You stated that this was done before a carb up day. I was wondering what your thoughts are on doing something of this sort on days after carb up. With my schedule I workout on weekdays (for now anyway) and my refeed on saturday. I’ve been toying with the idea of doing something similar to what you posted on the day after refeed where I have no workout to “deplete” carbs quicker. Of course the workout can’t be structured to interfere with progress on my normal workouts.
Thought Id throw my hat in on this one.
Being a FFB and not very good with carbs in the least bit Ive decided to go on the AD with a few Mods.
Im not starting at 18 X bw, rather 14 X BW as im trying to cut some BF over the next few months. Im using a different split of fats, 3/3/3. Well, kinda. Lets face it, cheese and steak is much more f**king tasty than olive oil.
Next, Instead of two whole carb up days ill be using a single carb up meal once a week(since im quite fat) and add more carbs as I get leaner.
Not looking forward to the “metabolic shift”, especially since I have exams this week lol.
Anyway, just wanted to subscribe to this post. I defiantly feel that for people that struggle with BF issues these kind of diets are the best. That and a high fat diet makes the most sense from both a logical stand point and a evolutionary standpoint.
Plus its fucking awesome when our eating 6 whole eggs in a sitting, cheese, sausage etc and people are like “wtf, I thought you were into health and stuff”.
Oh, I also wanted to ask you a question MADOK about the gaining phase of AD.
What kind of a rate should you aim to gain at if you didnt want to put on too much fat?
I know in the book the Doc says 2 lbs a week until you hit 10% bf or reach your target goal.
As someone who struggles with BF I dont think 2 lbs would be the greatest idea lol. What did you shoot for weekly when in your gaining phase?
Thankin ya in advance big man.
[quote]Oregand wrote:
a high fat diet makes the most sense from both a logical stand point and a evolutionary standpoint[/quote] It does ?
[quote]tolismann wrote:
[quote]Oregand wrote:
a high fat diet makes the most sense from both a logical stand point and a evolutionary standpoint[/quote] It does ?
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Edit:
To me it makes sense, should have written that better lol. I am in no position to give ultimatums.
anybody have any good ground beef recipes? it becomes a staple for me when im on the AD and it gets boring cooking it the same way all the time. i just load it up with cheese and some onions (5g carbs in 1/2 onion) and eat it lol.
Is it normal to feel increase heart rate/blood pressure when starting out with this? I know for a fact after I consume a meal (for example just now cheese and scrambled eggs) I sometimes feel the “heavy” feeling on my heart.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Its the cheese coating the inside of your heart. Don’t worry, once the plaques are formed it will go away.
Psychosomatic issue.[/quote]
I figure as much since the feeling goes away after a while. Just thought I’d shoot this question out there 
Speaking of cheese, I have a new found love for them in this diet 
[quote]wannabebig25 wrote:
anybody have any good ground beef recipes? it becomes a staple for me when im on the AD and it gets boring cooking it the same way all the time. i just load it up with cheese and some onions (5g carbs in 1/2 onion) and eat it lol.[/quote]
Low carb meat loaf.
2 lbs. extra lean ground beef
8 oz can of tomato sauce
3 T soy sauce (I use low sodium/lite soy sauce)
1 T onion powder
1 T dried parsley
ground black pepper to taste
4 cloves of garlic, minced
2 whole eggs (you could use Egg Beaters if you want… I used free range eggs)
1/2 c Parmesan cheese (you want the powdery kind, like Kraft in a can, not shreds. This is the binder).
1 piece of raw bacon (trust me. I used Hormel frozen bacon, 40 calories in 1 slice) cut up as fine as you can
Preheat oven to 350 degrees.
Mix everything together in a bowl. I use my hands. Mush it all up good.
Put the mixture into a casserole dish. Smooth the top a bit. Bake uncovered for 1 hour 10 minutes. I checked mine in the center with a meat thermometer (160+). Take it out of the oven and CAREFULLY pour off the fat. Do not hurt yourself. Let the meatloaf rest for 10 minutes, then serve
Good stuff. Maybe 4 or 5 g carbs per pound.
Heres an odd question,
Whats the say on chicken skin(roasted) while on the AD?
Is it still off limits or can you dig in since your after the fat as it is(keeping Kcals in check obviously).
I ask cause I was sitting in KFC with a group of friends and I was having some roasted chicken legs but was pulling the skin off. One of my mates was like “wtf man, the skin is the best part”. Then another friend said “oh its too fatting for him”.
So I just started thinking “why am I not eating the skin”? Its not fried and I want the fats?
I know its kinda off topic but im curious none the less.
well if it fits in with your macros then go for it, IMO
some people would just rather take the skin off and get the equivalent in cals from EVOO, natty PB etc
also, fwiw i think i remember reading somewhere that extra-muscular fat has a worse fatty-acid profile and more toxins than intramuscular fat… not sure how true that is though
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
also, fwiw i think i remember reading somewhere that extra-muscular fat has a worse fatty-acid profile and more toxins than intramuscular fat… not sure how true that is though[/quote]
can’t say how true it is either, but it certainly makes sense that an organism would prefer to isolate those toxins as much as possible and keep them separated from metabolically active (and vascular) muscle tissue
Hi!
