grape. grape is realllyyy strong though and almost tastes chemically, so dilute it in a ton of water.

lemonade is absolutely disgusting, i could barely choke it down. havent tried blue raspberry yet cause i hate that flavour in general lol.[/quote]

i got one watermelon, one grape and one orange. def a good product. i was taking pretty much the same thing with 5 grams creatine before but the B6 and citruline malate absolutely make a difference… i felt pretty “fresh” at the end of my session kind of like when i was using SWF

question though. i usually just sip on it through out my workout normally lasting 90 mins… you say you just drink it all pre-workout?[/quote]

i start sipping on it on the way to the gym (15 min drive) then sip throughout and finish it off on the way home. workouts usually 60-90 mins. my bottle is only 600ml so i put 4 scoops in, and once i finish half i refill it so it lasts the whole workout, so approximately 4 scoops to 1L water. i forgot to mention i add in 5g of plain ole creatine mono.[/quote]

RE: amino acids…

IIRC, Bushidobadboy stated (in the BCAA dosing thread) that muscle protein synthesis is determined by the rate of increase in amino acids in the body. If I’m interpreting this correctly, I’d say that slamming all of your AA’s pre-workout would be better than slowly sipping them. He also suggested 10g of leucine 15min before taking your aminos. He also recommended EAA’s instead of BCAA’s as EAA’s are a complete protein source.

My current preworkout supps are:

right before I walk out the door to the gym I slam 10g leucine
Drink a spike double shot on the way to the gym
Right as I pull up to the gym (15min later) 10g of EAA’s (all at once)
Quick warm up and lift for 60-90 min depending on what day it is
(If I do LISS after I lift, I’ll have 5g EAA’s inbetween lifting and cardio)

Post workout meal that almost always consists of:

6 XL organic brown eggs
3 slices thick cut gourmet bacon
1 avocado
8-12 oz NY strip or similar fatty cut of steak

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Print, I have no idea how many cals I get in with those shakes. I haven’t counted calories since the second day of my introduction phase. Plus, it depends on how many cals I want/need that day, when my next meal is, etc…

Bottom line, I just pour a shitload of oil and cream in there.

I also tried:

water
choc whey
light flavored olive oil
heavy cream

and it turned out awesome, too. I think I might try putting a bit of cochamine in it next time.

And whoever asked about putting cream in your eggs, I guess I should’ve mentioned that it only works with scrambled eggs. Crack your eggs in a cup/bowl, dump some cream in there, and scramble them how you normally would.

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And lastly, lol, my thoughts on supps on this diet:

It depends on your definition of supplements, but stuff like:

protein powder
fish oils
coconut oil
fiber supp
flax oil/flax seeds

are all MASSIVELY beneficial on a diet like this.

There’s tons of research backing up the basics like creatine, amino acids, and leucine, too.

That said, I do agree that most supps are crap, but we all know that. Don’t be an idiot about supp use on the AD just like you wouldn’t be an idiot on any other diet, lol.

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10 days in & this is the first day I’ve felt like total shit. Lethargic, slow, & more importantly really flat feeling & looking. Even w/all the food I’m eating & using Ry-Ry’s suggestions of root beer/cream, (which btw has been a savior to me for quick calories) I was wondering if any of you guys felt this in the initial phase?

I’m not counting calories either, just eating constantly. Increased my morning protein shake to about 1600 cals just to attempt to get more in me.

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[quote]print wrote:
10 days in & this is the first day I’ve felt like total shit. Lethargic, slow, & more importantly really flat feeling & looking. Even w/all the food I’m eating & using Ry-Ry’s suggestions of root beer/cream, (which btw has been a savior to me for quick calories) I was wondering if any of you guys felt this in the initial phase?

I’m not counting calories either, just eating constantly. Increased my morning protein shake to about 1600 cals just to attempt to get more in me.[/quote]

Yeah, I think everybody goes through this. You’re 10 days in, 2 to go hang in there and you get a carb-up. At some point you’ll want to start tracking your calories though.

