[quote]Terrax wrote:
OK so im in the middle of day 2 on my carb up. Dayum nigguh, this rocks! I’m starting to feel the drowsiness and sleepyness associated with all the carbs. But I can definitely feel that tomorrow im gonna have a lot more energy and pumps in the gym.[/quote]
Way to go buddy glad its working for you. Yes the carb coma can be a bit much till you find the right combo that works for you. My first carb up I made it to about 4 PM stretched out on my couch and woke up 2 hours later. Now I do a slow ramp up and it works well for me.
OK stop the presses!!! Am I missing something or what??? . . I just logged onto the good Dr.'s web site and clicked on the sample diets for various cals per day . . they give 2 different samples . . strict and moderate and HELLO!!! The carbs are all well over 125 - 200g for the moderate and close to 100 g for the strict!!! I have been killing myself staying under 30 g (usually at 19 - 29g/day) and now I see the samples . . .hmmm? am I missing something because if I can go past the 30g limit even up to 60 that frees up a lot of stuff . . .and the book states that after the shift of 12 days you can experiment and up them as high as 100g if you need to. I function perfectly fine at 22g but there are days its hard to hit 4500 and still be under 30g and I track EVERYTHING . . . feedback???
BTW Monster shakes are going well . . .Might go out for sushi later . . all you can eat of course lol
I’d say if you function perfectly fine at the 20-30 range, stay there. If it’s not broken…
Good to hear your power shake is going well. I’m on around 5k for the day as it stands now. Had a 1/2 gallon of chocolate milk, large pan pizza, and six waffles w/ 1/2 cup of syrup. I have some work to do tonight…
Well as for the 22 g thing . . I will relax a bit. I was going to have two more protein shakes a day to up my clean protein but there is 4g of carbs per shake thus putting me over. However, now in light of the good book I will add them and see how that goes.
reading your post made me hungry . . time to start dinner . . think I’ll have some perogies and full sour cream . . got to love the carb ups then one more super shake later on after the popcorn with the movie.
Guys, you should keep carbs UNDER 30. Don’t worry about trying to get exactly 30. There are days when I probably get 4-5 grams once I take out the fiber.
My above point about the whole carb thing was really not so much the whole 30g/day thing as my posted diet and posts clearly states that I am always well under 30 grams a day.
However when eating close to 5000 cals a day it can be a slight challenge to keep it under 30. So after re-reading the good book (Metabolic Diet for Powerlifters) it talked about going over that amount during the MASS phase and gave suggested diets on the web site. So I logged onto CoachesSOS.com to review there suggested meal plans for 4500 cals a day. They have 2 sample diets for different phases of the AD . . one is MODERATE during MASS phase and STRICT for STRENGTH and then YES the normal 30 grams a day for the CUTTING.
So Dr.'s suggested meal plans on MASS are in and around 170 grams a day, STRICT is close to 100 Grams a day and then back to 30 grams a day for the CUTTING.
Sooooo . . lol . . all I was really saying is to increase my (clean) protein I wanted to add 2 more shakes to my daily diet thus putting me slightly over my usually low carb intake and I was worried BUT after seeing ALL of the sample meal plans I will sleep better (lol) knowing if you go slightly over the whole thing will not fall apart during the MASS phase.
For example if I was to eat 18 ex-lg eggs a day that alone would put me at 18 grams before anything else and like I said I’m at close to 4500 - 5000 cals a day so it does get a bit tricky.
However, again most days I can honestly say even before I subtract my fiber I’m still under 30 so ALL is good just nice to know that if I up my protein shakes a bolt of lightening won’t hit me from the good Dr. lol
Again, I will say this diet at least in my experimentation is a bit hard to gain MASS say over other diets but the gains you do get are YES just mass so its just a matter of finding the science that works for your body and pocket book to get the MASS gains you want. . . BUT for CUTTING . . HANDS DOWN the AD is KING!!!
OK time for my super shake, up just shy of 5 pounds for this carb up so far . . have a great day guys
That’s really interesting. I have read the AD but not the MD so I 'm not quite sure of what changes were made. I haven’t been following AD but I do keep my carbs very low on non-workout (<30g) and on lifting days it varies from 100g-150g depending upon the workout (leg vs chest for example). After reading your post it would appear I’m not that far off from what the Dr. prescribed for strength.
[quote]shffl wrote:
That’s really interesting. I have read the AD but not the MD so I 'm not quite sure of what changes were made. I haven’t been following AD but I do keep my carbs very low on non-workout (<30g) and on lifting days it varies from 100g-150g depending upon the workout (leg vs chest for example). After reading your post it would appear I’m not that far off from what the Dr. prescribed for strength.[/quote]
Yes I must say it was very interesting and not that I would up my carbs that high by any means but nice to know that if I hit 40 a few times all is still good.
And it put the whole diet into a more realistic light during the mass phase because I was like OMG what can I eat that doesn’t blow me over at such a high daily cal range. . . so do I get like a gold star for hitting 5000 cals and still being at 22 - 31 grams a day unlike the book suggests or says is ok? lol
[quote]shffl wrote:
That’s really interesting. I have read the AD but not the MD so I 'm not quite sure of what changes were made. I haven’t been following AD but I do keep my carbs very low on non-workout (<30g) and on lifting days it varies from 100g-150g depending upon the workout (leg vs chest for example). After reading your post it would appear I’m not that far off from what the Dr. prescribed for strength.[/quote]
Yes I must say it was very interesting and not that I would up my carbs that high by any means but nice to know that if I hit 40 a few times all is still good.