I need some help from you guys.
I’m starting the AD but i’m having a bit of trouble believing how much calories i need to eat 
I’m 5’9/10 and 244lb or 179cm and 111kg.
Kinda fatty, yes
But should i start the AD with like 18xmy weight in lb’s ?!
That’s like 4392calories :o
Can you guys give me a help ? On the other hand the Cunningham (or whatever it’s called :D) formula said something on the rounds of 3750 so i was thinking of starting the AD on 3600cals.
What do you guys think ?
[quote]silvatomas wrote:
Hi!
I need some help from you guys.
I’m starting the AD but i’m having a bit of trouble believing how much calories i need to eat
I’m 5’9/10 and 244lb or 179cm and 111kg.
Kinda fatty, yes
But should i start the AD with like 18xmy weight in lb’s ?!
That’s like 4392calories :o
Can you guys give me a help ? On the other hand the Cunningham (or whatever it’s called :D) formula said something on the rounds of 3750 so i was thinking of starting the AD on 3600cals.
What do you guys think ?[/quote]
IME, those calculators are never accurate… i assume you’re trying to lose fat with the AD?
if so, i would just start by keeping your cals the same for now and switch to the AD style of eating for a couple weeks and see if its for you or not (i.e. you dont crash without carbs)
how many cals are you eating now? are you bulking still? are you transitioning into fat loss? the more info you give the better…
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]silvatomas wrote:
Hi!
I need some help from you guys.
I’m starting the AD but i’m having a bit of trouble believing how much calories i need to eat
I’m 5’9/10 and 244lb or 179cm and 111kg.
Kinda fatty, yes
But should i start the AD with like 18xmy weight in lb’s ?!
That’s like 4392calories :o
Can you guys give me a help ? On the other hand the Cunningham (or whatever it’s called :D) formula said something on the rounds of 3750 so i was thinking of starting the AD on 3600cals.
What do you guys think ?[/quote]
IME, those calculators are never accurate… i assume you’re trying to lose fat with the AD?
if so, i would just start by keeping your cals the same for now and switch to the AD style of eating for a couple weeks and see if its for you or not (i.e. you dont crash without carbs)
how many cals are you eating now? are you bulking still? are you transitioning into fat loss? the more info you give the better…[/quote]
Hi!
Thanks for the reply!
To be honest i haven’t dieted for a long time so i haven’t been controlling how much i eat lately.
I want to lose fat, shred everything i gained back after 2 years of doing nothing 
The calculators as i said point to 3700cals but i’m afraid that will be too much and i start gaining fat/weight fast…
Maybe i should start around 3300cal ? What do you think ?
Cheers!
[quote]silvatomas wrote:
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]silvatomas wrote:
Hi!
I need some help from you guys.
I’m starting the AD but i’m having a bit of trouble believing how much calories i need to eat
I’m 5’9/10 and 244lb or 179cm and 111kg.
Kinda fatty, yes
But should i start the AD with like 18xmy weight in lb’s ?!
That’s like 4392calories :o
Can you guys give me a help ? On the other hand the Cunningham (or whatever it’s called :D) formula said something on the rounds of 3750 so i was thinking of starting the AD on 3600cals.
What do you guys think ?[/quote]
IME, those calculators are never accurate… i assume you’re trying to lose fat with the AD?
if so, i would just start by keeping your cals the same for now and switch to the AD style of eating for a couple weeks and see if its for you or not (i.e. you dont crash without carbs)
how many cals are you eating now? are you bulking still? are you transitioning into fat loss? the more info you give the better…[/quote]
Hi!
Thanks for the reply!
To be honest i haven’t dieted for a long time so i haven’t been controlling how much i eat lately.
I want to lose fat, shred everything i gained back after 2 years of doing nothing
The calculators as i said point to 3700cals but i’m afraid that will be too much and i start gaining fat/weight fast…
Maybe i should start around 3300cal ? What do you think ?
Cheers![/quote]
if i were in your position i would start at 3250 cals per day, and have 1 carb up day per week. you can toy with the set up to see how your body reacts obviously…
i assume you are lifting HEAVY 4 or 5 times a week now?
Amen, Modok.
Sitll the best type of diet PERIOD.
DH
[quote]MODOK wrote:
[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
I used the AD for over 8 month continuously. I think the original book is obsolete simply due to the lack of vegetables and the absurd source of fats recommended ( sausages, fatty meat, beef jerky ect). In his second book he has a better&healthier list of foods and he also allows you to change your daily intake of carbs depending on your needs.
Here is how my diet looked like
Weekdays: 40% protein 55-60 fat and 50-100 grams of carbs a day with most of it coming post workout even tho the doc advise to take ur carbs before workout rather than after and take fatty whip cream along with your protein shake after!!!
weekends: carbs 60-70% fat 20-30 % protein lowwww
My main goals were body recomp, I did not want to cut. I started at 205 and ended up at a much leaner 200.