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Thanks Jay. No worries bout hanging in there. As I said in a few other posts, this has been incredibly easy for outside of today. I’m sure it’s more disappointment w/the feeling flat that it is anything else.

& yeah, I’ll start keeping a tighter track on cals in the upcoming week. I do believe it was you that recommended the Anabolic Solution book? I’ve got that on order. So i should really have much more info than just coming in here & hounding you guys every 2 minutes.

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[quote]print wrote:
Thanks Jay. No worries bout hanging in there. As I said in a few other posts, this has been incredibly easy for outside of today. I’m sure it’s more disappointment w/the feeling flat that it is anything else.

& yeah, I’ll start keeping a tighter track on cals in the upcoming week. I do believe it was you that recommended the Anabolic Solution book? I’ve got that on order. So i should really have much more info than just coming in here & hounding you guys every 2 minutes.[/quote]

I’ll second all of the above . . Hang in there as I know you will . . and tracking your cals and all that I’m sorry is a must on this diet if you really want to succeed at it. Without tracking everything accurately you will have no way of correcting or adjusting things as you go. There are some really great apps out there to help you with this. I use MyfitnessPal for the Iphone . . couldn’t do it without it.

Now as for feeling like crap I didn’t have that problem but flat??? OMG!!! Not that I’m an ego monkey or anything but near the end it was even playing with my ego but after the carb up he! he! he! I was all smiles. My carb ups now are amazing and now by Saturday night I’m all swelled up like a balloon and looking for a smaller T-Shirt lol (as if) . .

Funny story . . lets just say my bench since I have started this diet has been through the roof. So, I’m doing some work out back when my GF little girl comes up to me (as I’m sipping one of my yummy super shakes) and says . . . “why are your tita’s bigger than my moms?” . . well after I spit my shake out I finished killing myself laughing . . in short . . carb ups ROCK!!! lol

Well my morning ham and eggs are done so off I go to train upper back . . cheers to all

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[quote]Quadzilla4425 wrote:

[quote]print wrote:
Thanks Jay. No worries bout hanging in there. As I said in a few other posts, this has been incredibly easy for outside of today. I’m sure it’s more disappointment w/the feeling flat that it is anything else.

& yeah, I’ll start keeping a tighter track on cals in the upcoming week. I do believe it was you that recommended the Anabolic Solution book? I’ve got that on order. So i should really have much more info than just coming in here & hounding you guys every 2 minutes.[/quote]

I’ll second all of the above . . Hang in there as I know you will . . and tracking your cals and all that I’m sorry is a must on this diet if you really want to succeed at it. Without tracking everything accurately you will have no way of correcting or adjusting things as you go. There are some really great apps out there to help you with this. I use MyfitnessPal for the Iphone . . couldn’t do it without it.

Now as for feeling like crap I didn’t have that problem but flat??? OMG!!! Not that I’m an ego monkey or anything but near the end it was even playing with my ego but after the carb up he! he! he! I was all smiles. My carb ups now are amazing and now by Saturday night I’m all swelled up like a balloon and looking for a smaller T-Shirt lol (as if) . .

Funny story . . lets just say my bench since I have started this diet has been through the roof. So, I’m doing some work out back when my GF little girl comes up to me (as I’m sipping one of my yummy super shakes) and says . . . “why are your tita’s bigger than my moms?” . . well after I spit my shake out I finished killing myself laughing . . in short . . carb ups ROCK!!! lol

Well my morning ham and eggs are done so off I go to train upper back . . cheers to all
[/quote]

finally started to use a calorie counter to figure out where i’m at its incredibly beneficial. i use fitday dot com and its super easy and lets me know that i’m unfortunately an under eater

@ ~170lbs most days I can see myself getting in 2500-3000 cals which is a bit low for what my goals are