And it put the whole diet into a more realistic light during the mass phase because I was like OMG what can I eat that doesn’t blow me over at such a high daily cal range. . . so do I get like a gold star for hitting 5000 cals and still being at 22 - 31 grams a day unlike the book suggests or says is ok? lol
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Bro I would give you a banana sticker but I’m all out… or maybe a low carb cookie.
I would advise you to find a good zero-carb protein powder. That will make things much easier. I get about the same number of calories everyday too, sticking tho 30 g CHO isn’t that tough, in my opinion.
[quote]shffl wrote:
That’s really interesting. I have read the AD but not the MD so I 'm not quite sure of what changes were made. I haven’t been following AD but I do keep my carbs very low on non-workout (<30g) and on lifting days it varies from 100g-150g depending upon the workout (leg vs chest for example). After reading your post it would appear I’m not that far off from what the Dr. prescribed for strength.[/quote]
Yes I must say it was very interesting and not that I would up my carbs that high by any means but nice to know that if I hit 40 a few times all is still good.
And it put the whole diet into a more realistic light during the mass phase because I was like OMG what can I eat that doesn’t blow me over at such a high daily cal range. . . so do I get like a gold star for hitting 5000 cals and still being at 22 - 31 grams a day unlike the book suggests or says is ok? lol
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Bro I would give you a banana sticker but I’m all out… or maybe a low carb cookie.[/quote]
OK buddy I read your reply while checking out at the food store earlier today and OMG I burst out laughing so hard I made the lady in front jump so TY . . lol
[quote]JohnnyChainsaw wrote:
I would advise you to find a good zero-carb protein powder. That will make things much easier. I get about the same number of calories everyday too, sticking tho 30 g CHO isn’t that tough, in my opinion. [/quote]
Nope I totally agree and it does take a bit of work and smart shopping but YES 30g once you get in the swing of things isn’t to hard just nice to have the option to swing over if needed. The diet is all USER dependant. As with all things in life, the more time and effort you put into it the better the results will be.
I just spent the last 3 hours cooking and portioning off my food for the next week maybe even two. I make it all in advance and then freeze it so I can just grab it and go later on throughout the week.
I think for my last carb up meal for the day I’ll have a pizza. . . then my popcorn with my movie later and last but not least yet another super shake . . yum yum you just got to love it!!!
Gentlemen my carb up is over . . I swelled up like a balloon on Saturday night to bad I did have a BBQ to attend as I just looked fuller than ever before. Surprisingly I didn’t even bloat and OMG did I eat. I managed to down 3 super shakes a day along with my pasta yesterday and my pizza tonight. I’ll weigh myself in the morning and see what my starting point is for this week but man I feel great. BTW the reason I say I was surprised that I didn’t bloat is because I bloat sometimes just eating normal. My family all have large bellies so I guess its just my genetics trying to come out lol . . I’m joking of course . .so when I bloat I just hold my breath longer and still look good . . ha ha ha
On a serious note I really don’t miss my rice or other carbs at all really on this diet as my body has never really did well with carbs and its funny I never knew that till I tried this diet and like I said before I don’t miss the lazy feeling after every meal like I got before… I used to blame it on the fat in the meal, even if there was just a small amount. But now bring on the fat as I get a RUSH from it.
Well time to call it a weekend . . looking forward to my pork shoulder for breakfast.
Well after giving birth this morning its official . . best carb up ever . . up 7 pounds, my norm is 4 at this stage of the diet. However, I had a rough night my allergies kicked in at like 2 AM and wouldn’t let me sleep so I’m not sure how far I’ll get this morning in the gym then to top it off something bit my one eye and its swollen . . . hmmmm? . . .arrr! but we are up and trying to get the day on the go . . .yawn . . have a great week all! . . .
UPDATE: . . . well I must say the 7 pounds made a HUGE difference in the gym . . started out a bit rough with my allergies and being tired but once the EVOO kicked in and I found my grove I just had to GET-R-DONE and had the best leg workout in a long time . . . bottom line is this . . I’m to lite. . . I think Operation Extreme Variances will be repeated next weekend as well . . I mentally feel great . . . been a long time since I was happy after a leg workout
[quote]Quadzilla4425 wrote:
Well after giving birth this morning its official . . best carb up ever . . up 7 pounds, my norm is 4 at this stage of the diet. However, I had a rough night my allergies kicked in at like 2 AM and wouldn’t let me sleep so I’m not sure how far I’ll get this morning in the gym then to top it off something bit my one eye and its swollen . . . hmmmm? . . .arrr! but we are up and trying to get the day on the go . . .yawn . . have a great week all! . . .
UPDATE: . . . well I must say the 7 pounds made a HUGE difference in the gym . . started out a bit rough with my allergies and being tired but once the EVOO kicked in and I found my grove I just had to GET-R-DONE and had the best leg workout in a long time . . . bottom line is this . . I’m to lite. . . I think Operation Extreme Variances will be repeated next weekend as well . . I mentally feel great . . . been a long time since I was happy after a leg workout [/quote]
With allergie season in full swing I wonder what the affects of AD on it are. Its really hard not to slam a few glasses of oj or cook up some chicken noodle soup. I wonder if the lack of fruits on AD drops down the imune system?
I was plagued with allergies throughout high school…then I picked up lifting and I never had allergies since. True story. I can’t explain why though lol
I just got the book and want to start on Wednesday, had a few quick questions…
I have the power lifting version from 2002, is this the latest version? If not what has been tweaked?
I have a ton-o-fat to lose but I still want to get stronger, I’m guessing one re-feed day a week would be best, if I workout Mon,Wed,Fri should I do the re-carb on Saturday or Sunday?