You will easily lose weight at first mostly because it is hard to eat the same amount of calories without carbs and also loss of water retention.
Pros:
_You can peak 2-3 days after your carb up. For me it was Wedneday and I destroyed a lot of PRs on that day.
_No muscle loss and maintained strength
Cons:
_The weekends were HELL. Lethargic feeling. Not good if you workout on weekends (in fact you are not supposed to). Hard to eat clean sources of carbs without protein. the weekends were supposed to be a relaxing everything goes days. But for the diet to work you need to ingest LARGE amounts of clean carbs.
_Almonds and nuts are prohibited because they contain carbs. You cannot eat fruits daily which is NOT healthy
Overall I feel it is an outdated diet. I feel if you start with Paleo diet and adjust carbs (cycling) as needed then you will be more pleased with both short and long terms results.
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Outdated? LOL You are obviously a trendy fellow.
You are the only human being I’ve ever heard say that the weekends were hell. You are just supposed to eat what you want, how is that hellish? Its just a mixed diet. Pizza and ice cream is very hard to do.
There is no reason to think that eating “fruits” is necessary to health. That completely silly. What do you get from fruit nutrient-wise that you cannot get from other sources? Nothing.
Nuts are not fucking prohibited. You can have 30 g of carbs…spend them any way you want. As a matter of a fact, in his sample diets he has almonds listed as a snack.
If you were so “lethargic” on the weekend, why didn’t you take a look at what you were eating and adjust to choices that DIDN’T make you lethargic? You are supposed to have a functional brain.
Whats absurd about the food choices? I migrated away from processed meats on the diet because of the nitrites which were making me feel bad. The saturated fats included in the diet arre certainly not absurd though.
There is also another mechanism at work, the science shows, that is responsible for you eating less caloric load on the low carb days versus the high carb days. It isn’t simply that you are “tired of meat.”
I take issue with you telling this fellow he’d be “better off” carb cycling and doing “paleo” than with the AD. How the hell do you know he’ll be better off? I have used the AD for the most part of 15 years, as have a lot of guys. I have been on the body-building stage using it. I have bulked up using it. You seem to jump to a whole lot of conclusions for folks.
[/quote]
All hail the DH!
Haha, seriously man I read the other thread you did on the AD. The information you gave out was great and you look like a tank in the pictures that were up.
3 days in, no crash yet but feeling seriously weak. Like the BB just feels heavy, persist I shall!
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]silvatomas wrote:
[quote]MAF14 wrote:
[quote]silvatomas wrote:
Hi!
I need some help from you guys.
I’m starting the AD but i’m having a bit of trouble believing how much calories i need to eat
I’m 5’9/10 and 244lb or 179cm and 111kg.
Kinda fatty, yes
But should i start the AD with like 18xmy weight in lb’s ?!
That’s like 4392calories :o
Can you guys give me a help ? On the other hand the Cunningham (or whatever it’s called :D) formula said something on the rounds of 3750 so i was thinking of starting the AD on 3600cals.
What do you guys think ?[/quote]
IME, those calculators are never accurate… i assume you’re trying to lose fat with the AD?
if so, i would just start by keeping your cals the same for now and switch to the AD style of eating for a couple weeks and see if its for you or not (i.e. you dont crash without carbs)
how many cals are you eating now? are you bulking still? are you transitioning into fat loss? the more info you give the better…[/quote]
Hi!
Thanks for the reply!
To be honest i haven’t dieted for a long time so i haven’t been controlling how much i eat lately.
I want to lose fat, shred everything i gained back after 2 years of doing nothing
The calculators as i said point to 3700cals but i’m afraid that will be too much and i start gaining fat/weight fast…
Maybe i should start around 3300cal ? What do you think ?
Cheers![/quote]
if i were in your position i would start at 3250 cals per day, and have 1 carb up day per week. you can toy with the set up to see how your body reacts obviously…
i assume you are lifting HEAVY 4 or 5 times a week now?[/quote]
More like 3 times with cardio (low intensity, climbing)…
So should i do the 3250 or lower even ?
Cheers!
Hang in there. Its likely gonna get a bit rough for the next 2-4 days. I thought I was freakin dying after day 4 or so. Felt small and my whole body was burning.
It will pass. This is where people either give up or break through.
I’ve got a guy at work doing this (we have much smaller loads as he doesn’t resistance train) who has lost 130 lbs since Sept 2010. Thats about 8.5 months to go from 403 down to 269.
Now about 12 more people have hit me up as well. I must admit, working with women on this often drives me nuts. They are SO brainwashed about fat and they are often subject to emotional eating…
DH
[quote]Oregand wrote:
All hail the DH!
Haha, seriously man I read the other thread you did on the AD. The information you gave out was great and you look like a tank in the pictures that were up.
3 days in, no crash yet but feeling seriously weak. Like the BB just feels heavy, persist I shall![/quote]