Also, when breaking down the diet is it based off the number of grams you eat or a percentage of your daily caloric intake …
Ex// today i had 250G of fat and 200 G protein and 30 G Carbs then its about 52% fat 40% protein 6% carbs
OR
Ex// 2200cals fat 800 cals protein 121 cals protein = 70%fat 25%protein 6%carbs

Any help would be awesome

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[quote]Quadzilla4425 wrote:

[quote]print wrote:
Thanks Jay. No worries bout hanging in there. As I said in a few other posts, this has been incredibly easy for outside of today. I’m sure it’s more disappointment w/the feeling flat that it is anything else.

& yeah, I’ll start keeping a tighter track on cals in the upcoming week. I do believe it was you that recommended the Anabolic Solution book? I’ve got that on order. So i should really have much more info than just coming in here & hounding you guys every 2 minutes.[/quote]

I’ll second all of the above . . Hang in there as I know you will . . and tracking your cals and all that I’m sorry is a must on this diet if you really want to succeed at it. Without tracking everything accurately you will have no way of correcting or adjusting things as you go. There are some really great apps out there to help you with this. I use MyfitnessPal for the Iphone . . couldn’t do it without it.

Now as for feeling like crap I didn’t have that problem but flat??? OMG!!! Not that I’m an ego monkey or anything but near the end it was even playing with my ego but after the carb up he! he! he! I was all smiles. My carb ups now are amazing and now by Saturday night I’m all swelled up like a balloon and looking for a smaller T-Shirt lol (as if) . .

Funny story . . lets just say my bench since I have started this diet has been through the roof. So, I’m doing some work out back when my GF little girl comes up to me (as I’m sipping one of my yummy super shakes) and says . . . “why are your tita’s bigger than my moms?” . . well after I spit my shake out I finished killing myself laughing . . in short . . carb ups ROCK!!! lol

Well my morning ham and eggs are done so off I go to train upper back . . cheers to all
[/quote]

Yes, Hang in there man. I didn’t have a crash myself, but I heard horror stories!

As far as the counting calories goes, I’ve recently stopped (within the last 1.5 months). I stooped due to some hectic stuff coming up, but I haven’t found any real adverse effects. I guess it’s because I have an IDEA of how many I’m taking in.

I’ve been setting my weeks up due to POUNDS OF MEAT. For instance, this week I cooked 3.3lbs of steak, 3.5 lbs of ground beef, and 10lbs of chicken. I also eat about 12 eggs a day, and a good handfull of wallnuts… So if I don’t gain weight that week I just up the poundage of meat.

I feel like I’ll start counting again when I cut. Or when I need to count them for a day to get an idea of what I’m taking in… It’s not hard for me to do b/c I have have everything in excel. (Figure1)

(If you look at this picture you can see that I plan out my year when it comes to nutrition, goals, and training… Just look at the tabs at the bottom and you’ll get an idea.)

Good luck man, Don’t quit. The start of AD is the hardest.
JK

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[quote]benjafflolz wrote:

[quote]Quadzilla4425 wrote:

[quote]print wrote:
Thanks Jay. No worries bout hanging in there. As I said in a few other posts, this has been incredibly easy for outside of today. I’m sure it’s more disappointment w/the feeling flat that it is anything else.

& yeah, I’ll start keeping a tighter track on cals in the upcoming week. I do believe it was you that recommended the Anabolic Solution book? I’ve got that on order. So i should really have much more info than just coming in here & hounding you guys every 2 minutes.[/quote]

I’ll second all of the above . . Hang in there as I know you will . . and tracking your cals and all that I’m sorry is a must on this diet if you really want to succeed at it. Without tracking everything accurately you will have no way of correcting or adjusting things as you go. There are some really great apps out there to help you with this. I use MyfitnessPal for the Iphone . . couldn’t do it without it.

Now as for feeling like crap I didn’t have that problem but flat??? OMG!!! Not that I’m an ego monkey or anything but near the end it was even playing with my ego but after the carb up he! he! he! I was all smiles. My carb ups now are amazing and now by Saturday night I’m all swelled up like a balloon and looking for a smaller T-Shirt lol (as if) . .

Funny story . . lets just say my bench since I have started this diet has been through the roof. So, I’m doing some work out back when my GF little girl comes up to me (as I’m sipping one of my yummy super shakes) and says . . . “why are your tita’s bigger than my moms?” . . well after I spit my shake out I finished killing myself laughing . . in short . . carb ups ROCK!!! lol

Well my morning ham and eggs are done so off I go to train upper back . . cheers to all
[/quote]

finally started to use a calorie counter to figure out where i’m at its incredibly beneficial. i use fitday dot com and its super easy and lets me know that i’m unfortunately an under eater

@ ~170lbs most days I can see myself getting in 2500-3000 cals which is a bit low for what my goals are

Also, when breaking down the diet is it based off the number of grams you eat or a percentage of your daily caloric intake …
Ex// today i had 250G of fat and 200 G protein and 30 G Carbs then its about 52% fat 40% protein 6% carbs
OR
Ex// 2200cals fat 800 cals protein 121 cals protein = 70%fat 25%protein 6%carbs

Any help would be awesome

[/quote]

Hmmmm? now that is an interesting question . . I have never really thought about how my % are calculated in MyFitnessPal . . . My %'s are always higher than the prescribed but I never really worry about it as long as I’m under the 30 grams in carbs but still interesting point.

I just kept on upping the cals and all that till I started to see gains in my Mass Phase. . . personally for me as long as I never go above 1.5 g per pound in protein than I’m fine. Just my feeling on the high protein intake issue and I’m sure I’m wrong in thinking that. . .

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[quote]JK29 wrote:

[quote]Quadzilla4425 wrote:

[quote]print wrote:
Thanks Jay. No worries bout hanging in there. As I said in a few other posts, this has been incredibly easy for outside of today. I’m sure it’s more disappointment w/the feeling flat that it is anything else.

& yeah, I’ll start keeping a tighter track on cals in the upcoming week. I do believe it was you that recommended the Anabolic Solution book? I’ve got that on order. So i should really have much more info than just coming in here & hounding you guys every 2 minutes.[/quote]

I’ll second all of the above . . Hang in there as I know you will . . and tracking your cals and all that I’m sorry is a must on this diet if you really want to succeed at it. Without tracking everything accurately you will have no way of correcting or adjusting things as you go. There are some really great apps out there to help you with this. I use MyfitnessPal for the Iphone . . couldn’t do it without it.

Now as for feeling like crap I didn’t have that problem but flat??? OMG!!! Not that I’m an ego monkey or anything but near the end it was even playing with my ego but after the carb up he! he! he! I was all smiles. My carb ups now are amazing and now by Saturday night I’m all swelled up like a balloon and looking for a smaller T-Shirt lol (as if) . .

Funny story . . lets just say my bench since I have started this diet has been through the roof. So, I’m doing some work out back when my GF little girl comes up to me (as I’m sipping one of my yummy super shakes) and says . . . “why are your tita’s bigger than my moms?” . . well after I spit my shake out I finished killing myself laughing . . in short . . carb ups ROCK!!! lol

Well my morning ham and eggs are done so off I go to train upper back . . cheers to all
[/quote]

Yes, Hang in there man. I didn’t have a crash myself, but I heard horror stories!

As far as the counting calories goes, I’ve recently stopped (within the last 1.5 months). I stooped due to some hectic stuff coming up, but I haven’t found any real adverse effects. I guess it’s because I have an IDEA of how many I’m taking in.

I’ve been setting my weeks up due to POUNDS OF MEAT. For instance, this week I cooked 3.3lbs of steak, 3.5 lbs of ground beef, and 10lbs of chicken. I also eat about 12 eggs a day, and a good handfull of wallnuts… So if I don’t gain weight that week I just up the poundage of meat.

I feel like I’ll start counting again when I cut. Or when I need to count them for a day to get an idea of what I’m taking in… It’s not hard for me to do b/c I have have everything in excel. (Figure1)

(If you look at this picture you can see that I plan out my year when it comes to nutrition, goals, and training… Just look at the tabs at the bottom and you’ll get an idea.)

Good luck man, Don’t quit. The start of AD is the hardest.
JK
[/quote]

Now that is what I call tracking JK . . . Good for you buddy . . FitnessPal is close to that with graphs and all that and as for my training I keep a detailed log in a book to avoid any crashes.

Any thoughts on going over 1.5 per pound in protein?

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[quote]Quadzilla4425 wrote:

[quote]print wrote:
Thanks Jay. No worries bout hanging in there. As I said in a few other posts, this has been incredibly easy for outside of today. I’m sure it’s more disappointment w/the feeling flat that it is anything else.

& yeah, I’ll start keeping a tighter track on cals in the upcoming week. I do believe it was you that recommended the Anabolic Solution book? I’ve got that on order. So i should really have much more info than just coming in here & hounding you guys every 2 minutes.[/quote]

I’ll second all of the above . . Hang in there as I know you will . . and tracking your cals and all that I’m sorry is a must on this diet if you really want to succeed at it. Without tracking everything accurately you will have no way of correcting or adjusting things as you go. There are some really great apps out there to help you with this. I use MyfitnessPal for the Iphone . . couldn’t do it without it.

Now as for feeling like crap I didn’t have that problem but flat??? OMG!!! Not that I’m an ego monkey or anything but near the end it was even playing with my ego but after the carb up he! he! he! I was all smiles. My carb ups now are amazing and now by Saturday night I’m all swelled up like a balloon and looking for a smaller T-Shirt lol (as if) . .

Funny story . . lets just say my bench since I have started this diet has been through the roof. So, I’m doing some work out back when my GF little girl comes up to me (as I’m sipping one of my yummy super shakes) and says . . . “why are your tita’s bigger than my moms?” . . well after I spit my shake out I finished killing myself laughing . . in short . . carb ups ROCK!!! lol

Well my morning ham and eggs are done so off I go to train upper back . . cheers to all
[/quote]

Thats funny shit man… My baby girl would grab at my pecs too & think maybe milk… I told her the well was dry

In regards to counting cals once you have gone a month or so counting cals and have a good idea of what a perfect day on AD is like low carb and carb up you can pretty much do it without counting. If in a cutting phase you should probably count to make sure but on maintence phase as long as you are at 30g you can almost not screw it up. I havent yet tried the bulking phase as maintence seems to do the trick for getting bigger and leaner so I havent messed with it

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@Quadzilla: I don’t put much stock into the 1.5 mark. I focus more on the percentages. I go over 1.5 every day but my % of protein is around 30-35 consistently.

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To anybody that has done a successful cut with AD, how long did it take to notice a real improvement in Ab visibility?

Obviously I’m trying to cut bodyfat and it seems to be taking a while. I’m consuming 2,200 - 2,3000 calories per day right now and easily staying under 30carbs. I’m 6’ tall 211 as of last Sat. Based on older caliper tests visually I’d say I’m about 15% bodyfat but I’m not 100% on that one. Any recommendations on the diet? I’ve considered dropping down to just one carb-up day on the weekend.

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So, I originally posted this question in another thread, but on the advice of others, thought I’d repost it here (sorry for duplicating):

I’m in the middle of the induction phase of the Anabolic diet (the 12 day period of high fat, high protein, very low carb) and I have a long cycling event (100 mile ride, I’ll be burning almost 5000 calories over about 7 hours) scheduled for what will be day 6 of this.

Any of you guys that have done cycling realize how big a deal carb intake is for longer rides, and how dumb I probably am to attempt this.

Yes, I’m probably stupid for trying this, I’ll own that. But I’m just curious to see what you think – should I stay strict to the AD during the ride (I figure a lot of string cheese and maybe some deli meat taken with me could possibly work) or is it ok to have a carb day on day 6, given the circumstances?

Thanks,

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[quote]hankinstien wrote:
So, I originally posted this question in another thread, but on the advice of others, thought I’d repost it here (sorry for duplicating):

I’m in the middle of the induction phase of the Anabolic diet (the 12 day period of high fat, high protein, very low carb) and I have a long cycling event (100 mile ride, I’ll be burning almost 5000 calories over about 7 hours) scheduled for what will be day 6 of this.

Any of you guys that have done cycling realize how big a deal carb intake is for longer rides, and how dumb I probably am to attempt this.

Yes, I’m probably stupid for trying this, I’ll own that. But I’m just curious to see what you think – should I stay strict to the AD during the ride (I figure a lot of string cheese and maybe some deli meat taken with me could possibly work) or is it ok to have a carb day on day 6, given the circumstances?

Thanks, [/quote]

How bad do you want to win? :wink:

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:
i dont know about you guys, but regardless of diet i ALWAYS use 15g of BCAAs, 2g citurlline malata, and 5g of glutamine (in a premade mix) before workouts. easier and cheaper than all those wheys, isolate, caseins, hydrolyzed this and that. just sayin lol.[/quote]

i have 3 tubs coming in the mail… 12 bucks each on a special so i figured why not

what flavors do you like[/quote]

watermelon and lemon lime, and orange are by far my favourite

green apple is a close 2nd, so is grape. grape is realllyyy strong though and almost tastes chemically, so dilute it in a ton of water.

lemonade is absolutely disgusting, i could barely choke it down. havent tried blue raspberry yet cause i hate that flavour in general lol.[/quote]

i got one watermelon, one grape and one orange. def a good product. i was taking pretty much the same thing with 5 grams creatine before but the B6 and citruline malate absolutely make a difference… i felt pretty “fresh” at the end of my session kind of like when i was using SWF

question though. i usually just sip on it through out my workout normally lasting 90 mins… you say you just drink it all pre-workout?[/quote]

i start sipping on it on the way to the gym (15 min drive) then sip throughout and finish it off on the way home. workouts usually 60-90 mins. my bottle is only 600ml so i put 4 scoops in, and once i finish half i refill it so it lasts the whole workout, so approximately 4 scoops to 1L water. i forgot to mention i add in 5g of plain ole creatine mono.[/quote]

RE: amino acids…

IIRC, Bushidobadboy stated (in the BCAA dosing thread) that muscle protein synthesis is determined by the rate of increase in amino acids in the body. If I’m interpreting this correctly, I’d say that slamming all of your AA’s pre-workout would be better than slowly sipping them. He also suggested 10g of leucine 15min before taking your aminos. He also recommended EAA’s instead of BCAA’s as EAA’s are a complete protein source.

My current preworkout supps are:

right before I walk out the door to the gym I slam 10g leucine
Drink a spike double shot on the way to the gym
Right as I pull up to the gym (15min later) 10g of EAA’s (all at once)
Quick warm up and lift for 60-90 min depending on what day it is
(If I do LISS after I lift, I’ll have 5g EAA’s inbetween lifting and cardio)

Post workout meal that almost always consists of:

6 XL organic brown eggs
3 slices thick cut gourmet bacon
1 avocado
8-12 oz NY strip or similar fatty cut of steak[/quote]

hmm…very, very interesting stuff. thanks. i took leucine a while back but never noticed anything, maybe ill have to try it out again. tastes like puke though, what do you flavour it with? ive got a huge surplus of BCAAs now lol so when theyre done ill try out EAAs. any particular brand? i was looking at some humapro because so many guys here recommend it.